It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread

[JediMasterRevan]

Kemba sucks and will not look good on this team until he at least comes off the bench

Dude was third team all nba two years ago. All star before hurt, and hasn't played well.

That was a really bad selection and it was panned at the time. He made it over Klay Thompson. I am no huge Klay fan but he at least twice as good as Kemba. Other players better as well.

Kemba was a really bad signing. You only pay a few short PGs the max entering their 30's and perhaps the only weak defender at PG under 6"2 I would consider paying the max entering his 30's was Steve Nash. Chris Paul decent defender entering his 30's for a PG... The previous knee surgeries is why is was truly a disastrous signing. Celtics should take their chances on players with shaky health if the upside is worth the downside. With Kemba it clearly wasn't.

I am so opposed to paying most 1 way PGs the max that I must admit unless I knew he could bring KD to the Celtics, I would let Kyrie Irving walk as well if the Celtics didn't already have a great big man at least which the team doesn't. Kyrie has his own health concerns. It is one thing to take your chances on these players from 22-28 when they have health issues but later on it can just be a ticking time bomb.

Kemba didn't have to decline much to be an average starting PG in the NBA that is a poor fit with the Celtics. Do you really want to be playing such a player the max?

I wa.ted brogdon or just to pass the pg spot to smart for the year.

Hated the kemba signing, say it for what it was, danny trying to save face.

Kemba is not a playmaker
Kemba is not a defender
Kemba is small
Kemba was getting older and was reliant on speed

Nothing about kemba made/makes him a good fit with the jays.

6th man is the onpy successful role he can have on this team. If both he and fournier start pur offense will be stagnant, fournier numbers will drop and 9ur defense will be atrocious.

[Ben-N1ce]

They should be starting Fournier. This team gets in the hole fast all the time. They wait to get punched in the face then realize there is a game. It's been infuriating all year.

[soxfan2003]

A less talented roster than this made the ECF last year which is why it's frustrating how bad they are this year. I think Fournier will really help spacing and taking pressure off of Brown and Tatum specifically.

Celtics are so easy to gameplan for because teams just load up on JB and JT and dare everyone else to beat them (which they can't)

Regular season Gordon Hayward was a huge reason why the Celtics got a favorable seed last year. Without that seed, maybe Celtics bounced in round 1.

Not so sure last years team minus Hayward was less talented when we are focusing on developed talent. Kanter and TT have both disappointed in their NBA careers but I am pretty sure Kanter was selected higher in the draft. I actually think Kanter used correctly is probably better than this years version of TT. Kanter for all of his faults moving on defense is a good post up scorer and good offensive rebounder.

The path the Celtics faced to the EC Finals last year was a joke as well. The east is still bad overall but the top 3-4 teams this year will all be respectable by playoff time.

Philly wasn't nearly as good as they have been this year and they were without Ben Simmons who missed the entire series. They desperately needed Simmons last season to compete in a playoff series vs a good team like the Celtics.

Toronto? Just look at them this year. They are trying to go into rebuild mode. Last year's team had Siakam playing mediocre in the bubble and was without Kahwi Leonard. Gasol missed too many wide open shots. With Siakam missing 3's left and right, not a huge accomplishment to beat that team in 7. Lowry was really good but after that Toronto didn't have that much besides cohesion/grit/experience and Raptors didn't have their fans to cheer them on....

The Heat were a very good team and deserved to be in a conference finals but just not a team that usually is good enough to make the NBA finals. Miami made the finals since the EC was weak/Hayward got hurt and they were truly a very good team. Celtics only kept it relatively close since Gordon Hayward came back. Without Hayward in that series, it is probably over in 4 or 5 instead of 6. Hayward wasn't his normal self but still gave Celtics a boost.

And its fair to say that Celtics team had better chemistry and the PG off the bench in Brad Wanamaker played well. Kemba was obviously better in regular season than he has been this one.

If this years Celtics team played last years 76ers team that was missing Ben Simmons in the first round, maybe they could beat them again but chances are the Celtics are losing in round 1 to either Nets/76ers/Bucks/Heat unless their opponent suffers a key injury.

[ryaningf]

This is actually a fantastic series of moves, and Zarren should be applauded. These moves, while also being a symbol of admitting mistakes, is a huge step in the right direction to rectifying them.

Avoiding repeater tax, and recouping some productivity AND the ability to sign another player with bird rights totally is a huge deal for a depleted team like ours.

I fully expect Danny to resign Fournier long term.

Thank you Zarren for this personnel

Successfully throwing water on the fire you started is the definition of mediocrity not an excuse to celebrate.

The hallmark of the managerial class is framing the act of cleaning up your own mess as a form of success, while also perpetuating the status quo and ingratiating yourself into the fabric of mediocrity. Welcome to the treadmill my fellow gerbils.

Acquiring another big that compliments rwIII or is better than him is next priority, has to feel like long term, no?

