Trade Ideas Thread

[tfmiii]

And by the way, you should never trust a deal with Larry Bird...he always wins No way he accepts such a deal

He should have taken Bass instead of Scola for the Gerald Green/Plumlee/1st rounder package. Would have been better off for Larry. Maybe Bass was too much $.

I would not be surprised if Bird never consumates a trade with Danny, just too much past rivalry/competitiveness btn the two... and i believe Larry would rather give someone else a 'win' rather than get a possibly better deal with Danny and risking that DA get the 'win'

I don't believe they've ever made a trade.

In fact, even when we were signing Marquis Daniels as a FA Larry refused to do a sign and trade that could have netted him a minimal return (2nd rounder) and trade exception - instead LB opted to get... NOTHING!

[ryaningf]

And by the way, you should never trust a deal with Larry Bird...he always wins No way he accepts such a deal

He should have taken Bass instead of Scola for the Gerald Green/Plumlee/1st rounder package. Would have been better off for Larry. Maybe Bass was too much $.

I would not be surprised if Bird never consumates a trade with Danny, just too much past rivalry/competitiveness btn the two... and i believe Larry would rather give someone else a 'win' rather than get a possibly better deal with Danny and risking that DA get the 'win'

I don't believe they've ever made a trade.

In fact, even when we were signing Marquis Daniels as a FA Larry refused to do a sign and trade that could have netted him a minimal return (2nd rounder) and trade exception - instead LB opted to get... NOTHING!

Yeah, I LongTimeFan backed this up with an anecdote in another thread (think it had "hope" in the title if you want to dig it up), basically saying that even though the Cs were interested in Stephenson the Pacers would rather let him get away for nothing (like they did) than work out a sign-and-trade with the Cs to at least salvage some sort of asset in return. The implication was that Larry set the price at "Rondo" in any/all sign-and-trade scenarios involving Lance.

[GreenMachine]

He should have taken Bass instead of Scola for the Gerald Green/Plumlee/1st rounder package. Would have been better off for Larry. Maybe Bass was too much $.

I would not be surprised if Bird never consumates a trade with Danny, just too much past rivalry/competitiveness btn the two... and i believe Larry would rather give someone else a 'win' rather than get a possibly better deal with Danny and risking that DA get the 'win'

I don't believe they've ever made a trade.

In fact, even when we were signing Marquis Daniels as a FA Larry refused to do a sign and trade that could have netted him a minimal return (2nd rounder) and trade exception - instead LB opted to get... NOTHING!

Yeah, I LongTimeFan backed this up with an anecdote in another thread (think it had "hope" in the title if you want to dig it up), basically saying that even though the Cs were interested in Stephenson the Pacers would rather let him get away for nothing (like they did) than work out a sign-and-trade with the Cs to at least salvage some sort of asset in return. The implication was that Larry set the price at "Rondo" in any/all sign-and-trade scenarios involving Lance.

Except that what actually happened contradicts this theory. They didn't want to take back salary... from anyone... and they didn't. It apparently (based on what actually happened) had nothing to do with Bird Vs Ainge.

[rickrolled]

They can't afford him. Too close to the luxury tax and they definitely won't pay it now.

Edit - actually let's just keep these in the trade thread.

Sloan, Whittington could be waived.

Scola could get waived too but I think he stays.

So they could have close to 4 million to offer for the 1st year to Turner. That's more than we could offer him.

Are there ethical issues to going back on an agreement like that? I am curious why the Turner signing was announced more than a week ago yet not final. Can a player renig on such an agreement?

Idk, I think legally they could backtrack from the deal if it isnt signed.

[rickrolled]

They can't afford him. Too close to the luxury tax and they definitely won't pay it now.

Edit - actually let's just keep these in the trade thread.

Sloan, Whittington could be waived.

Scola could get waived too but I think he stays.

So they could have close to 4 million to offer for the 1st year to Turner. That's more than we could offer him.

That was in response to the OP, meant that Indiana would have to send out way more salary to add Green.

My bad, I thought it was me because your reply came after mine.

[Jammer]

Just wondering what it would take to get the 76ers to part with Emiid.

The 76ers have like $30 million in cap space, so the Celtics could send Philadelphia a bunch of players (plus a pick) in exchange for Embiid.

I don't believe that Joel Embiid has signed a contract yet with Philadelphia.

Since Philadelphia hasn't even attempted to sign anyone of note,
this may be an indication that Embiid would rather be someplace else.

