2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg

[redslastlaugh]

I've narrowed down my bigs list of who I want if they are there at 28 and 32, hoping we keep both 28 and 32.

1. Ryan Kalkbrenner
2. Johni Broome

I prefer these guys a little over Maxime Raynaud. Maxime Raynaud's defense isn't that good right now.
Also, I don't know much about Hansen Yang.

I don't think Thomas Sorber will be there at 28. Same with Wolf.

I feel Vladislav Goldin from Michigan and Amari Williams from Kentucky are underrated bigs.

I want to like Amari Williams but I watch him and he jumps just all wrong, like jerking his knees up and feet out, I don't know, almost spastic... but then he makes some nice passes and he is a strong rebounder with great, great size but I just can't get there on him. I'd love him if he goes undrafted and we can sign him to a 2-way. Maybe he can develop his court awareness and body control with full time NBA coaching... ?

I do think there's a lot of worthwhile bigs in this draft, this may be a good draft to select some size

[Hal14]

I've narrowed down my bigs list of who I want if they are there at 28 and 32, hoping we keep both 28 and 32.

1. Ryan Kalkbrenner
2. Johni Broome

I prefer these guys a little over Maxime Raynaud. Maxime Raynaud's defense isn't that good right now.
Also, I don't know much about Hansen Yang.

I don't think Thomas Sorber will be there at 28. Same with Wolf.

I feel Vladislav Goldin from Michigan and Amari Williams from Kentucky are underrated bigs.

I want to like Amari Williams but I watch him and he jumps just all wrong, like jerking his knees up and feet out, I don't know, almost spastic... but then he makes some nice passes and he is a strong rebounder with great, great size but I just can't get there on him. I'd love him if he goes undrafted and we can sign him to a 2-way. Maybe he can develop his court awareness and body control with full time NBA coaching... ?

I do think there's a lot of worthwhile bigs in this draft, this may be a good draft to select some size

Yeah Amari is a good UDFA target..wouldn't be wild about using a draft pick on him.

[playa-hater]

I think some of these wings are underrated:

Adou Thiero (Arkansas)
Hugo Gonzalez (Real Madrid)
Koby Brea (Kentucky)
Kobe Sanders (Nevada)
Brooks Barnhizer (Northwestern)
Jamir Watkins (Florida State)

Well, the fact that Jaylen Wells of Memphis was basically an unknown second round pick. And it worked out really well. There is always a chance that one of these guys is a hidden gem.

But of course, it helped a ton that he had a cultural believe in him and gave him a great opportunity to develop.

[Hal14]

I think some of these wings are underrated:

Adou Thiero (Arkansas)
Hugo Gonzalez (Real Madrid)
Koby Brea (Kentucky)
Kobe Sanders (Nevada)
Brooks Barnhizer (Northwestern)
Jamir Watkins (Florida State)

Well, the fact that Jaylen Wells of Memphis was basically an unknown second round pick. And it worked out really well. There is always a chance that one of these guys is a hidden gem.

But of course, it helped a ton that he had a cultural believe in him and gave him a great opportunity to develop.

FWIW, I had Wells ranked as a top 20 prospect in last year's draft class. I don't see any of these other guys listed as 1st round picks. Thiero, Hugo, Brea and Watkins are worth a 2nd round swing imo. Brea is the the one who's most like Wells..

[playa-hater]

I've narrowed down my bigs list of who I want if they are there at 28 and 32, hoping we keep both 28 and 32.

1. Ryan Kalkbrenner
2. Johni Broome

I prefer these guys a little over Maxime Raynaud. Maxime Raynaud's defense isn't that good right now.
Also, I don't know much about Hansen Yang.

I don't think Thomas Sorber will be there at 28. Same with Wolf.

I feel Vladislav Goldin from Michigan and Amari Williams from Kentucky are underrated bigs.

I feel like Broome definitely has the highest floor among centers in that position of the draft, i am just wondering how much ceiling he has left in comparison to some of the other prospects and is it better to take a chance on a player with a higher ceiling considering the status of the current Celtics. Maybe or maybe not

[Dogen]

I've narrowed down my bigs list of who I want if they are there at 28 and 32, hoping we keep both 28 and 32.

1. Ryan Kalkbrenner
2. Johni Broome

I prefer these guys a little over Maxime Raynaud. Maxime Raynaud's defense isn't that good right now.
Also, I don't know much about Hansen Yang.