For me, ideally getting a center sized stretch 5 and a guy long but athletic enough to play alongside him and cover up his mistakes would be ideal in the short term. I'd have loved to grab Covington. Another good communicator out there with him and enough strength to push with centers on switches.

Also depends where you see Tatum's best fit, playing more at the 4 or 3. I know we're all about position-less ball now, but, I don't know that I like the matchup against Giannis, Durant, LeBron, or Simmons.

The droid you're looking for is Aaron Gordon. Orlando did to him what Pitino wanted to do to Ben Wallace, and it speaks to Aaron's skill level that he was a pseudo-All Star playing mostly out of position at the 3.

In the right system under the right coach, Gordon as a full time 5 man is a DPOY-caliber and all-nba player in the Bam mold. Do we have that system and that coach? No, we do not. Still I woulda given up 2 FRPs just to see if Brad coulda stumbled ass-backwards into it by accident. The tiny potential of Brad "coaching him up" into a max level player is the kind of "problem" this team coulda used, yet some want to pose this as part of why trading a more limited player is somehow preferable. Yes, we do not deserve nice things, so let's pass up a 10% chance of acquiring a 3rd star we need at a position of need for 50 cents on the dollar and justify it by pointing to the 80% chance of retaining a non-star on a market level deal.

Tatum is an all-nba talent at 4 and a borderline all-star at 3 and until we set a rotation that recognizes this we will flounder. Fourney probably pushes Tatum more to the 4 more often, and that's nice, but having a coach who could understand this without being prompted is even nicer.

[Andrew McCeltic]

https://theathletic.com/2477686/2021/03/25/celtics-trade-for-evan-fournier-daniel-theis-salary-dump-keep-boston-stuck-in-middle-of-road/?source=emp_shared_article

Anyone read this?

[keevsnick1]

https://theathletic.com/2477686/2021/03/25/celtics-trade-for-evan-fournier-daniel-theis-salary-dump-keep-boston-stuck-in-middle-of-road/?source=emp_shared_article

Anyone read this?

Well it did make me feel better about Fournier's defense.

[sully00]

Ainge has already said Timelord can’t handle more than 25 minutes consistently. This doesn’t suddenly make him a 30 MPG starter lol

Can you link me this quote?

https://985thesportshub.com/2021/03/18/danny-ainge-explains-robert-williams-limited-minutes-on-toucher-rich/

But they have talked about how the plan was for this to expand after the All Star Break.

[sully00]

This is actually a fantastic series of moves, and Zarren should be applauded. These moves, while also being a symbol of admitting mistakes, is a huge step in the right direction to rectifying them.

Avoiding repeater tax, and recouping some productivity AND the ability to sign another player with bird rights totally is a huge deal for a depleted team like ours.

I fully expect Danny to resign Fournier long term.

Thank you Zarren for this personnel

Successfully throwing water on the fire you started is the definition of mediocrity not an excuse to celebrate.

The hallmark of the managerial class is framing the act of cleaning up your own mess as a form of success, while also perpetuating the status quo and ingratiating yourself into the fabric of mediocrity. Welcome to the treadmill my fellow gerbils.

Acquiring another big that compliments rwIII or is better than him is next priority, has to feel like long term, no?

For me, ideally getting a center sized stretch 5 and a guy long but athletic enough to play alongside him and cover up his mistakes would be ideal in the short term. I'd have loved to grab Covington. Another good communicator out there with him and enough strength to push with centers on switches.

Also depends where you see Tatum's best fit, playing more at the 4 or 3. I know we're all about position-less ball now, but, I don't know that I like the matchup against Giannis, Durant, LeBron, or Simmons.

The droid you're looking for is Aaron Gordon. Orlando did to him what Pitino wanted to do to Ben Wallace, and it speaks to Aaron's skill level that he was a pseudo-All Star playing mostly out of position at the 3.

In the right system under the right coach, Gordon as a full time 5 man is a DPOY-caliber and all-nba player in the Bam mold. Do we have that system and that coach? No, we do not. Still I woulda given up 2 FRPs just to see if Brad coulda stumbled ass-backwards into it by accident. The tiny potential of Brad "coaching him up" into a max level player is the kind of "problem" this team coulda used, yet some want to pose this as part of why trading a more limited player is somehow preferable. Yes, we do not deserve nice things, so let's pass up a 10% chance of acquiring a 3rd star we need at a position of need for 50 cents on the dollar and justify it by pointing to the 80% chance of retaining a non-star on a market level deal.

Tatum is an all-nba talent at 4 and a borderline all-star at 3 and until we set a rotation that recognizes this we will flounder. Fourney probably pushes Tatum more to the 4 more often, and that's nice, but having a coach who could understand this without being prompted is even nicer.

I like Gordon but no way can he play the 5, I guess he can Jeff Green plays the 5 right but no way you want him trying hold down the 5 spot the way he rebounds.

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[JediMasterRevan]

Wooo. Drummond or aldridge?