Recall that the night before the draft Embiid tweeted "I'm gonna be a Laker",
then deleted the tweet,
while we watched Embiid and his family
watch the actual draft from his agent, Arn Tellem, home in Los Angeles.

[GreenMachine]

Just wondering what it would take to get the 76ers to part with Emiid.

The 76ers have like $30 million in cap space, so the Celtics could send Philadelphia a bunch of players (plus a pick) in exchange for Embiid.

I don't believe that Joel Embiid has signed a contract yet with Philadelphia.

Since Philadelphia hasn't even attempted to sign anyone of note,
this may be an indication that Embiid would rather be someplace else.

Recall that the night before the draft Embiid tweeted "I'm gonna be a Laker",
then deleted the tweet,
while we watched Embiid and his family
watch the actual draft from his agent, Arn Tellem, home in Los Angeles.

LeBron James. Kevin Durant. MAYBE Anthony Davis. If you don't have one of those players to offer... you aren't getting Embiid. Period. Zero chance. None. Nada. Not happening.

Jammer - have aliens snatched your brain? First you claim that James Young has more trade value then Marcus Smart (and that they both have more trade value then Kelly or Sully) and now this... what's going on with you? Catch that ebola?

[irie]

Just wondering what it would take to get the 76ers to part with Emiid.

The 76ers have like $30 million in cap space, so the Celtics could send Philadelphia a bunch of players (plus a pick) in exchange for Embiid.

I don't believe that Joel Embiid has signed a contract yet with Philadelphia.

Since Philadelphia hasn't even attempted to sign anyone of note,
this may be an indication that Embiid would rather be someplace else.

Recall that the night before the draft Embiid tweeted "I'm gonna be a Laker",
then deleted the tweet,
while we watched Embiid and his family
watch the actual draft from his agent, Arn Tellem, home in Los Angeles.

What are those bunch of players for Embiid? I'm assuming you're starting with Smart, Sullinger, and Olynyk. Embiid's value right now undoubtedly trumps his ceiling as a player due to being a young, unknown at this point, and high potential center. I don't think the Celtics could (or should) pay whatever it takes to get him.

As for him not wanting to be there because they haven't signed anyone... Well he's not even playing this year so I'm not sure how much he cares. He's also a kid and is probably happy right bow just to be in the NBA. Everything he has said has been very pro-Philly (he even tried to recruit LeBron to play there on Twitter ... Lol).

[Jammer]

Just wondering what it would take to get the 76ers to part with Joel Embiid.

The 76ers have like $30 million in cap space, so the Celtics could send Philadelphia a bunch of players (plus a pick) in exchange for Embiid.

I don't believe that Joel Embiid has signed a contract yet with Philadelphia.

Since Philadelphia hasn't even attempted to sign anyone of note,
this may be an indication that Embiid would rather be someplace else.

Recall that the night before the draft Embiid tweeted "I'm gonna be a Laker",
then deleted the tweet,
while we watched Embiid and his family
watch the actual draft from his agent, Arn Tellem, home in Los Angeles.

LeBron James. Kevin Durant. MAYBE Anthony Davis. If you don't have one of those players to offer... you aren't getting Embiid. Period. Zero chance. None. Nada. Not happening.

Jammer - have aliens snatched your brain? First you claim that James Young has more trade value then Marcus Smart (and that they both have more trade value then Kelly or Sully) and now this... what's going on with you? Catch that ebola?

Look GreenMachine, you usually are very sensible, BUT, the kid is 19 and will not play for at least a year.

Have you seen Philadelphia's Depth Chart??? It's all D-Leaguers, the soon to be traded Thaddeus Young, and the returning Nerlens Noel, who sure looks like a C.

I would think if Philadelphia had any intention of putting a team on the floor
with a shred of respectability that something like
Jeff Green + Jared Sullinger + Celtic 2015 First Round Pick would do it.

[GreenMachine]

Just wondering what it would take to get the 76ers to part with Joel Embiid.

The 76ers have like $30 million in cap space, so the Celtics could send Philadelphia a bunch of players (plus a pick) in exchange for Embiid.

I don't believe that Joel Embiid has signed a contract yet with Philadelphia.

Since Philadelphia hasn't even attempted to sign anyone of note,
this may be an indication that Embiid would rather be someplace else.

