Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

Post #301 » by **Froob** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:01 pm

I think I’m doing Jaylen for Paul George. It seems semi realistic, maybe Clipps want a more durable guy. Dicey health though for us when we already have a few of these injury prone guys…

Larry_Russell · Post #302 » by **Larry_Russell** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:11 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Trade #1:

BOS gives: Brown, Gallinari
BOS gets: Siakam

POR gives: #3, Simons
POR gets: Brown

TOR gives: Siakam
TOR gets: #3, Simons, Gallinari

Deal has been discussed a lot. We get scoring diversification and save money on a long term extension.

Trade #2:

BOS gets: Huerter, Holmes
SAC gets: Smart, GWilliams (S&T)

Deal works if Grant signs for a $14M salary in year 1. SAC adds Grant (a rumored target with their cap space) to improve their stable of forwards without renouncing the MLE or Harrison Barnes' bird rights by sending out Holmes. Smart helps their ailing perimeter defense on the ball without having to play the offensively unplayable Davion Mitchell.

Trade #3:

BOS gets: Finney-Smith
BRK gets: Pritchard, Hauser, Muscala, Kornet, '24 1st rounder

BRK cashes in on their forward surplus for a pick while returning a good bench shooter in Hauser to replace him. Pritchard and Muscala would be 2nd on their depth chart at PG and C so that's more playable depth and shooting for them.

Our new lineup:

White / Brogdon
Huerter
Tatum / DFS
Siakam
RWilliams / Horford / Holmes

I like that mix of players. I think our offensive and defensive versatility gets better there.

I think we definately overpay everyone in that deal.

#3 and Simons is an overpay for Siakam.

Brown and nothing to Portland for Simons and #3
Brogdon and #3 for Siakam

CelticFaninLBC · Post #303 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:12 pm

Why would Portland want 1 year of Jaylen?

hugepatsfan · Post #304 » by **hugepatsfan** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:14 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:Why would Portland want 1 year of Jaylen?

Dame wants a win now player. By all accounts that offer of Simons/#3 is on the table for Brown if we want it. You can debate if that's the right move for POR, but seems to be there for us if we want it.

Curmudgeon · Post #305 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:15 pm

celtxman wrote:Tatum's fate is certainly tied to Brown or the return for Brown. Tatum states it is important to sign Brown and then they trade him for less than market value and Tatum is good to go to sign?
L

Tatum is signed long term. He could ask for a trade I suppose.

If Tatum wants to be a general manager like LeBron, he should hang them up and finish his degree. As a player he doesn't have the chops. Zero rings.

The Corey's · Post #306 » by **The Corey's** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:15 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:Why would Portland want 1 year of Jaylen?

Any real world trade of Brown is gonna require Brown commitment to the new team. They're gonna have to work together.

I know you can't sign and trade him now but you could trade him and the team and Brown have a understanding that come next off-season he's gonna sign that 5 year deal.

Otherwise, Celtics gonna have to keep this guy for I more year.

The Corey's · Post #307 » by **The Corey's** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:16 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Why would Portland want 1 year of Jaylen?

Dame wants a win now player. By all accounts that offer of Simons/#3 is on the table for Brown if we want it. You can debate if that's the right move for POR, but seems to be there for us if we want it.

What accounts? Im curious.

watsonthedragon · Post #308 » by **watsonthedragon** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:16 pm

Can someone explain to me the mechanism behind actually moving JB? Is it basically not offering the supermax and trading him with a year left on his current deal, or can you still move him if he signs the supermax? If the former, will other teams be willing to trade for him with a year left?

Curmudgeon · Post #309 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:17 pm

What's one year of Brown worth to the Celtics? As far as I'm concerned, he played himself out of a max contract offer last night.

Post #310 » by **djFan71** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:18 pm

Is Siakam really gonna be that much cheaper than JB? He's more next season. Then you take his ~$38M and do a 140% extension and you're at $52M. He's an UFA after next season and should put up great numbers next to Tatum, so it doesn't seem unrealistic it'll take that much to resign him.

I really like the idea/player, but I don't know if it's material financially vs JB supermax starting ~$50M in 2024.

Post #311 » by **djFan71** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:19 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:Can someone explain to me the mechanism behind actually moving JB? Is it basically not offering the supermax and trading him with a year left on his current deal, or can you still move him if he signs the supermax? If the former, will other teams be willing to trade for him with a year left?

You can't trade a supermax for 1 year. So it would be trade without the extension. But the receiving team can extend him. It used to be up to 120%, but new CBA makes it 140%. I'm not positive if that part kicks in this summer or not, tho.

hugepatsfan · Post #312 » by **hugepatsfan** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:20 pm

The Corey's wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Why would Portland want 1 year of Jaylen?

Dame wants a win now player. By all accounts that offer of Simons/#3 is on the table for Brown if we want it. You can debate if that's the right move for POR, but seems to be there for us if we want it.

What accounts? Im curious.

It' literally all over the internet in any NBA site. They want to re-sign Jerami Grant, insert Sharpe into the lineup at SG because they love him and trade Simons/#3 for an all star SF.

Dame
Sharpe
(all star SF)
Grant
Nurkic

Brown/Bridges are reportedly their top targets. Would consider Siakam too but that means Grant to SF and a little clunky. OG been rumored too but not considered good enough.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #313 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:20 pm

The Corey's wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Why would Portland want 1 year of Jaylen?

