Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

Avalanche · Post #321 » by **Avalanche** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:36 pm

Would think they would go after Wilson Chandler as well if "everyone" is available in Denver like is reported

Koufos would be a nice fit here obviously, but would leave them with a hole at backup C

If we're going to embrace the tank, think I would just take Prince/Adams/future 1st, buy out Prince and be done with it

I'm worried that if we make it to the offseason with Green still on the roster that Ainge will do what he did with Avery and lock him up long term before anyone else even gets a chance to make him an offer... and it will be for a LOT

shawn unkempt · Post #322 » by **shawn unkempt** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:50 pm

brackdan70 wrote:Deng is 29...one of the top 6 or 7 SFs in the league... makes slightly more than Green and also has a player option next year. If Memphis can get him thats great for them, but I can't see Miami being willing to part with him at this point. Bosh is locked up long term, Wade with a player option, McRoberts back next year...I would guess they would want to try and give it a run next year with those guys. I don't think Danny is at all desperate to make a move... there are a few other teams out there that could use Green.

Is Deng still that good? He's fallen off pretty badly since his peak in Chicago, his numbers are just as inconsistent as Green's and his health is always a major concern. I guess that just shows how shallow the depth is at SF.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #323 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:51 pm

Shamrock wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/553221215591346176[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/553221464741384192[/tweet]

Interesting that Koufos was at least in discussions.. I wonder who backed out- sounds like CLE wanted Mozgov..

shawn unkempt · Post #324 » by **shawn unkempt** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:53 pm

andy582 wrote:
Shamrock wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/553221215591346176[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/553221464741384192[/tweet]

Interesting that Koufos was at least in discussions.. I wonder who backed out- sounds like CLE wanted Mozgov..

I think the difference is that Mozgov is still under contract for next season at a reasonable price and Koufus is an expiring. Who knows how much he'll make on the open market.

Would've been great to snag one of those firsts though.

Post #325 » by **165bows** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:53 pm

So putting the three recent reports together I am going to guess Ainge is asking for a pick with reverse protection like the one that he got for Rondo, that also also devolves into some very lightly protected pick the years following. For something so far in the future that is a big gamble, so Memphis is trying to finagle something less risky. That's where I'd guess they are at right now.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #326 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:57 pm

sully00 wrote:
andy582 wrote:
sully00 wrote:
Floyd survived for 3 1/2 terrible seasons before resigning he had a 5 year deal. I am not being critical of Stevens he is just screwed much like Floyd was. How exactly are they going to be competitive next year if they trade away all of their good veteran players? They are going to be worse.

Who's left to trade away? Green's the only impact vet on this team right now. As long as they don't whiff in the lottery and do a Villanueva/Gordon free agent binge, the rebuild will be done in August. It'll just be seasoning after that.

The Smart/Young draft was clearly the best since 2004. They get another future star at the 3 (Oubre? Johnson?) or the 5 (Okafor, Towns, WCS) and sign one or two impact free agents and they're done.

I don't have a problem with the picks, I like the players but James Young can't even stay in a jersey yet and people think he is going to score 20ppg in the NBA next year? This team is competitive right now because of Green, Thornton, Sullinger, Turner, and Bass. If you move those guys and replace them with draft picks you are the Sixers. Adding more rookies is not going to win you more games. If you have no veteran stars to play with then nobody worth a damn is taking your FA money. That is why you are hearing the Indiana University rumors because the writing is on the wall.

I am not really being critical here I don't know what Ainge's options really were. Does anyone really want Brandon Bass at 7 mil even for free? I am just saying that half stepping like he has will likely mean Steven's fails as a head coach. There is no reason for it to take 3 years to bottom out into a 15-20 win team. I guess you could go with the idea that there will only be a 2 or 3 guys left from this team in 2 years so it will be like starting over again.

Thornton's been out a month... Green and Sullinger keep us competitive about half the time, when they show up.. Turner has been a surprise. Bass is easily replaced. Zeller and Bradley have a bigger role in keeping us competitive.. You're going for the blunt realist take, but this time it's overly cynical..

BfB · Post #327 » by **BfB** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:07 pm

sully00 wrote:
mwhis21 wrote:
sully00 wrote:
It would be relocate not another dept and how would your job performance likely be while you waited to be relocated?

I'm not missing the point at all, you missed it from the start. The point should be: Why is Jeff Green dogging it in a contract year? Or why has he been dogging it since Rondo was traded?

If you or I get fired, we don't get paid. But if I'm worth a damn as a sales person I probably have some stock-option benefit in my agreement so I benefit from said sale of company. Stock options are my benefit, securing a long term, high-dollar contract is Green's.

Green is playing his way out of more guaranteed money. To me, that's baffling. It's the opposite of what most athlete's do. And I think that's because he's content already in life. I don't think he cares whether he gets 12mm per or 8mm per because regardless it's going to be MILLLIONS.

That's a guy I don't want on my team.

It isn't the opposite of what athletes do it happens all the time. It happened with Ray Allen, it happened with Rondo, now it is happening with Green and Bass. Green was playing for a contract and doing a great job of it. then Ainge pulled the plug. This isn't simply because he traded Rondo it is that once he did trade Rondo he made it clear Green was next.

Look at Evan Turner he did exactly what you are talking about balled all season then get relocated to a contender it didn't go well and the fact that he had a monster year in PHI meant nothing all anyone cared about was how it worked out in IND. Jeff Green's contract future is going to be where he finishes this season not where it started and he knows that likely isn't going to be Boston anymore. I am not saying he shouldn't still be giving an effort out there but I don't think how he plays between now and when he is dealt is going to define his season. His play changed once he knew he was waiting to be traded it is a distraction.

One of the "Fundamental Attribution Errors" is attributing what you see to personality and discounting situation.

