Welcome to Virtual Boston, Juhann Begarin!

Smart2Nesmith43 · Post #301 » by **Smart2Nesmith43** » Sun May 8, 2022 12:23 pm

Begarin played a couple games last week. The first one was his first game back from injury and the rust from his month off was apparent (3/15 shooting, 3/8 from the line, 7 TOs) but he also had clutch plays to push the game to overtime and then to a second overtime where unfortunately he over-penetrated and threw a wild kick out that was intercepted to end his team chances of going to triple overtime. He did a bunch of good stuff that showed up in the boxscore (15 rebounds, 6 offensive, 3 steals, 2 assists) and some that didn't (only guy that slowed down Chris Warren).

The second game was a blow out loss where Begarin didn't get as much run but still put up 11 points on 4/9 shooting (2/5 from three) and grabbed 6 boards. Paris has two games left in their season on the next two tuesdays and are in the weird part of schedule where Paris can't make the playoffs and it's really unlikely that they will get relegated so they don't have much to play for. Here's to hoping their season ends before the Celtics'.

The boxscores:
https://www.lnb.fr/elite/game-center-resume/?id=24099
https://www.lnb.fr/elite/game-center-resume/?id=24111

Smart2Nesmith43 · Post #302 » by **Smart2Nesmith43** » Tue May 17, 2022 8:16 pm

I know that Celtics fans are concerned with another game today but this was Begarin's last game of the season. I wrote earlier that it was exceedingly unlikely that Paris would get relegated. In fact it would have required Paris to lose out and the two teams below them in the rankings to win out. Of course that's exactly what happened to this point. So here we are, Paris needing a win on the road against Boulogne Levallois the #3 team in the league to insure they stay in the first division. Boulogne Levallois with a win and favorable results elsewhere could get first place so they weren't going to just go through the motions. On the Paris side, it was also Amara Sy's last game of his career. He has been playing in the french first division since 1999 so you know respect for a long and successful career (he had a decent game too). This game was close for like 5 minutes. Paris played their best game of the year (amazing what happens when you commit to ball and player movement) and ran away from Boulogne.

Begarin started off pretty aggressive with two nice drives but he missed the layups each time under heavy contact. He missed his first jumper too, an above the break three. He finally got a shot to go down with a catch and shoot corner three in transition. In a pretty stagnant possession he had to take a pull up three with a low shot clock and missed. His best play of the first quarter was a nice offensive board which he converted in two points later in the possession with a strong baseline drive using his shoulder to move the defender out of the way.

He came back in the second quarter and quickly missed above the break three. He had a nice euro step in transition to avoid his defender and draw the shooting foul (1/2 from the line). Ran a successful trap in the backcourt to force a turnover. On the ensuing possession he lowered his shoulder drove right to the rim and missed the first attempt but grabbed the board and made the reverse layup on the second try (with the flex). Started a gorgeous series of drive and kick that he finished with an uncontested layup when the ball worked it's way back to him. He then airballed a corner three.

Begarin didn't have many opportunities on offense in the third quarter (with the game well under control, the backcourt started freelancing a lot more and freezing out the rest of the team). After a Paris stop with 5 seconds left in the quarter, he slipped trying to rush the ball up the court.

In the fourth, Begarin went coast to coast but put far too much on his layup trying to finish over his defender. He had a difficult floater attempt with a couple seconds left on the clock that he left short. He had a nice drive where he stopped on a dime at the free throw line to knock down a pull up jumper as the shotclock expired.

The boxscore: https://www.lnb.fr/elite/game-center-resume/?id=24121

This was a fun season to follow and I appreciate the people that took the time to read or react to my summaries of Begarin's games. Now we wait to see whether he spends next season in Boston, Maine or elsewhere. If nothing else, he should get plenty of on ball opportunities in summer league.

Elrod is Back · Post #303 » by **Elrod is Back** » Wed May 18, 2022 4:24 pm

Thank you for these write ups. very much appreciated.

Hal14 · Post #304 » by **Hal14** » Wed May 18, 2022 9:39 pm

I think that between a) Begarin's age (still only 19), b) how deep the celtics are with wing players and the way celtics are contenders NOT in rebuild mode and c) begarin regressed this season as a shooter and didn't make any significant improvement in any other areas

Combine all of that and i think he stays overseas for another year in 2022-2023 season. I think we'll have him play with us in summer league again (just to get the experience and exposure to our coaches) but i think he stays another year over there.

