Trade Thread, Part 3: The Fun Continues

CelticFaninLBC · Post #301 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:36 pm

Is best to keep the picks, if all they can get is a rental.

They need to use the picks on guys locked up for next year like Covington...

Celts17Pride · Post #302 » by **Celts17Pride** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:51 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:Is best to keep the picks, if all they can get is a rental.

They need to use the picks on guys locked up for next year like Covington...

or expiring contracts with Bird rights and you plan on resigning the player (less likely).

Post #303 » by **djFan71** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:57 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:With the above said:

Langford, Poirier, Semi and BOS20 for Covington!

Financially, we could also take back Naz Reid - MIN would have to waive guys anyways on the 3 for 1. And we'd still have a buyout slot.

Curmudgeon · Post #304 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:58 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:I do, said nothing on us.

Only possibly related info was Pistons asking for a lotto 1st for DRose.

The Pistons won't get a lotto first for Rose. Rebuilding teams have no interest in him. The contenders do, but no contender has a lotto first, except possibly Boston, if Memphis stumbles and a team like the Spurs sneaks into the 8th seed, or OKC, which already has CP3 and Schroeder at the same position.

Curmudgeon · Post #305 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:03 pm

sully00 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:I would trade Langford, Poirier (cap fodder) and Boston's first rounder for Derrick Rose in a heartbeat. One of the contending teams is going to get Rose, and it should be us.

The problem with investing anything serious in Rose is that he has played over 60 games twice in the last 9 seasons and that was 3 years ago. So even if you took the most optimistic view of it and said he could play his max of 66 games he is already at 42 this season. I would like to roll the dice on the guy but I can't expect Boston to give up a 1st round pick for a guy that I don't think will be healthy for the playoffs.

We don't need Rose to play 35 minutes a game. We need him to play 20 minutes a game instead of Wanamaker, to add some scoring punch to the second unit. Plus Rose is signed through 2021 for very reasonable money. Sure, Langord could blow up, but I'll take a real shot at a championship in exchange for a guy who has spent half his time injured or in the D-league.

Romeiro Celtic · Post #306 » by **Romeiro Celtic** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:04 pm

I wonder what it would take for us to get Nerlens Noel, he's been playing really well for OKC. I've read somewhere it would cost Robert Williams.

Curmudgeon · Post #307 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:10 pm

If Robert Williams is healthy he's better than Nerlins Noel, and if he isn't, the Thunder aren't going to trade Noel for him.

Curmudgeon · Post #308 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:12 pm

If Robert Williams is healthy he's better than Nerlins Noel, and if he isn't, the Thunder aren't going to trade Noel for him. But if you want local talent, I wouldn't mind trading for Georges Niang, who was the captain of Noel's high school team (at the Tilton School).

Post #309 » by **Feed Your Head** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:14 pm

Romeiro Celtic wrote:I wonder what it would take for us to get Nerlens Noel, he's been playing really well for OKC. I've read somewhere it would cost Robert Williams.

I doubt Noel will ever be an option, it's pretty well known that him living in this area around his....not so good influences, won't end well.

Post #310 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:45 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:In my opinion I think it's a very bad move to trade Romeo Langford before you fully know what you have in the player. Langford has shown some small signs that he could be a big time player. I wouldn't move Langford right now unless it was part of a package for a big time player.

Don't need to repeat the "Joe Johnson and Chauncey Billups mistakes" from years ago.

Those dudes have shown a hell of a lot more than Romeo.

I believe that Romeo will be a good player one day. I just dont see where he’s going to get the minutes to play and develop here. Theres a very real chance his value only declines from this point onward.

Romeo has played 13 games in the NBA and 7 games in the G League. I mean come on.

Yup, and those guys played in every game and showed more. Cant pretend that not playing isnt a bad sign

Fencer reregistered · Post #311 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:32 pm

One deal idea that would make sense is to try for a Poirier upgrade. They thought they had a role for Poirier before the season started. Since then, Theis has played very well but seems best in low-20s minutes; something similar is true of Kanter but perhaps in even a few minutes less; Rob Williams has had trouble staying on the court; and Grant Williams, while on the whole playing nicely, hasn't had a late growth spurt.

And by the way, numerous good teams can play lineups with two bigs, including the Lakers, Bucks, Sixers, and Pacers. If everybody's healthy we can throw a four-perimeter-player lineup at them and try to make our favorable mismatches count for more than our unfavorable ones. But if somebody's hurt, maybe we should be able to adapt to the opponents.

