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Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4)

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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#301 » by dlamb8888888 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:20 am

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djFan71 wrote:We needed a bench and some vets. Heat played great, they seized the opportunity at the deadline and went for it. Danny still trying to straddle win now and win later. Works great for these ECF runs. He'll need to commit at some point to get any further.



I just don't get how u can just allow a team to go on those types of huge scoring runs and call one timeout late. spo called one every time we had any momentum. pop will call one and tell his good players a piece of his mind! u gotta know ur players, we always get a run put on us during CBS' tenure and we NEVER are equipped to stop them!!! I mean big lead or small one, we never hear him just go in or sit his players. he did it once that I can remember then he let crowded and IT4 basically punk him to never do it again!


Same, I don't know what the point of saving your TOs. We were only down 6 and the team starts jacking 3s and playing **** D.



Stevens allowed the Bucks to score 20 unanswered points in last year's playoffs without calling timeout. I cannot have faith in a coach who would ever do that.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#302 » by Triple7 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:21 am

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Brad is a loyal to his guys. Theis and Hayward didn’t have it tonight but he was damn well going to stick with them regardless.

Say what you will about doc, but he kept the players accountable for terrible shots.


Did you just watch what happened to them against the Nuggets? They lost game 7 the same way we did tonight but with Kawhi and PG shooting brick after brick. Doc is **** awful.


I don’t want any part of Doc ever again. That ship has sailed along with IT. We need a coach that our players can respect and follow. G.will was doing fine putting his body on Bam, and Stevens just needed to insert his guy Theis, and ruining everything. That straight up dunk from Bam coming the outside was just nasty. It’s like Theis wasn’t even there.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#303 » by darylbe » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:21 am

StojkoVrankovic wrote:bring back Rondo as a back up or the coaching staff

not serious


How bout we draft rondo 2.0 and send kemba down river in a barrell
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#304 » by return2glory » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:22 am

It was a fun season. Loved the bubble. It was a lot better than not having any basketball.

The funny thing about being a fan is that fans seem to think they have all the answers after their teams have been eliminated from the playoffs.

The GM needs to go, the coach needs to be fired. Player x needs to be traded. We need to draft this player, trade for this player, etc

Majority of fans say things like this.

29 teams and fans of 29 teams will go home unhappy. It’s just the way it is. As for the Celtic fans that want Danny and/or Brad gone, there are only a few GMs and coaches that are better and those guys aren’t going anywhere.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#305 » by DarkAzcura » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:23 am

I think I would finally like to see our first round picks traded for some bench help. If the idea is to keep the 4-5 guys around as our 35-38 MPG guys in the playoffs for the next 2-3 years, we really need to add some vets to the bench with leadership. Feel like I sound like Kyrie last year, lol. 3 first round picks should be able to get us 2-3 solid bench guys. Tired of the rookie contract guys. I say that, but man, we were one pick away from Herro, who would had been perfect for us. It is what it is.

Fun season, though. Much better than last. Still do see some shades of last year’s team in terms of taking really dumb shots, but it’s much improved.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#306 » by threrf23 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:24 am

Another slow start. We got away with it game 5, not twice in a row tho. You would think we would have figured that out by now.

I know we hung with the Heat early, but they were missing shots they typically hit, if we came out in the first quarter with a plan, like we cared, we could have easily opened a ten point lead. Would have changed the entire trajectory of the game, and we probably would have won.

I put this on Brad. There were things he could have done about this all season, and he should have been prepared to do something come elimination games. You can alter the starting lineup so it is more physical, more energetic, or so that roles become better defined. You can draw up plays to help establish initial momentum on a player by player basis. You can simplify your offensive scheme in the early minutes. Etcetera.

We let Bam score 32 points on 11-15 shooting. 32 points was the most he scored in a game all season. Most baskets easy baskets. This exploit was on display as early as the first half game 1 and it was obvious that the Heat would go to it more and more as they felt they needed to go in for the kill, and it was especially obvious this was going to happen tonight after Bam came out after game 5 taking blame for the game 5 loss. Yet if we did anything new to try and stop Bam, I didn't notice it. I put that on Brad all the way.

I found this especially disappointing, considering that Bam is not a guy who will usually make you pay if you leave him wide open away from the basket. All we needed to do was scheme to make it challenging for Bam to get in the paint without committing a charge.

I'm not gonna pile on Tatum cause he's a warrior and even on a complete off night like tonight he finished with 24/7/11. He has earned special treatment and if any of his teammates don't recognize that, I'm happy to see them traded. I do worry a little bit about the advice he might have been given by Kyrie (establish your dominance by jacking shots even when they are not falling, and by showing your teammates how useless they are when your shot isn't falling?).