Recall that the night before the draft Embiid tweeted "I'm gonna be a Laker",
then deleted the tweet,
while we watched Embiid and his family
watch the actual draft from his agent, Arn Tellem, home in Los Angeles.

LeBron James. Kevin Durant. MAYBE Anthony Davis. If you don't have one of those players to offer... you aren't getting Embiid. Period. Zero chance. None. Nada. Not happening.

Jammer - have aliens snatched your brain? First you claim that James Young has more trade value then Marcus Smart (and that they both have more trade value then Kelly or Sully) and now this... what's going on with you? Catch that ebola?

Look GreenMachine, you usually are very sensible, BUT, the kid is 19 and will not play for at least a year.

Have you seen Philadelphia's Depth Chart??? It's all D-Leaguers, the soon to be traded Thaddeus Young, and the returning Nerlens Noel, who sure looks like a C.

I would think if Philadelphia had any intention of putting a team on the floor
with a shred of respectability that something like
Jeff Green + Jared Sullinger + Celtic 2015 First Round Pick would do it.

Jammer - First, I really hope you didn't/don't take my jabs personally... I was/am fully kidding/being playful. I think you are a great poster... except the last few days you have been making me scratch my head.

Now... here is your problem: "if Philadelphia had any intention of putting a team on the floor
with a shred of respectability"

Guess what? THEY DON'T!!! If they did, they probably wouldn't have taken Embiid in the first place. Now that they have taken him and committed to waiting a year... they believe (and rightfully so) that they got the BEST player in a GREAT draft. Embiid if/when healthy should be the most dominant player from that draft and one of the most dominant players in the league! Trading him now makes no sense at all. They would be trading him at his very lowest value. As far as Philly is concerned, a year from now they will have one of the best young bigs in the game... actually two... and they are super excited about it. They spent all last year loosing on purpose and selling off quality players... all to get that draft pick... all to get Embiid! They just completed one of the most blatant and complete tank jobs in the history of the NBA... and you think they are giving up the spoils for Green/Sully and a pick that could be anywhere from #1 to #20 (depending on what in season trades the Celts make)?

So... if they were going to trade him... it would be like the Cavs trading Wiggins. The Cavs wouldn't even THINK about trading Wiggins if not for LeBron. Philly doesn't have LeBron... so why would they even think about trading Embiid? Even if they wanted to trade him... we don't have Kevin Love to send back.

Ask yourself honestly... if you were Philly and you were 100% ok with sucking for another year... would you trade Embiid? I sure as heck wouldn't.

[GreenMachine]

Don't believe me... go put Jeff Green + Jared Sullinger + Celtic 2015 First Round Pick for Embiid on the Philly board or on the General Board and see how quickly you get laughed out of town. If you did a pole, my guess would be about 95% would say HECK NO.

[bucknersrevenge]

I don't know if it has been thrown out in this thread or the Green thread but I know Hibbert's value is a bit depressed right now and I can't imagine it getting much better this year without a star guard like George to play off of in a walk year. Same deal goes for our depressed value PG of course. We could switch a problem for a problem.

Bird has always been a fan of Rondo's in getting him, he would have a better facilitator than Hill to run the offense. Hill could actually slide over to the 2 and simplify his own game as a placeholder for George next year. He can just focus on scoring and less on playmaking. Rondo will have West to run pick n roll with and Mahinmi will still be there. And if they keep that exception, they can still get a Marion or whomever to play the 3 for the time being. Larry would have the option of resigning Rondo to go with a healthy George setting up for him the way Rondo did for Paul.

For us, we get a 1 year tryout on Hibbert and see if he can regain his All-Star form. It helps solidify our frontcourt potentially, slotting Zeller in at C behind him. In Hibbert, we would finally have the rim protector we desired with Smart and AB as defensive stalwarts in the backcourt with Green staying on at SF and Thornton coming off the bench as instant offense. It could be a win win deal for both teams.

[Captain_Caveman]

If we not sold on Rondo at $20m or think he is a flight risk, how about Rondo/Wallace for Amare/Larkin/2015 pick swap rights with Clippers pick/2018 unprotected pick?

We'd end up with something like the following in a year:

Larkin
Smart/Bradley
Turner/Young
Sullinger/Olynyk
Zeller

4th, 16th, 31st, 34th picks in 2015 draft
Up to $37m or so in cap room
Bird Rights on Green and Bass
2016 picks - Own, Nets and Cavs 1sts; Sixers and Heat 2nds
2017 picks - Better of own/Nets 1sts
2018 picks - Own, Nets, Knicks 1sts

If we had to, I'd do it.