I don't think Thomas Sorber will be there at 28. Same with Wolf.

I feel Vladislav Goldin from Michigan and Amari Williams from Kentucky are underrated bigs.

Lots of possibilities where we are picking, and very different prospects. I'm absolutely smitten with Beringer's ability to move on perimeter defense. Total Rob vibes and could be a great development pick. His shot is about as bad as I've ever seen, though, and no guarantee it improves.

The bigs in our basic range are all over the place in skill set. Kalkbrenner, Wolf, Broome, and Beringer are completely different players. Getting a player with their combined skills would be a top 3 pick, but Brad needs to figure out how the current chips fall with Jrue, KP, Al, Sam, etc before the draft if we're going with 28 and 32.

I expect he'll really work hard at moving up if the plan is to get one player that is a more complete package.

[Dogen]

I think some of these wings are underrated:

Adou Thiero (Arkansas)
Hugo Gonzalez (Real Madrid)
Koby Brea (Kentucky)
Kobe Sanders (Nevada)
Brooks Barnhizer (Northwestern)
Jamir Watkins (Florida State)

Well, the fact that Jaylen Wells of Memphis was basically an unknown second round pick. And it worked out really well. There is always a chance that one of these guys is a hidden gem.

But of course, it helped a ton that he had a cultural believe in him and gave him a great opportunity to develop.

I remember Wells getting more buzz closer to the draft last year, and was wondering if he would still be there for the Celtics to pick him up. Honestly, I was all about that player from Africa that the Raps took, Chomche, who was seen as higher upside. He may still be a great pick long term, but there's usually a couple of those seemingly unspectaular guys like Wells that come in ready to go. Maybe this year it's Brea or a Lanier -- someone who has enough of a package to contribute right away but isn't seen as a first round talent at the time of the draft.

[Kalela]

I think some of these wings are underrated:

Adou Thiero (Arkansas)
Hugo Gonzalez (Real Madrid)
Koby Brea (Kentucky)
Kobe Sanders (Nevada)
Brooks Barnhizer (Northwestern)
Jamir Watkins (Florida State)

Well, the fact that Jaylen Wells of Memphis was basically an unknown second round pick. And it worked out really well. There is always a chance that one of these guys is a hidden gem.

But of course, it helped a ton that he had a cultural believe in him and gave him a great opportunity to develop.

FWIW, I had Wells ranked as a top 20 prospect in last year's draft class. I don't see any of these other guys listed as 1st round picks. Thiero, Hugo, Brea and Watkins are worth a 2nd round swing imo. Brea is the the one who's most like Wells..

I remember you being pretty big on Wells.

[return2glory]

I've narrowed down my bigs list of who I want if they are there at 28 and 32, hoping we keep both 28 and 32.

1. Ryan Kalkbrenner
2. Johni Broome

I prefer these guys a little over Maxime Raynaud. Maxime Raynaud's defense isn't that good right now.
Also, I don't know much about Hansen Yang.

I don't think Thomas Sorber will be there at 28. Same with Wolf.

I feel Vladislav Goldin from Michigan and Amari Williams from Kentucky are underrated bigs.

I feel like Broome definitely has the highest floor among centers in that position of the draft, i am just wondering how much ceiling he has left in comparison to some of the other prospects and is it better to take a chance on a player with a higher ceiling considering the status of the current Celtics. Maybe or maybe not

I don't view Broome as a center. I see him more as a PF that can play center at times. If see some Zack Randolph and Julius Randle type.

[return2glory]

I've narrowed down my bigs list of who I want if they are there at 28 and 32, hoping we keep both 28 and 32.

1. Ryan Kalkbrenner
2. Johni Broome

I prefer these guys a little over Maxime Raynaud. Maxime Raynaud's defense isn't that good right now.
Also, I don't know much about Hansen Yang.

I don't think Thomas Sorber will be there at 28. Same with Wolf.

I feel Vladislav Goldin from Michigan and Amari Williams from Kentucky are underrated bigs.

I want to like Amari Williams but I watch him and he jumps just all wrong, like jerking his knees up and feet out, I don't know, almost spastic... but then he makes some nice passes and he is a strong rebounder with great, great size but I just can't get there on him. I'd love him if he goes undrafted and we can sign him to a 2-way. Maybe he can develop his court awareness and body control with full time NBA coaching... ?