Jaylen impressed me this series, constantly composed, often made big shots where it felt like we were about to let a game slip away. He has not only grown as a player, but has matured noticeably IMO, I'd almost say he is becoming a leader. Jaylen's future is bright - and I don't mean that as a dig. I would have meant that as a dig not long ago.

Hot take I will probably come to regret: I think we win this series without Marcus Smart, and I think this series shows us why we need to trade Marcus in the offseason. Note that I have never before called for trading Marcus Smart.

This series was characterized by Heat runs, which often began immediately after Smart broke our offensive rhythm by taking a bad shot, or otherwise playing hero ball. In particular, there were a number of times he forced shots instead of passing to an open Jaylen. I love the passion that Marcus always plays with, but I have begun to wonder whether he is passionate about the Celtics or passionate about his ego. He needs to realize that if he simply plays to his strengths and lets his teammates do everything else, he will be a hero, that's who he is. When he tries to be a hero, it's just an easy giveaway that he's not one.

What makes the Heat so good? For one, they're balanced. They have good ballhandlers and elite shot makers (Robinson, Herro, maybe Dragic), elite wing defense (Butler, maybe Iggy), a strong front court presence on both ends (Bam).

Perhaps most importantly though, they are mentally strong, and they have a bunch of guys who consistently play the game the right way. And they have a coach who promotes playing the game the right way. We have two players who consistently play the game the right way - Hayward and Grant Williams. Maybe you can add Theis to the list. Our other guys are okay, not so selfish...with the exception of Smart. And the problem is, selfishness is contagious and bad shots break rhythm.

Smart's offensive skills continue to grow, but I think maybe he peaked as a player a season ago. He said after last season he felt he wasn't aggressive enough, which I now interpret as "I'm sick of buying into the team concept." In fairness, maybe Kyrie got to him. But he has always been like that.

This season btw, regular season, we were 34-5 when Marcus' usage % was 19% or lower, versus 8-16 when his usage % was above 19%. We were 0-2 when he hit more than five threes, and 4-5 when he hit at least five threes. Postseason, we were 0-3 when his usage % was higher than 23, 1-4 when it was higher than 22, versus 5-0 when it was lower than 17. We were 6-0 when he took less than six threes.

It seems like ages ago, but early in the season there were a couple of occasions where he nearly cost us victories due to bonehead or otherwise dirty plays in the final seconds.

And I know he has made so many winning plays to make up for those things, but we need front court help, Marcus Smart's trade value is as high as ever, the Jays are as skilled defensively as ever, Grant gives us another physical defender...if we trade Marcus, in the right deal, we can achieve better balance and get rid of our offense's achilles heal without leaving major voids.

Gordo & Kemba are taking heat, but to be clear this is just who they are I think. Statistically, Gordo has never shot well in clutch situations. Regarding Kemba, I'm not sure of the stats, but when I looked over threads on the Hornets board after we signed him, I often read that Kemba crumbled in the clutch.

Otherwise, I guess I just want to thank our guys for retreating from the outside world for a few months, and committing to basketball in the bubble. It was a fun ride despite the disappointing end. A guy like Gordo made rather public sacrifices for the team, but everyone likely made sacrifices that went unnoticed.

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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#307 » by Saint Lazarus » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:25 am

The Comedian wrote:We should have a poll to decide which player should take over for Danny.


My vote is for Tacko and Grant. Grant can bring his NASA mom to be assistant GM. Celtics win 15 straight championships and the league folds.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#309 » by Triple7 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:26 am

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djFan71 wrote:We needed a bench and some vets. Heat played great, they seized the opportunity at the deadline and went for it. Danny still trying to straddle win now and win later. Works great for these ECF runs. He'll need to commit at some point to get any further.



I just don't get how u can just allow a team to go on those types of huge scoring runs and call one timeout late. spo called one every time we had any momentum. pop will call one and tell his good players a piece of his mind! u gotta know ur players, we always get a run put on us during CBS' tenure and we NEVER are equipped to stop them!!! I mean big lead or small one, we never hear him just go in or sit his players. he did it once that I can remember then he let crowded and IT4 basically punk him to never do it again!


Same, I don't know what the point of saving your TOs. We were only down 6 and the team starts jacking 3s and playing **** D.


Exactly! We were down 6, with over 4mins remaining, and we act like some desperate fools chucking up 3’s. Stevens should have called a timeout, even if we are up, if he sees something he doesn’t like. I have even seen Pop call two timeouts in 1 min just to call out his players, and let them have it, if he sees something. Down 6 with so much time remaining, and we panic lol!
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#310 » by Higgs Boston » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:27 am

in game seven against Cleveland two years ago stevens also let them shoot 3s like there is no tomorrow. How many years people need to see it? you can win or lose but you can't make the same mistakes and win consistently in the playoffs, he isn't a championship coach.
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Post#311 » by StojkoVrankovic » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:27 am

get Tatum to sign that contract ASAP
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#312 » by StojkoVrankovic » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:28 am

Higgs Boston wrote:in game seven against Cleveland two years ago stevens also let them shoot 3s like there is no tomorrow. How many years people need to see it? you can win or lose but you can't make the same mistakes and win consistently in the playoffs, he isn't a championship coach.

teams this young rarely win anything
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#313 » by Fencer reregistered » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:28 am

BigTrade92 wrote:Ainge just needs to go.