[GreenMachine]

If we not sold on Rondo at $20m or think he is a flight risk, how about Rondo/Wallace for Amare/Larkin/2015 pick swap rights with Clippers pick/2018 unprotected pick?

We'd end up with something like the following in a year:

Larkin
Smart/Bradley
Turner/Young
Sullinger/Olynyk
Zeller

4th, 16th, 31st, 34th picks in 2015 draft
Up to $37m or so in cap room
Bird Rights on Green and Bass
2016 picks - Own, Nets and Cavs 1sts; Sixers and Heat 2nds
2017 picks - Better of own/Nets 1sts
2018 picks - Own, Nets, Knicks 1sts

If we had to, I'd do it.

We could surly get better value for Rondo. And if we are trading Rondo... there is absolutely no reason to move Wallace. We would have tons of cap space and no one to spend it on...

[Captain_Caveman]

If we not sold on Rondo at $20m or think he is a flight risk, how about Rondo/Wallace for Amare/Larkin/2015 pick swap rights with Clippers pick/2018 unprotected pick?

We'd end up with something like the following in a year:

Larkin
Smart/Bradley
Turner/Young
Sullinger/Olynyk
Zeller

4th, 16th, 31st, 34th picks in 2015 draft
Up to $37m or so in cap room
Bird Rights on Green and Bass
2016 picks - Own, Nets and Cavs 1sts; Sixers and Heat 2nds
2017 picks - Better of own/Nets 1sts
2018 picks - Own, Nets, Knicks 1sts

If we had to, I'd do it.

We could surly get better value for Rondo. And if we are trading Rondo... there is absolutely no reason to move Wallace. We would have tons of cap space and no one to spend it on...

Can we?

I think we are in a very tough situation with Rondo, and been saying that for a while. For starters, guy is an unrestricted FA next summer with excellent market value, and holds nearly all the cards in this. Ultimately, we either give him $20m a year or he goes to someone who will. Given that teams like the Lakers and Knicks probably would, his trade market is likely *very* small.

You can cross like 20-25 teams off the list right from the jump. Sacto could offer rivers flowing with chocolate and gold, and it wouldn't matter a bit, because he kills that dead on contact by saying he won't resign there. He probably already did that, in fact. And if it is clear that he isn't going to get that $20m a year from us, what obligation does he have to extort his new team for value?

It's been copasetic because we are propping him up as the franchise player and because the stink of giving him $20m a year would have been masked had he been able to recruit Love and Melo, or whoever, but if we decide not to pay him the big money he clearly thinks he is worth, it could get ugly in a hurry, particularly in midst of a protracted rebuild. We have always known this.

Conventional wisdom coming into this season was that we got Love or we trade Rondo. Don't forget that Ainge has nearly traded this guy like 50 times already and repeatedly slandered him anonymously in the press in order to reduce his market value on the first extension. There is no **** way he is going to turn around at this point, after 5 years of being underpaid, and see what Hayward got, and hear about the cap jumping in 2016 and decide to take $15m a year from us or whatever.

If we are not willing to back up the Brinks truck for him, he has gotta go ASAP to a team that he is willing to resign with - for whatever we can get.

There are other ways to play it, but what I am saying is totally reasonable (except maybe for the Rondo playing for Phil in the Triangle part, lol). If he gets dealt, it will look a lot like that... in a best case scenario, IMO.

Last, cap space is good for more than just free agents. It facilitates trades by removing CBA restrictions, and opens up the possibility of acquiring assets by taking on large expirings (Utah got two unprotected 1sts from the Ws last year for doing exactly that). We just got Zeller and a 1st for taking on Thornton, if you recall.

[cl2117]

If we not sold on Rondo at $20m or think he is a flight risk, how about Rondo/Wallace for Amare/Larkin/2015 pick swap rights with Clippers pick/2018 unprotected pick?

We'd end up with something like the following in a year:

Larkin
Smart/Bradley
Turner/Young
Sullinger/Olynyk
Zeller

4th, 16th, 31st, 34th picks in 2015 draft
Up to $37m or so in cap room
Bird Rights on Green and Bass
2016 picks - Own, Nets and Cavs 1sts; Sixers and Heat 2nds
2017 picks - Better of own/Nets 1sts
2018 picks - Own, Nets, Knicks 1sts

If we had to, I'd do it.