I do think there's a lot of worthwhile bigs in this draft, this may be a good draft to select some size

Yeah Amari is a good UDFA target..wouldn't be wild about using a draft pick on him.

For Goldin and Amari Williams, I think they can go anywhere from 40- to late 2nd round. I wouldn't draft them with 28 or 32. If they go undrafted, I feel a few teams will look back and say we should have taken one of these two in the mid to late 2nd round instead of the guy we ended up drafting.
If Goldin was a little better rebounder and defender, he would be a late 1st round, early 2nd round player.

[return2glory]

Who is a player or players you would want Boston to trade up for in the 14-25 range that most likely wouldn't be there at 28?

[redslastlaugh]

Celts worked out this kid Caleb Grill. Can't even call him a kid cause hes like 25 yrs old. But dang, this dude is an elite athlete for a white shooting guard, like Bobby Sura, Dan Majerle type of thunder slams, lol
The first 45 seconds is this dude just dunking on guys, lol

Watch on YouTube

;t=80s

[redslastlaugh]

Who is a player or players you would want Boston to trade up for in the 14-25 range that most likely wouldn't be there at 28?

In that instance, I'd be interested in these five guys, basically in this order:

Asa Newell
Cedric Coward
Thomas Sorber
Nique Clifford
Rasheer Fleming

[djFan71]

Who is a player or players you would want Boston to trade up for in the 14-25 range that most likely wouldn't be there at 28?

In that instance, I'd be interested in these five guys, basically in this order:

Asa Newell
Cedric Coward
Thomas Sorber
Nique Clifford
Rasheer Fleming

My list is similar: Newell, Fleming, Clayton Jr, Penda (possible at 28), Clifford.

I'm not sure where to put Coward. Feels like he'll be an elite Hauser, but may or may/not have any more creation upside. Sorber doesn't interest me a ton.

[playa-hater]

Who is a player or players you would want Boston to trade up for in the 14-25 range that most likely wouldn't be there at 28?

Well I will be redundant and say Wolf and Fleming. Still some guys I haven't looked at yet that may go late teens. But I am also hoping trading Jrue and/or Hauser to get one that high while still having 28 and 32.. Love the talents that are there and also need to start drafting younger players.

[Hal14]

Who is a player or players you would want Boston to trade up for in the 14-25 range that most likely wouldn't be there at 28?

In that instance, I'd be interested in these five guys, basically in this order:

Asa Newell
Cedric Coward
Thomas Sorber
Nique Clifford
Rasheer Fleming

My list is similar: Newell, Fleming, Clayton Jr, Penda (possible at 28), Clifford.

I'm not sure where to put Coward. Feels like he'll be an elite Hauser, but may or may/not have any more creation upside. Sorber doesn't interest me a ton.

I definitely think Coward has more creation upside than Hauser. For one, he's about 3 years younger than Hauser was when we got him. For 2, these vids show some of the creation potential..it's not the strongest part of his game..he's more of a 3&D guy (sort of like Deandre Hunter) but with good passing and enough flashes of some of the off the dribble stuff that give me some Kawhi/Middleton vibes and enough of the defense that makes me think he could even be better than Hunter defensively..he's got a 7'2" wingspan, so could be sort of like Jaden McDaniels..

Watch on YouTube

35:10 wow. This is some Jaylen Brown, Derozan, Kobe, MJ, Middleton, Kawhi type stuff here. A guy 6'6" with a strong build who makes a move like this - face up, then back man down into a turnaround middie along the baseline with high release, looks so smooth
1:57:26 look at that wingspan. Uses it to block the shot from a mile away
1:57:38 doesn't bite on the fake, blocks the shot
1:57:53 nice weak side rim protection, length
1:58:00 woah, this is Kawhi type of stuff. Wing defender w/ 7'2" wingspan blocking a shot like this without even having to turn his body to face the offensive player

Watch on YouTube

14:53 this block is insane. Insane defensive play
15:10 this defense here is special. The technique and how locked in he is
15:25 another awesome defensive possession

He's up to 10th on my big board now. I think he's 9th on Sam Vecenie's board..Might not make sense for us to trade up for him..but if we trade Hauser and JB? Yeah, he's definitely a guy we could target if we trade into like the 8-18 range.

[playa-hater]

Who is a player or players you would want Boston to trade up for in the 14-25 range that most likely wouldn't be there at 28?

