Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

[captain green]

Please forgive me but this is what happens when I can't fall asleep.

How would you guys feel about trading PP for a 2nd round pick to get off hi 4+ mil salary, then using that salary, combined with what we have left under the 2nd apron to sign TJ Warren, Moses Brown and John Wall?

According to Spotrac, we are 3.368.493 mil under the 2nd apron, but that does not include Walsh's salary yet. (It won't be applied to our cap until Aug 1st). When it does apply, we will be 2,268,563 under the 2nd apron. Then we release Champagnie, since he is not guaranteed at this point. (Neither is Banton, but his salary is included since he was just signed, and he will be guaranteed)

Then we trade Pritchard (4,037,088) for a pick (no salary coming back). That would make us 6,306,158 under the 2nd apron. Then according to RealGM :

"When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, 10-day or Rest-of-Season contract at the minimum salary, the league reimburses the team for part of his salary -- any amount above the minimum salary for a two-year veteran. For example, the minimum salary for a two-year veteran in 2017-18 is $1,471,382, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $2,328,652, the league would reimburse the team $857,270. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive than younger veterans."

Which means we could sign any vet player that has been in the league at least three years to a one-year minimum salary deal, and it would only count 2,019,706 (this year's two-year veteran salary) against our cap.

After Pritchard trade: 6,306,158 under 2nd apron
sign TJ Warren 1 yr min 2,019,706
4,286,452 under 2nd apron
sign Moses Brown 1 yr min 2,019,706
2,269,746 under 2nd apron
sign John Wall 1 yr min 2,019,746
247,040 under 2nd apron

updated roster
White, Brown, Tatum, RW3, Porzingis
Brogdon, Hauser, TJ Warren, Brissette, Horford
Wall, Banton, Walsh, M. Brown, Kornet

What do you think? We also could switch any of the three I named, as long as they would agree to play for a one-year minimum deal.

Not entirely mad at the idea. Especially wall he can't be worse than pp can he?

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Since Brown and Tatum started playing together the Celtics have 3rd highest winning%, most ECF appearances, second or third highest playoff wins and playoff series won. Imagine if the Patriots came to the conclusion that Brady/Belechek would never win anything after failing to win it all between 2007 and 2015.

So JB is on the level of a Brady or Belichick now? What a weird comparison.

Since we’re talking basketball after all, they’re closer to DeRozan/Lowry or if you want to be generous KD/Westbrook (except their Tatum walked to join a superteam and their JB stayed). Tatum has less incentive to walk now because he’s already in a great market and he’ll get the supermax but he can always ask for a trade after signing.

No need to use the Patriots as an example. They could be compared to the Nuggets, who had the patience of waiting for the team to be fully healthy at the right time (something Cs haven’t had the luck of being — Tatum banged up in the Finals, JB banged up last ECF w/ Tatum rolling his ankle in game 7.), stuck with the same core, and finally broke through after Jokic/Murray 7 years together.

The Patriots are a New England team and there were plenty of detractors in 2014. The Patriots between 2007 and 2014 had tremendous success with 2 failed Super Bowl appearances and many winning seasons - yet they fell short of the ultimate goal - much like the Celtics of the last 5 years. I think it’s a valid point to suggest it is idiotic and very weird to want to break up the core of a winning team with young talent that is potentially on the verge of greater succcess.

C'mon man, that comparison is quite a reach. Tom Brady is the GOAT NFL player and Belichek is arguably the GOAT NFL coach. JT and JB are not remotely close to either of them.

Also, Brady won a super bowl during the very first season he was ever put in as a starting QB. Brady and Belichek had already won THREE super bowls together prior to 2007.

If the Jays had already won 3 NBA titles together, this would be a very different conversation.

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Makes sense. Another Euro team was willing to pay the $500K buyout for him to be their starting center. But we're not gonna pay that buyout for a 4th or 5th big. And I read that due to some stipulation, he couldn't take a 2-way contract. Not that he would take one anyways, since guys can make much more $ in Europe than they would on a cheap 2-way.

[snowman]

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No surprise, Balcerowski (who played for our SL team) is staying overseas..

Perhaps with another year of development overseas and competing against good competition in the EuroLeague - and then he may end up on an NBA roster for the 24-25 season. We'll see..

Guess he’s not already better than Kornet, but do agree he has some potential to show up in the NBA.

That doesn't mean he isn't better than Kornet, it may just mean that he can make a ton more money overseas or get a chance to play more there than being the 4th or 5th big here. Or it may mean that Brad didn't want to pay him a contract and have to buy out his contract there too.

[sam_I_am]

So JB is on the level of a Brady or Belichick now? What a weird comparison.

Since we’re talking basketball after all, they’re closer to DeRozan/Lowry or if you want to be generous KD/Westbrook (except their Tatum walked to join a superteam and their JB stayed). Tatum has less incentive to walk now because he’s already in a great market and he’ll get the supermax but he can always ask for a trade after signing.

No need to use the Patriots as an example. They could be compared to the Nuggets, who had the patience of waiting for the team to be fully healthy at the right time (something Cs haven’t had the luck of being — Tatum banged up in the Finals, JB banged up last ECF w/ Tatum rolling his ankle in game 7.), stuck with the same core, and finally broke through after Jokic/Murray 7 years together.[/quote9]

The Patriots are a New England team and there were plenty of detractors in 2014. The Patriots between 2007 and 2014 had tremendous success with 2 failed Super Bowl appearances and many winning seasons - yet they fell short of the ultimate goal - much like the Celtics of the last 5 years. I think it’s a valid point to suggest it is idiotic and very weird to want to break up the core of a winning team with young talent that is potentially on the verge of greater succcess.