We could surly get better value for Rondo. And if we are trading Rondo... there is absolutely no reason to move Wallace. We would have tons of cap space and no one to spend it on...

Can we?

I think we are in a very tough situation with Rondo, and been saying that for a while. For starters, guy is an unrestricted FA next summer with excellent market value, and holds nearly all the cards in this. Ultimately, we either give him $20m a year or he goes to someone who will. Given that teams like the Lakers and Knicks probably would, his trade market is likely *very* small.

You can cross like 20-25 teams off the list right from the jump. Sacto could offer rivers flowing with chocolate and gold, and it wouldn't matter a bit, because he kills that dead on contact by saying he won't resign there. He probably already did that, in fact. And if it is clear that he isn't going to get that $20m a year from us, what obligation does he have to extort his new team for value?

It's been copasetic because we are propping him up as the franchise player and because the stink of giving him $20m a year would have been masked had he been able to recruit Love and Melo, or whoever, but if we decide not to pay him the big money he clearly thinks he is worth, it could get ugly in a hurry, particularly in midst of a protracted rebuild. We have always known this.

Conventional wisdom coming into this season was that we got Love or we trade Rondo. Don't forget that Ainge has nearly traded this guy like 50 times already and repeatedly slandered him anonymously in the press in order to reduce his market value on the first extension. There is no **** way he is going to turn around at this point, after 5 years of being underpaid, and see what Hayward got, and hear about the cap jumping in 2016 and decide to take $15m a year from us or whatever.

If we are not willing to back up the Brinks truck for him, he has gotta go ASAP to a team that he is willing to resign with - for whatever we can get.

There are other ways to play it, but what I am saying is totally reasonable (except maybe for the Rondo playing for Phil in the Triangle part, lol). If he gets dealt, it will look a lot like that... in a best case scenario, IMO.

Last, cap space is good for more than just free agents. It facilitates trades by removing CBA restrictions, and opens up the possibility of acquiring assets by taking on large expirings (Utah got two unprotected 1sts from the Ws last year for doing exactly that). We just got Zeller and a 1st for taking on Thornton, if you recall.

Here's the thing about a trade like the one you suggested though, if the Knicks would pull the trigger on that kind of deal today, they'd do it in October, at Christmas or at the deadline. If they're trading for Rondo this year, rather than waiting until the offseason to chase him in free agency like many of their fans suggest, that means they are trading for him to compete this year.

Now keeping that in mind, yeah you're right that might be the most we can muster for Rondo because he is going to be picky about resigning places and no team is going to pay for a rental. On top of that PG is really deep league wide right now and there aren't that many teams that are going to be aggressively pursuing Rondo.

BUT I think we can all agree that Rondo should net more than a couple mid-late firsts and cap space, which is the type of deal that they can get basically at any time in the future. So why sell low on him now rather than waiting to see if a better market develops as the summer/season progresses?

All you need is one major injury to shake things up and get teams more involved (just look at Paul George's injury and the knock on effects), or Rondo being more open to resigning somewhere like Sacramento if he is told that he is being traded and all of a sudden your return goes from Larkin and meh to something much closer to Rondo's actual value.

So what's the disadvantage of waiting out the market to see if it will pick up? Well a) we will win more games with Rondo than without, but if Stevens leans heavily on the kids then it won't make too big a difference. b) Smart won't get as much court time, but I'd argue that the experience of working with Rondo more than makes up for the minutes he might miss out on.

So if this is the kind of deal Boston could get at any point really, and the disadvantages of holding onto Rondo for a little longer are minimal at best, while the potential to get a much better return for your only remaining star, why trade him now for this?

[ryaningf]

I would not be surprised if Bird never consumates a trade with Danny, just too much past rivalry/competitiveness btn the two... and i believe Larry would rather give someone else a 'win' rather than get a possibly better deal with Danny and risking that DA get the 'win'

I don't believe they've ever made a trade.

In fact, even when we were signing Marquis Daniels as a FA Larry refused to do a sign and trade that could have netted him a minimal return (2nd rounder) and trade exception - instead LB opted to get... NOTHING!

Yeah, I LongTimeFan backed this up with an anecdote in another thread (think it had "hope" in the title if you want to dig it up), basically saying that even though the Cs were interested in Stephenson the Pacers would rather let him get away for nothing (like they did) than work out a sign-and-trade with the Cs to at least salvage some sort of asset in return. The implication was that Larry set the price at "Rondo" in any/all sign-and-trade scenarios involving Lance.