Jeff Green has never played well when there has been a lack of clarity in terms of the roles of players on the team. He's been at his best when things have been simple and straight forward. I don't think he is "mailing it in" - I just think he is doing what he does when he doesn't understand what the hell is going on...play without conviction behind his actions.

Has he really looked any different demeanor-wise playing great and playing poorly? No, he pretty much has that sleepy, non-expressive face all the time. But, when he is playing bad it's simple to hold that against him as a sign he doesn't care. In reality, I think Green's play is a byproduct of him having to think on the court and not being able to just make decisive moves on instinct. He doesn't do well with change, never has...that's what we're seeing now.

I don't think Jeff Green is willfully costing himself money in some pre-adolescent emotional protest. I think past history indicates he simply makes worse decisions and gets worse results when roles and rotations are unclear.

Red2 · Post #328 » by **Red2** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:09 pm

with green gone we will struggle to score even more but I think we will be a better defensive team and will look more cohesive on the offensive end. as for stevens, at some point you need to allow him to build a team. constantly changing players makes his job even hard.er

gocelts · Post #329 » by **gocelts** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:16 pm

Lets take Koufos....?

Andrew McCeltic · Post #330 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:25 pm

shawn unkempt wrote:
andy582 wrote:
Shamrock wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/553221215591346176[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/553221464741384192[/tweet]

Interesting that Koufos was at least in discussions.. I wonder who backed out- sounds like CLE wanted Mozgov..

I think the difference is that Mozgov is still under contract for next season at a reasonable price and Koufus is an expiring. Who knows how much he'll make on the open market.

Would've been great to snag one of those firsts though.

Well, it's interesting.. I thought Koufos was off limits because he's their only back up center, but it sounds like his value's pretty low.. The Memphis board wishes the Green/Koufos swap had happened. We don't need any other bigs, and we'd have to find a third team to give up a pick or an asset..

GreenMachine · Post #331 » by **GreenMachine** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:26 pm

shawn unkempt wrote:
andy582 wrote:
Shamrock wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/553221215591346176[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/553221464741384192[/tweet]

Interesting that Koufos was at least in discussions.. I wonder who backed out- sounds like CLE wanted Mozgov..

I think the difference is that Mozgov is still under contract for next season at a reasonable price and Koufus is an expiring. Who knows how much he'll make on the open market.

Would've been great to snag one of those firsts though.

Mozgov played for Blatt in Russia. The Cavs wanted Mozgov, and were willing to overpay for him. Koufos was a backup plan.

klemen4 · Post #332 » by **klemen4** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:32 pm

If Im Memphis I would take Chandler(DEN) or Green easily

Chandler 6,7 mill and 7,1 mill.

DEN might again jump into this and take another first rounder.

But Im not worried, because one team will give first rounder, no doubt...but we will have to wait till deadline!

Post #333 » by **Parliament10** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:39 pm

So, can we just do this for picks? -- Cause we have absolutely no need for Tayshaun Prince, who will be 35 next month.

Avalanche · Post #334 » by **Avalanche** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:45 pm

Parliament10 wrote:So, can we just do this for picks? -- Cause we have absolutely no need for Tayshaun Prince, who will be 35 next month.

He's expiring and makes the money match, you would think they could just buy him out and let him join a contender for the rest of the season

Post #335 » by **Parliament10** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:51 pm

Avalanche wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:So, can we just do this for picks? -- Cause we have absolutely no need for Tayshaun Prince, who will be 35 next month.

He's expiring and makes the money match, you would think they could just buy him out and let him join a contender for the rest of the season

I get the money match -- and the expiring. -- We still don't have any use for his contract, though. We're under the cap, and we're already logjammed. -- If they ain't sending us a halfway decent Center, then we don't any bodies from them.

ballup · Post #336 » by **ballup** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:54 pm

Parliament10 wrote:So, can we just do this for picks? -- Cause we have absolutely no need for Tayshaun Prince, who will be 35 next month.

He can always be waived or does the stretch provision have to come into effect?

Andrew McCeltic · Post #337 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:54 pm

We're not under the cap, and salaries need to match. Gotta refresh your CBA expertise a little..

Andrew McCeltic · Post #338 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 10:55 pm

Prince would be bought out or waived.. He's expiring, his contract's up at the end of this season. Waiving him does him a favor because he leaves our team and doesn't clog the roster or cause problems, we still pay him his remaining 7ish million, and he's free to sign with any team he wants for the minimum (e.g. LAC)

Post #339 » by **Parliament10** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 11:09 pm

andy582 wrote:Prince would be bought out or waived.. He's expiring, his contract's up at the end of this season. Waiving him does him a favor because he leaves our team and doesn't clog the roster or cause problems, we still pay him his remaining 7ish million, and he's free to sign with any team he wants for the minimum (e.g. LAC)

Why the hell would we wanna do that!

I don't see this going through, for just Prince and some picks. I may be wrong, but I don't think so.
We don't need anyone getting paid that high, that we would waive.

irie · Post #340 » by **irie** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 11:13 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
Avalanche wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:So, can we just do this for picks? -- Cause we have absolutely no need for Tayshaun Prince, who will be 35 next month.

He's expiring and makes the money match, you would think they could just buy him out and let him join a contender for the rest of the season

I get the money match -- and the expiring. -- We still don't have any use for his contract, though. We're under the cap, and we're already logjammed. -- If they ain't send us a halfway decent Center, then we don't any bodies from them.

Celtics are over the cap. They'll need to match salaries within the trade rules, especially considering that Memphis is really close to the luxury tax and will absolutely not be willing to pay it. If they take on any more than $1m in salary more than they send out they will be a taxpayer, and no small market team will be willing to pay that.