Now, does he stay with Paris Basketball or go to a different team/league? I don't know. I think it might be a good idea to go to a different team, since he didn't show much improvement this season - maybe a change of scenery a different voice (a.k.a. a different coach) could help him.

It did seem like Paris Basketball had pretty bad spacing this season, which likely made it harder for him to drive to the hoop and also made it harder for him to get open looks from 3. So maybe the celtics can work with him to find a different team overseas where the spacing might be better.

24istheLAW · Post #305 » by **24istheLAW** » Wed May 18, 2022 11:23 pm

Hal14 wrote:I think that between a) Begarin's age (still only 19), b) how deep the celtics are with wing players and the way celtics are contenders NOT in rebuild mode and c) begarin regressed this season as a shooter and didn't make any significant improvement in any other areas

Combine all of that and i think he stays overseas for another year in 2022-2023 season. I think we'll have him play with us in summer league again (just to get the experience and exposure to our coaches) but i think he stays another year over there.

Now, does he stay with Paris Basketball or go to a different team/league? I don't know. I think it might be a good idea to go to a different team, since he didn't show much improvement this season - maybe a change of scenery a different voice (a.k.a. a different coach) could help him.

It did seem like Paris Basketball had pretty bad spacing this season, which likely made it harder for him to drive to the hoop and also made it harder for him to get open looks from 3. So maybe the celtics can work with him to find a different team overseas where the spacing might be better.

Reading between the lines of the CelticsBlog anonymous scout reports and the season he's had, Begarin sounds like he'd be eaten alive by a sudden jump to stateside competition. Need to find him a better environment in Europe.

Hal14 · Post #306 » by **Hal14** » Wed May 18, 2022 11:31 pm

24istheLAW wrote:
Hal14 wrote:I think that between a) Begarin's age (still only 19), b) how deep the celtics are with wing players and the way celtics are contenders NOT in rebuild mode and c) begarin regressed this season as a shooter and didn't make any significant improvement in any other areas

Combine all of that and i think he stays overseas for another year in 2022-2023 season. I think we'll have him play with us in summer league again (just to get the experience and exposure to our coaches) but i think he stays another year over there.

Now, does he stay with Paris Basketball or go to a different team/league? I don't know. I think it might be a good idea to go to a different team, since he didn't show much improvement this season - maybe a change of scenery a different voice (a.k.a. a different coach) could help him.

It did seem like Paris Basketball had pretty bad spacing this season, which likely made it harder for him to drive to the hoop and also made it harder for him to get open looks from 3. So maybe the celtics can work with him to find a different team overseas where the spacing might be better.

Reading between the lines of the CelticsBlog anonymous scout reports and the season he's had, Begarin sounds like he'd be eaten alive by a sudden jump to stateside competition. Need to find him a better environment in Europe.

Yeah we talked about that celticsblog article awhile back in this thread. The part in that article that was critical of the league Begarin is playing in was off base. The article said how the French league is weak and how germany and russia leagues are better but that's just not true.

The french league is a very good league. Plenty of players have went directly from french league to NBA (more than some of the leagues the article said were better). Hell, Begarin's teammate on Paris Basketball (ismael kamagate) is projected to go late 1st - early 2nd round in this year's draft. nobody seems concerned with the jump in competition for Kamagate going from French league to NBA.

With that being said, the Spanish league is considered better. If there's a team in that league that has good coaches who can develop guards/wings, help them with their shot and will give some good playing time to Begarin, then yeah that would probably be a good move to make. Just have to be careful, some of the european teams just don't really give mins to young players. Need to be sure it's the right team if he makes a move..

Post #307 » by **Parliament10** » Mon May 30, 2022 8:58 pm

Is there a place on the Celtics Squad for this Kid, in 2022-23?

playa-hater · Post #308 » by **playa-hater** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:04 pm

Parliament10 wrote:Is there a place on the Celtics Squad for this Kid, in 2022-23?

I consider Juhann Begarin to be our 2022 1st RD in place of our traded pick.. young and talented.. and while IME doesn't put much faith in young players over veterans, with potential injuries and or trades always on the horizon, you needs to have talent ready to go.. JB definitely has talent..