C'mon man, that comparison is quite a reach. Tom Brady is the GOAT NFL player and Belichek is arguably the GOAT NFL coach. JT and JB are not remotely close to either of them.

Also, Brady won a super bowl during the very first season he was ever put in as a starting QB. Brady and Belichek had already won THREE super bowls together prior to 2007.

If the Jays had already won 3 NBA titles together, this would be a very different conversation.

Comparing the Celtics to the Patriots is what I did. Brad views JT/JB as the core of this franchise and stated that is intention was to build around them from day 1. In 2013 nobody was predicting 4 superbowls in the next 5 years - 12 years after their last Super Bowl victory. I’m certainly not predicting that for Tatum and Brown either or suggesting either one will be the GOAT. Just saying that splitting them up with the run they have just had is asinine.

I sure as hell would not advocate breaking this crew up after they forced a game 7 down 0-3 or ever trading Brown for lesser returns like you were.

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If you can't dominate in Summer League, you're not better than Kornet...

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Brad has a chance to make Tatum very happy...

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2 of Tatum's best friends, just sitting there in free agency. Tatum pushed to have the 2-way contract rule changed to allow Giles to be eligible for 1 more year on a 2-way to make it easier for him to make an NBA comeback. We just happen to have 1 2-way spot open. Our other 2-way guys, one is a PG (JD) and the other is a wing (Scrubb). So it would make sense if we signed a big to the other 2-way.

Brad also hinted at wanting to sign another wing to 1 of our open roster spots. It also wouldn't be the first time Brad brought back a former Celtic who played for us back when Brad was the coach (Al, Enes Freedom, Theis).

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If you can't dominate in Summer League, you're not better than Kornet...

During his stretch of averaging *maybe* 8p/4r for our piss poor summer league team, I read that Balcerowski was better than Kornet, and reminded posters of the Gasols and also at least one of the Lopezes.

I will drop it though as it doesn’t matter at all.

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If you can't dominate in Summer League, you're not better than Kornet...

During his stretch of averaging *maybe* 8p/4r for our piss poor summer league team, I read that Balcerowski was better than Kornet, and reminded posters of the Gasols and also at least one of the Lopezes.

I will drop it though as it doesn’t matter at all.

Oh hey this goes back to last year when tons of people were convinced Cabin Jelly was playing over the Kornet.

It’s like, just look what contracts they give and what they say, it’s not that hard.

[GoCeltics123]

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??? This is so weird just listen to this.

Discipline for Dame on this trade request if he keeps saying he only wants Miami

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[GoCeltics123]

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Amico is definitely wrong about this...but god I want him to be right

[flintsky21]

If you can't dominate in Summer League, you're not better than Kornet...

During his stretch of averaging *maybe* 8p/4r for our piss poor summer league team, I read that Balcerowski was better than Kornet, and reminded posters of the Gasols and also at least one of the Lopezes.

I will drop it though as it doesn’t matter at all.

He may not be better than Kornet, but also may not be worse (and if he is, then it's not by a large margin). But given the choice, I'd rather have a 22-year-old that might still have some unlockable upside as a garbage time big compared to someone who's 28.

Yeah. It's that part of the offseason when we're debating between two 4th string centers.

[ThirtyFour]

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??? This is so weird just listen to this.

Discipline for Dame on this trade request if he keeps saying he only wants Miami

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Great let’s give them our treasure chest of 2,384 second round picks and PP. Who can beat that?

Get it done Bradley.

[robdog_5]

Thank you. There is no way the nba can allow players to dictate all the terms all the time.

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??? This is so weird just listen to this.

Discipline for Dame on this trade request if he keeps saying he only wants Miami

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I'm not very surprised by this for 3 reasons:

1) Silver has already been cracking down on tampering over the past couple of yrs and penalizing teams for doing it

2) The league has done a lot over the past few yrs to help the with competitive balance in the league, so all teams have a fair shot. What Lillard and his agent have been doing, it sets a bad precedent. If star players can just pick their own teams (like KD and Beal just did, like Harden and Kyrie basically just did, like Lillard is doing) it makes it so only certain teams get the good players, while other teams are getting less of an equal shot at getting good players.

3) There have been a bunch of different guys commenting in the media over the past week or 2 (Austin Rivers, Dr J, etc.) criticizing Lillard and saying that this type of stuff is bad for the league. I've heard 2 or 3 guys now in the past week or so saying the words "bad for the league" and when Silver hears that stuff from a bunch of different people all saying it (especially if 1 of those people is Dr J) then it's not surprising if Silver does something about it

[Curmudgeon]

A simple fix would be to bar any trade to Miami.

[GoCeltics123]

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[TheBookOfIsaiah]

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??? This is so weird just listen to this.

Discipline for Dame on this trade request if he keeps saying he only wants Miami

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I think the main issue isn’t the Miami thing. It’s the threatening to not show up for training camp/sit out.

[chrisab123]

This has happened for so many years. A theory on why this is happening now is that the league has 6-8 teams that could win the title next year. If Lillard gets traded to Miami for peanuts it cuts that in half. Miami is more or less the East champs and then awaits Phoenix, Denver, or uh...lets just do GSW for **** and giggles. The fan interest in places like Boston Philly and Milwaukee would be lessened by this trade.

You can't have players that threaten to not report to camp if they don't get their way. If they do then they usually follow the Simmons playbook and create a mental health episode or a back injury. Not trivializing Mental Health but everyone and their mom could see right through Klutch on that.

[djFan71]

At least MIA will now be forced to give a real package. Just every possible pick/young player they have that is eligible to trade. They have to include them all so it doesn't look like robbery.

And his agent may want to start polishing up that resume a little bit, lol.