Curmudgeon · Post #312 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 12:03 am

So, what Poirier upgrade do you have in mind and what's the cost?

Homerclease · Post #313 » by **Homerclease** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 12:25 am

Curmudgeon wrote:I would trade Langford, Poirier (cap fodder) and Boston's first rounder for Derrick Rose in a heartbeat. One of the contending teams is going to get Rose, and it should be us.

I agree that we should be targeting Rose but I think this is too much. Upgrading from Wanamaker has to be the top priority at the trade deadline if the Celtics desire to make a move

Homerclease · Post #314 » by **Homerclease** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 12:26 am

Curmudgeon wrote:So, what Poirier upgrade do you have in mind and what's the cost?

Robert Williams, no cost required

Post #315 » by **Darth Celtic** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 12:36 am

Homerclease wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:I would trade Langford, Poirier (cap fodder) and Boston's first rounder for Derrick Rose in a heartbeat. One of the contending teams is going to get Rose, and it should be us.

I agree that we should be targeting Rose but I think this is too much. Upgrading from Wanamaker has to be the top priority at the trade deadline if the Celtics desire to make a move

If they really wanted to upgrade from wanamaker, they can cut him and sign waters. The problem is we will need exception room to give him a bigger than min contract, and he'll need it. So, the offseason.

Homerclease · Post #316 » by **Homerclease** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 12:41 am

Darth Celtic wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:I would trade Langford, Poirier (cap fodder) and Boston's first rounder for Derrick Rose in a heartbeat. One of the contending teams is going to get Rose, and it should be us.

I agree that we should be targeting Rose but I think this is too much. Upgrading from Wanamaker has to be the top priority at the trade deadline if the Celtics desire to make a move

If they really wanted to upgrade from wanamaker, they can cut him and sign waters. The problem is we will need exception room to give him a bigger than min contract, and he'll need it. So, the offseason.

Hence why Waters isn’t an option. We know he’s getting the Semi 4 year deal next year. They aren’t promoting him off the two way this season

Celts17Pride · Post #317 » by **Celts17Pride** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 12:45 am

Read on Twitter

Interesting that Detroit has to attach something good in order to get a team interested in trading for Drummond. I thought Drummond was a max player? Hmmm!!!

Andrew McCeltic · Post #318 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 1:01 am

100proof wrote:
Wes-J wrote:Langford, had it not been for injury, could of been a top 5 pick. Very skilled athlete still looks very promising.

Seriously doubt Ainge is going to involve him in any trades that net us just a role player.

Kwame brown was a number 1 pick.
Andeea bargnani was a number 1 pick
Hasheem thabeet a number 2 pick
Darko milicic
Etc

Draft choice spot is not a determining factor in a players value

Kind of.. but I forgot that Langford was so highly ranked out of high school, had his shot go south, *and* had it go south partly because of a hand (thumb?) injury.

He and Rob Williams may both be “steals” two drafts in a row. Doctor When was a legitimate lotto pick who dropped out of, I guess, bad buzz, but he’s nearly shed that reputation completely.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #319 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 1:05 am

Banks2Pierce wrote:Feel like you can infer from some of the Scal comments that Ainge still likes Romeo and he has barely played so he's super unlikely to be moved since his value will be low around the league. Think we'd only move him in a blockbuster or if he's showing a James Young work ethic behind the scenes. I kind of doubt that based on how his body looks.

Thought a line from Bulpett a couple weeks ago saying that Vinnie P was pretty good in practice was fairly interesting and implied that he may be a bit better than his garbage time appearances.

Tend to think Drummond is better than he's given credit for around here. I don't like his Embiid history, but I like Theis's even less.

Oh I think Poirier’s decent - my impression from his garbage time minutes is that he’s just a beat slow and off in his timing because he hasn’t played in the NBA - he could be a viable backup center next year. Remember it took Theis some time to get on track as a rookie, before he was injured. And that was with more minutes.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #320 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 1:15 am

I know my problem is that I’ll back young players for too long - still waiting for Ben Mclemore to put it together - but that patience and optimism has probably been vindicated more often than it’s been proven wrong..

Langford has a great physical profile, but the one thing he’s shown even in limited minutes is an intuitive sense of offensive awareness and timing headed to the rim. The only rookie we’ve had to show anything like that is Tatum.