Smart2Nesmith43 · Post #309 » by **Smart2Nesmith43** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:16 pm

Parliament10 wrote:Is there a place on the Celtics Squad for this Kid, in 2022-23?

Now that we know how Udoka wants to play, I'm pretty sure he'll love Begarin. The switchable defense, the unselfishness, the quick decision making and the hustle are all going to be there day one. He just needs to hit enough outside shots to stay on the court and that has been his major problem throughout his career.

I'm guessing Stevens' offseason priority is to bring in more NBA proven depth. The Celtics only have 9 reliable guys right now, and while I believe Nesmith will get there next year it's still hopeful conjecture for the moment. So Begarin might stay overseas for an extra year while Stevens loads up on ring chasers. If he comes over, I'm hoping he spends most of the year in Maine jacking up threes to get the in game reps he needs on his outside shot.

Patsfan1081 · Post #310 » by **Patsfan1081** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:51 pm

playa-hater wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:Is there a place on the Celtics Squad for this Kid, in 2022-23?

I consider Juhann Begarin to be our 2022 1st RD in place of our traded pick.. young and talented.. and while IME doesn't put much faith in young players over veterans, with potential injuries and or trades always on the horizon, you needs to have talent ready to go.. JB definitely has talent..

It does sound like he’s not ready though. Boston will have like 5 roster spots going into next year and with only a mid level Im not sure how theyre going to look to fill them. Would it be petter to bring this kid over and get him run in Maine?

Curmudgeon · Post #311 » by **Curmudgeon** » Mon May 30, 2022 11:21 pm

I thought Begarin was ready last year. He will have a shot at making the roster. Maybe h does, maybe he doesn't. Depends on how the money works out, etc. But he certainly has way more upside than anyone outside the top 9. So is another year in Europe best for him, or the Boston-Portland shuttle?

BK_2020 · Post #312 » by **BK_2020** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:13 am

I don't see how a 19 year old who shoots 56% from the free throw line and 30% from the Euro three is better for the big league roster than someone like Fitts.

sam_I_am · Post #313 » by **sam_I_am** » Tue May 31, 2022 9:56 am

With the way our team is constructed we need guys on minimum deals who can become contributors similar to Gabriel and Strus for Heat. Fitts and Begarin are the kind of guys they need to develop. There are going to be 5-7 spots for these types including 2 ways because we aren’t drafting in first round for awhile.

Hal14 · Post #314 » by **Hal14** » Tue May 31, 2022 1:44 pm

I don't think he's ready yet. Question is, do we stash him for another year overseas or give him a 2 way contract and let him spend most of the season in maine?

BK_2020 · Post #315 » by **BK_2020** » Tue May 31, 2022 2:09 pm

I don't think a European player would want to come over for a 2-way. And in any case our 2-way is better spent on someone who is older and whose rights we don't already have stashed.

Justin33 · Post #316 » by **Justin33** » Wed Jun 1, 2022 3:09 am

The G League is horrible

Post #317 » by **Parliament10** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:46 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:Is there a place on the Celtics Squad for this Kid, in 2022-23?

I consider Juhann Begarin to be our 2022 1st RD in place of our traded pick.. young and talented.. and while IME doesn't put much faith in young players over veterans, with potential injuries and or trades always on the horizon, you needs to have talent ready to go.. JB definitely has talent..

It does sound like he’s not ready though. Boston will have like 5 roster spots going into next year and with only a mid level Im not sure how theyre going to look to fill them. Would it be petter to bring this kid over and get him run in Maine?

Maybe on a Two-Way Contract?
How old is he now?

BK_2020 · Post #318 » by **BK_2020** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:57 pm

He's not even 20 years old. It's probably best for him to play a couple more years in Europe than live in a literally cold and forbidding place while being alone in an unfamiliar country and making crap salary as a 20 year old.

return2glory · Post #319 » by **return2glory** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:25 am

I believe he will be here for SL.

La Flame · Post #320 » by **La Flame** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:10 pm

BK_2020 wrote:He's not even 20 years old. It's probably best for him to play a couple more years in Europe than live in a literally cold and forbidding place while being alone in an unfamiliar country and making crap salary as a 20 year old.

Salary will be surely better in the NBA than in Europe for him, but yeah he needs a couple of years work still.

I wonder do Celtics get involved in his training/development or leave it up to him since he officially hasn't been signed on the team?