Wow


Championships!!!!

[darrendaye]

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So, back to square one with three guys fighting for two spots.

[Darth Celtic]

Wooo. Drummond or aldridge?

Wow


Championships!!!!

as old and terrible as Aldridge is, he still dropped 20 on us this year on near 60% shooting in just 28 mins. Our big man defense has been really, really bad.

[SmartWentCrazy]

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Guessing we stretch it to free up another ~1.5M

[sully00]

Kemba sucks and will not look good on this team until he at least comes off the bench

Dude was third team all nba two years ago. All star before hurt, and hasn't played well.

That was a really bad selection and it was panned at the time. He made it over Klay Thompson. I am no huge Klay fan but he at least twice as good as Kemba. Other players better as well.

Kemba was a really bad signing. You only pay a few short PGs the max entering their 30's and perhaps the only weak defender at PG under 6"2 I would consider paying the max entering his 30's was Steve Nash. Chris Paul decent defender entering his 30's for a PG... The previous knee surgeries is why is was truly a disastrous signing. Celtics should take their chances on players with shaky health if the upside is worth the downside. With Kemba it clearly wasn't.

I am so opposed to paying most 1 way PGs the max that I must admit unless I knew he could bring KD to the Celtics, I would let Kyrie Irving walk as well if the Celtics didn't already have a great big man at least which the team doesn't. Kyrie has his own health concerns. It is one thing to take your chances on these players from 22-28 when they have health issues but later on it can just be a ticking time bomb.

Kemba didn't have to decline much to be an average starting PG in the NBA that is a poor fit with the Celtics. Do you really want to be playing such a player the max?

Kemba is pretty much back to being Kemba. I know everyone wants to blame Walker for the breakdown on defense but folks this team had dominant defenses with IT it ain't about the PG position. Would I rather pay another guy max dollars sure but I think Kemba is going to give you what you paid him for the rest of the season and probably next season. Hopefully Fournier can take some of the pressure off Walker, Tatum, and Brown so that your not relying on first and second year players to cover a slow half.

[JediMasterRevan]

Wooo. Drummond or aldridge?

Wow


Championships!!!!

as old and terrible as Aldridge is, he still dropped 20 on us this year on near 60% shooting in just 28 mins. Our big man defense has been really, really bad.

Neither aldridge, drummond, wagner, kornet is going to fix front court defense

[djFan71]

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Guessing we stretch it to free up another ~1.5M

Pretty smart, if that gets the guy you want to pick us.

[playa-hater]

any rumor of what Boston actually offered for AG??

[djFan71]

Dude was third team all nba two years ago. All star before hurt, and hasn't played well.

That was a really bad selection and it was panned at the time. He made it over Klay Thompson. I am no huge Klay fan but he at least twice as good as Kemba. Other players better as well.

Kemba was a really bad signing. You only pay a few short PGs the max entering their 30's and perhaps the only weak defender at PG under 6"2 I would consider paying the max entering his 30's was Steve Nash. Chris Paul decent defender entering his 30's for a PG... The previous knee surgeries is why is was truly a disastrous signing. Celtics should take their chances on players with shaky health if the upside is worth the downside. With Kemba it clearly wasn't.

I am so opposed to paying most 1 way PGs the max that I must admit unless I knew he could bring KD to the Celtics, I would let Kyrie Irving walk as well if the Celtics didn't already have a great big man at least which the team doesn't. Kyrie has his own health concerns. It is one thing to take your chances on these players from 22-28 when they have health issues but later on it can just be a ticking time bomb.

Kemba didn't have to decline much to be an average starting PG in the NBA that is a poor fit with the Celtics. Do you really want to be playing such a player the max?

Kemba is pretty much back to being Kemba. I know everyone wants to blame Walker for the breakdown on defense but folks this team had dominant defenses with IT it ain't about the PG position. Would I rather pay another guy max dollars sure but I think Kemba is going to give you what you paid him for the rest of the season and probably next season. Hopefully Fournier can take some of the pressure off Walker, Tatum, and Brown so that your not relying on first and second year players to cover a slow half.

And1'ed both of these. Didn't want Kemba for the same reasons (and a few others), but he's rounding back into form, so he's not the albatross he could be. Obviously it's all dependent on that knee, which is why they're being so careful. I don't think he's ever truly worth his contract, but he's still a top X offensive threat in this league. X being something I don't want to determine now, but it's gotta be <= 50.

[31to6]

Welp Vucevic is indeed on the movecevic, alas not to be a newCeltic. Continuecevic.

With Theis and Hayward now gone, I feel compelled to start claiming that Mo Wagner and Evan Fournier look exactly the same. Like, I can’t tell them apart. But I’m just missing the old days when we had the originals and not these cheaper knockoff versions.

[MagicBagley18]

Getting a center to steal more minutes from Williams- is just ridiculous imo. Danny said they were ramping him up I never saw a quote where it blatantly says he can’t get 25-30 minutes a game