Let Zarren take a stab at the things.

17 years and only 1 title. Enough is enough.


The Celtics in that time period have been outperformed by the Lakers, Warriors, Spurs, Cavs, Heat ... and who else?

And by the way, 3 of those 5 teams had a clear geographical advantage (Cleveland solely because of its appeal to one guy who was born in Akron). 4 of the 5 benefitted from having Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, or Lebron James.

The Warriors are the exception who had no better access to players than Ainge. Yes, drafting Curry is a great opportunity, but Ainge had the chance to draft Giannis, who definitely is comparable, and Tatum, who may yet turn out to be.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#314 » by Shak_Celts » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:30 am

Festurs wrote:The problem with kemba walker is coaching and personnel. Brad Stevens has shown 0 ability to utilize multiple good players. Walker is effectively taken out of the game when he gets a shot here or there instead being featured. Maybe we’re right to force feed the young studs but an elite offensive weapon goes to waste on this team when he is the third option. Or fourth when Marcus decides to be a chucker.



i don't care which one of miami's players got hot, they kept getting the ball until we stopped them. possession after possession and game after game, they let their hot man shoot until he couldn't hit a shot, every time. look how they kept giving it to trash shooter iggy. if herro was hot they fed and fed him. fed bam to death! robinson when he was hot and open. Cs get hot and if it's time for them to sit in CBS' schedule, they are going to sit! it doesn't matter what works, if it doesn't fit the pre-game plan it won't be forced into it! he never really says keep going to this shooter, he's on tonight or right now. the one player who will always keep shooting when he gets hot is smart and that's all from inside of him. how do u not go to the guys and say KEEP FEEDING JB, they haven't found a way to stop him this series when we go to him? why don't you say theis YOU MUST shoot it when you're wide open, no matter how many times you miss, either that or sit over here with me.

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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#315 » by Higgs Boston » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:30 am

StojkoVrankovic wrote:
Higgs Boston wrote:in game seven against Cleveland two years ago stevens also let them shoot 3s like there is no tomorrow. How many years people need to see it? you can win or lose but you can't make the same mistakes and win consistently in the playoffs, he isn't a championship coach.

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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#316 » by Feed Your Head » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:32 am

I’m not even mad at the team, or Brad, or Danny.

I’m just bummed that we have no Celtics basketball for a long ass time, they have been such a nice distraction for me.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#317 » by MagicBagley18 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:33 am

The Comedian wrote:I’m not even mad at the team, or Brad, or Danny.

I’m just bummed that we have no Celtics basketball for a long ass time.


That part blowsssss.........
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#318 » by MagicBagley18 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:34 am

Be nice to add a knock down deadly shooter to this team. We saw what chasing Robinson around screens does and how demoralizing it can be defensively.

Doesn’t necessarily even need to be a guard but just a bonafide knockdown don’t leave him open where is he on the floor at all times shooter. Latvian lazer would have been nice but there’s other options
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#319 » by nic4747 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:36 am

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I just don't get how u can just allow a team to go on those types of huge scoring runs and call one timeout late. spo called one every time we had any momentum. pop will call one and tell his good players a piece of his mind! u gotta know ur players, we always get a run put on us during CBS' tenure and we NEVER are equipped to stop them!!! I mean big lead or small one, we never hear him just go in or sit his players. he did it once that I can remember then he let crowded and IT4 basically punk him to never do it again!


Same, I don't know what the point of saving your TOs. We were only down 6 and the team starts jacking 3s and playing **** D.


Exactly! We were down 6, with over 4mins remaining, and we act like some desperate fools chucking up 3’s. Stevens should have called a timeout, even if we are up, if he sees something he doesn’t like. I have even seen Pop call two timeouts in 1 min just to call out his players, and let them have it, if he sees something. Down 6 with so much time remaining, and we panic lol!


I was screaming at my TV. What makes it so mind bogglingly frustrating is that they had so much success being aggressive and driving to the paint. I don’t understand why they reverted back to jump shooting at such a critical point.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 113, MIA 125 (2-4) 

Post#320 » by meatball sub » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:38 am

We need a bench & Brad needs to start Rob Williams from Game 1 next season. If we’re going to win in the playoffs we’ll need to be able to play with an athletic big man to match up with teams that have them. If Rob were ready to play he could’ve shut down Bam but he’s still making mistakes bc he wasn’t allowed to make them during the season when he wasn't hurt.

Theis is a bench player, not a starting center.

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