Except that what actually happened contradicts this theory. They didn't want to take back salary... from anyone... and they didn't. It apparently (based on what actually happened) had nothing to do with Bird Vs Ainge.

Except that it doesn't. If you buy their post-transaction rationalization that they didn't want to take back salary, there were still other ways in which to provide compensation, specifically draft picks and $$$. In that scenario, you use unguaranteed contracts to create a trade that offsets most of whatever contract Lance was given and then pick up a couple picks in the process.

CHA could sign Lance outright and they did and so had no use of getting IND involved in the transaction. Boston needed help and probably would have paid for it--but IND made the calculation that they'd rather let Lance get away for nothing than extract something in return for him from Boston. Whether that's hubris or a Larry/Danny thing, who's to say, but it's a questionable decision that suggests there's more to the story.

What it suggests to me is that Larry was fine letting Lance go to some crap team (sorry Bobcat fan) and putting up #s that nobody will notice but he wasn't fine with him going to Boston and making Larry potentially look foolish in front of the same fans who once adored him. Thus, in asking for Rondo in exchange, he set the price so high that he saves face should Lance come to Boston and explode.

Danny is a guy who'd make a deal with the devil if he thought it was beneficial. Larry strikes me as a guy who holds grudges, somebody would rather hardball his old teammate than work out a deal that benefits both sides (unlike say Kevin McHale). The irony is that in playing this inside game with Ainge, Larry cleared the board for Jordan to swoop in and get Lance at below market deal for short years.

[2Mas]

Just wondering what it would take to get the 76ers to part with Joel Embiid.

The 76ers have like $30 million in cap space, so the Celtics could send Philadelphia a bunch of players (plus a pick) in exchange for Embiid.

I don't believe that Joel Embiid has signed a contract yet with Philadelphia.

Since Philadelphia hasn't even attempted to sign anyone of note,
this may be an indication that Embiid would rather be someplace else.

Recall that the night before the draft Embiid tweeted "I'm gonna be a Laker",
then deleted the tweet,
while we watched Embiid and his family
watch the actual draft from his agent, Arn Tellem, home in Los Angeles.

LeBron James. Kevin Durant. MAYBE Anthony Davis. If you don't have one of those players to offer... you aren't getting Embiid. Period. Zero chance. None. Nada. Not happening.

Jammer - have aliens snatched your brain? First you claim that James Young has more trade value then Marcus Smart (and that they both have more trade value then Kelly or Sully) and now this... what's going on with you? Catch that ebola?

Look GreenMachine, you usually are very sensible, BUT, the kid is 19 and will not play for at least a year.

Have you seen Philadelphia's Depth Chart??? It's all D-Leaguers, the soon to be traded Thaddeus Young, and the returning Nerlens Noel, who sure looks like a C.

I would think if Philadelphia had any intention of putting a team on the floor
with a shred of respectability that something like
Jeff Green + Jared Sullinger + Celtic 2015 First Round Pick would do it.

Agreeing 100% with Greenmachine. It's kinda obvious that Philly is not trying to put a team on the floor. In fact they love their dleaguers for another year.

MCW-2015 1st-Noel-Embiid will be a great core moving forward, but that entitles another year of tanking this year. Think next year they'll spend their.

The philly tank is kinda being over blown. After this year they'll be too good to purposely tank. MCW 3rd year Noel 2nd year & adding 2 top 3 picks will keep them out of the basement. Plus w/ Saric coming over the following year, they'll be rapidly improving after the 14-15 season.

They do need to add a lot of cap though. Prob will add Amare or a big expiring to hit that floor. I'd just offer Bledsoe a really big deal. But Hinkie has a multiyear plan.

But Greenmachine's right. Another blatant tank year for Philly.

[bucknersrevenge]

What about offering Sully, Zeller, draft picks and/or filler for Hibbert outright? If you think Indy may have no choice but to rebuild given their situation, why not help Larry get started? You can even offer Green if he thinks he might want to resign him to go along with a healthy George on the wing for next year.

[canman1971]

What about offering Sully, Zeller, draft picks and/or filler for Hibbert outright? If you think Indy may have no choice but to rebuild given their situation, why not help Larry get started? You can even offer Green if he thinks he might want to resign him to go along with a healthy George on the wing for next year.

Hibbert is overrated. No thanks.