In that instance, I'd be interested in these five guys, basically in this order:

Asa Newell
Cedric Coward
Thomas Sorber
Nique Clifford
Rasheer Fleming

My list is similar: Newell, Fleming, Clayton Jr, Penda (possible at 28), Clifford.

I'm not sure where to put Coward. Feels like he'll be an elite Hauser, but may or may/not have any more creation upside. Sorber doesn't interest me a ton.

an "Elite Hauser" is definitely worth getting.

[djFan71]

In that instance, I'd be interested in these five guys, basically in this order:

Asa Newell
Cedric Coward
Thomas Sorber
Nique Clifford
Rasheer Fleming

My list is similar: Newell, Fleming, Clayton Jr, Penda (possible at 28), Clifford.

I'm not sure where to put Coward. Feels like he'll be an elite Hauser, but may or may/not have any more creation upside. Sorber doesn't interest me a ton.

I definitely think Coward has more creation upside than Hauser. For one, he's about 3 years younger than Hauser was when we got him. For 2, these vids show some of the creation potential..it's not the strongest part of his game..he's more of a 3&D guy (sort of like Deandre Hunter) but with good passing and enough flashes of some of the off the dribble stuff that give me some Kawhi/Middleton vibes and enough of the defense that makes me think he could even be better than Hunter defensively..he's got a 7'2" wingspan, so could be sort of like Jaden McDaniels..

Watch on YouTube

35:10 wow. This is some Jaylen Brown, Derozan, Kobe, MJ, Middleton, Kawhi type stuff here. A guy 6'6" with a strong build who makes a move like this - face up, then back man down into a turnaround middie along the baseline with high release, looks so smooth
1:57:26 look at that wingspan. Uses it to block the shot from a mile away
1:57:38 doesn't bite on the fake, blocks the shot
1:57:53 nice weak side rim protection, length
1:58:00 woah, this is Kawhi type of stuff. Wing defender w/ 7'2" wingspan blocking a shot like this without even having to turn his body to face the offensive player

Watch on YouTube

14:53 this block is insane. Insane defensive play
15:10 this defense here is special. The technique and how locked in he is
15:25 another awesome defensive possession

He's up to 10th on my big board now. I think he's 9th on Sam Vecenie's board..Might not make sense for us to trade up for him..but if we trade Hauser and JB? Yeah, he's definitely a guy we could target if we trade into like the 8-18 range.

Oh, sorry, poor wording. I meant more that Coward has more creation upside than he's shown to date. Not in relation to Hauser.

[ThePigeon]

If we are staying with 28 and 32, and assuming Cedric Coward and Rasheer Fleming are off the table - I am all for getting Powell and Kalk
Kalk can be a great addition to the front court
Powell - we need more athleticism. He has a ton

And as I said - we will get Dinke Pate one way or another (the universe has spoken)

[165bows]

Celts worked out this kid Caleb Grill. Can't even call him a kid cause hes like 25 yrs old. But dang, this dude is an elite athlete for a white shooting guard, like Bobby Sura, Dan Majerle type of thunder slams, lol
The first 45 seconds is this dude just dunking on guys, lol

Watch on YouTube

;t=80s

Sign me up for him on our summer league team I love it. They should have some opportunities that they haven't in awhile in terms of roster spots and pathways to time so it would be great if they took advantage of it and mined another diamond in the rough.
Edit:

Grill, along with fellow Mizzou guard Tamar Bates, was invited to the G League Elite Camp in Chicago from May 9-11. Grill measured in at 6-foot-2.25 without shoes, with a 6-foot-7.5 wingspan, a standing reach of 8-foot-2, a 9-inch by 8.25-inch hand and a weight of 204 pounds.

In his agility drills, Grill clocked in a 2.809 seconds in the lane shuttle left, 2.707 seconds in the lane shuttle right, 3.19 seconds in the three-quarter court sprint and 11.27 seconds in the pro lane. He also had a standing vertical of 29 inches and the top max vertical jump at the camp at 38 inches.

https://247sports.com/college/missouri/article/mizzou-basketball-caleb-grill-talks-pre-draft-process-workouts-250785219/

A little bit Ron Baker-esque if we continue the theme. Not quite 6’4” so a bit small but with solid length and hops. This is the type of guy they try to turn into an all around guard and just stick at PG in the G league.