Any real world trade of Brown is gonna require Brown commitment to the new team. They're gonna have to work together.

I know you can't sign and trade him now but you could trade him and the team and Brown have a understanding that come next off-season he's gonna sign that 5 year deal.

Otherwise, Celtics gonna have to keep this guy for I more year.

I can see Jaylen having interest in staying with Atlanta (Hometown team) or Houston (Ime).

Portland dealing #3 and Simons for Jaylen seems like a big gamble by Portland.

Hal14 · Post #314 » by **Hal14** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:21 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:What's one year of Brown worth to the Celtics? As far as I'm concerned, he played himself out of a max contract offer last night.

He was playing with an injured wrist. Miami's biggest player fell on the wrist in game 1 - same wrist that JB has surgery on.

You also don't base personnel decisions (especially decisions this big) on a 1 game sample size.

Hal14 · Post #315 » by **Hal14** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:27 pm

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hugepatsfan · Post #316 » by **hugepatsfan** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:28 pm

djFan71 wrote:Is Siakam really gonna be that much cheaper than JB? He's more next season. Then you take his ~$38M and do a 140% extension and you're at $52M. He's an UFA after next season and should put up great numbers next to Tatum, so it doesn't seem unrealistic it'll take that much to resign him.

I really like the idea/player, but I don't know if it's material financially vs JB supermax starting ~$50M in 2024.

"Regular" max extensions are limited by the cap. For a "normal" max, both Siakam and Brown would be limited to 30% of the salary cap in year 1. Their extensions would start in the '24-25 season, which has a projected cap of $143M. 30% of that is $42.9M.

A "regular" max extension can be for UP TO 140% of their current salaries but they get capped at the max salary for the year they started. Both Brown and Siakam can sign max extensions which would be for 4 years, starting at $40.9M in '24-25 season with annual raises of 8% of the year 1 salary. Deal would go:

24-25: $42,900,000
25-26: $46,332,000
26-27: $49,764,000
27-28: $53,196,000

Total = $192,192,000 over 4 years

Brown is eligible for a "super max" extension. That allows his extension to start at 35% of the cap vs. 30%. It also allows him to get a 5th year vs. 4 on the extension. 35% of the cap would be $50.05M for year 1 of his extension:

24-25: $50,050,000
25-26: $54,054,000
26-27: $58,050,000
27-28: $62,062,000
28-29: $66,066,000

Total = $224,224,000 over 4 years, or $290,290,000 if the 5th year is added on

In total, we'd save $32,032,000 by trading for and extending Siakam over the next 4 years vs supermaxing Brown. We also wouldn't have the 5th year committed. That ~$8M/year would be very useful in staying below the new second tax apron.

CelticsPride18 · Post #317 » by **CelticsPride18** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:28 pm

I don’t care where we add , but the focus should be high IQ players

leper-con · Post #318 » by **leper-con** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:28 pm

Can we just being in a coach that puts player sin a position of strengths and not isolate them in there weaknesses.
If Spo can put a bunch of ham and eggers with multiple weaknesses and hide them can't we do the same before we start the trade Brown?

Larry_Russell · Post #319 » by **Larry_Russell** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:29 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:Why would Portland want 1 year of Jaylen?

Dame said in an interview he would like to play with someone like BROWN.

Makes perfect sense. Brown and Portland seem to fit like a glove. Brown and Dave like a glove as well.

Post #320 » by **djFan71** » Tue May 30, 2023 4:29 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Is Siakam really gonna be that much cheaper than JB? He's more next season. Then you take his ~$38M and do a 140% extension and you're at $52M. He's an UFA after next season and should put up great numbers next to Tatum, so it doesn't seem unrealistic it'll take that much to resign him.

I really like the idea/player, but I don't know if it's material financially vs JB supermax starting ~$50M in 2024.

"Regular" max extensions are limited by the cap. For a "normal" max, both Siakam and Brown would be limited to 30% of the salary cap in year 1. Their extensions would start in the '24-25 season, which has a projected cap of $143M. 30% of that is $42.9M.

A "regular" max extension can be for UP TO 140% of their current salaries but they get capped at the max salary for the year they started. Both Brown and Siakam can sign max extensions which would be for 4 years, starting at $40.9M in '24-25 season with annual raises of 8% of the year 1 salary. Deal would go:

24-25: $42,900,000
25-26: $46,332,000
26-27: $49,764,000
27-28: $53,196,000

Total = $192,192,000 over 4 years

Brown is eligible for a "super max" extension. That allows his extension to start at 35% of the cap vs. 30%. It also allows him to get a 5th year vs. 4 on the extension. 35% of the cap would be $50.05M for year 1 of his extension:

24-25: $50,050,000
25-26: $54,054,000
26-27: $58,050,000
27-28: $62,062,000
28-29: $66,066,000

Total = $224,224,000 over 4 years, or $290,290,000 if the 5th year is added on

In total, we'd save $32,032,000 by trading for and extending Siakam over the next 4 years vs supermaxing Brown. We also wouldn't have the 5th year committed. That ~$8M/year would be very useful in staying below the new second tax apron.

Ahh, thanks! I missed the cap on the normal extension part.