The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[London2Boston]

PG13 is a dream. I hope the Pacers fully meltdown the rest of the way and they have some difficult decisions to make in the summer.

[Captain_Caveman]

supposed to be a trade thread, just saying

I think the conversation is pretty directly related to potential trades, tbh.

As in, how good is this team, how good is IT, how good do they need to be, and how can we get there? All very central questions to topics such as, "How much should be be willing to give up for Player A, B or C at this deadline?"

I'd argue that we are not close enough to make all-in moves right now, which is what 90% of this thread has been talking about.

[Writebloc]

supposed to be a trade thread, just saying

If there was a thread for this **** I would take it there.

PS did everyone hear that Paul George is hesitant on signing an extension?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18705368/paul-george-noncommittal-signing-contract-extension-indiana-pacers

Paul George hesitant on new Pacers contract, wants to 'play on a winning team'

NEW ORLEANS -- All-Star forward Paul George said Friday that he still longs to lead the Indiana Pacers to their first NBA championship but stopped short of guaranteeing that he will sign the lucrative contract extension that the team is expected to offer him this summer.

Asked about the estimated $219 million contract extension that Pacers president Larry Bird is poised to offer him in July, George told Marc Stein on ESPN Radio's Meet The All-Stars: "As I told Larry, I always want to play on a winning team. I always want to be part of a team that has a chance to win it [all]. That's important.

"Say what you want; I want to compete for something. It's frustrating just playing the game for stats or for numbers or to showcase yourself. Man, I want a chance to play for a chance to win a championship.

"I wanted to be the first and want to be the first to be able to bring a championship to Indiana. So that's still on my mind ... and something I definitely want to achieve in Indiana."

From the moment the NBA's new labor agreement materialized, it has been widely assumed that the Pacers would resist all external interest in George in advance of Thursday's trade deadline -- most notably from the Boston Celtics -- so they could try to sign George to the $219 million extension this summer.

In a January interview with The Indianapolis Star, Bird said: "Yeah, we want to keep him here long term. That's the plan."

Bird also told the newspaper: "Before the year started, I told Paul and I said: 'Look, if you want to sign a long-term deal, we're willing to do that max. And if you want to wait, I understand.' But this year, we're not going to worry about it, we're not going to talk about it, and he's going to make the decision that's best for Paul when it comes down to it."

George has two seasons left on his current contract -- valued at $40.2 million -- but has the right to opt out of the second year and become a free agent in the summer of 2018.

[BigTrade92]

Assuming Wyc fires DA for any basketball related reason? "Absolute stupidity."
Comparing trading for TC now to trading Pierce/Garnett to the Nets for multiple #1s? "literally" "absolute stupidity"
Comparing Bogut to TC because they happen to both be bigs? "literally" "just like" "absolute stupidity"

Repeatedly relying on hyperbole is a leading indicator of lack of contact with reality.

Yes. Yes you are taking crazy pills.

Bro you're on a Celtics message board. Save the couch therapist routine for your family. No one on here cares.

I get that you seemingly get weak in the knees and wet down below when thinking about Tyson Chandler in a white and green uniform, but it will not happen.

The fact you keep peadling this trade show you have zero knowledge of the cap and how it effects the future of this team going forward.

Come quote me on it next Thursday when he's not a Boston Celtic.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

supposed to be a trade thread, just saying

If there was a thread for this **** I would take it there.

PS did everyone hear that Paul George is hesitant on signing an extension?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18705368/paul-george-noncommittal-signing-contract-extension-indiana-pacers

Paul George hesitant on new Pacers contract, wants to 'play on a winning team'

NEW ORLEANS -- All-Star forward Paul George said Friday that he still longs to lead the Indiana Pacers to their first NBA championship but stopped short of guaranteeing that he will sign the lucrative contract extension that the team is expected to offer him this summer.

Asked about the estimated $219 million contract extension that Pacers president Larry Bird is poised to offer him in July, George told Marc Stein on ESPN Radio's Meet The All-Stars: "As I told Larry, I always want to play on a winning team. I always want to be part of a team that has a chance to win it [all]. That's important.

"Say what you want; I want to compete for something. It's frustrating just playing the game for stats or for numbers or to showcase yourself. Man, I want a chance to play for a chance to win a championship.

"I wanted to be the first and want to be the first to be able to bring a championship to Indiana. So that's still on my mind ... and something I definitely want to achieve in Indiana."

From the moment the NBA's new labor agreement materialized, it has been widely assumed that the Pacers would resist all external interest in George in advance of Thursday's trade deadline -- most notably from the Boston Celtics -- so they could try to sign George to the $219 million extension this summer.

In a January interview with The Indianapolis Star, Bird said: "Yeah, we want to keep him here long term. That's the plan."

Bird also told the newspaper: "Before the year started, I told Paul and I said: 'Look, if you want to sign a long-term deal, we're willing to do that max. And if you want to wait, I understand.' But this year, we're not going to worry about it, we're not going to talk about it, and he's going to make the decision that's best for Paul when it comes down to it."

George has two seasons left on his current contract -- valued at $40.2 million -- but has the right to opt out of the second year and become a free agent in the summer of 2018.

Here's hoping that PG13 and Larry have an honest talk this weekend and discuss if he really wants to stay in Indiana. While it's true that they could always make a trade right before the draft, perhaps Bird might want to think of hitting the tank button now while he still can, and end up with 2 lottery picks in this deep draft.

[coach mang]

kailfers... yall tired about hearing about vucci but if he aint part of the plan in otown then they might b into an assortment of b and c level prospects... mayb send them back zeller, rozier, pretty jimmy OR jackson, and yabs and thats a good haul for o-town? sends them further down the standings and they can use rest of season to sort thru our dime a comic box and see if they can find a goodun.

mangIna would love to get vucci for a playoff run... would happily peel off a few of our lil debbies to do it yeahhhh

[Celts17Pride]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine

The Pistons and Magic have discussed a trade that would send Reggie Jackson to Orlando for D.J. Augustin and Jeff Green, league sources say.


Jeff Green still in the NBA?

[FlatearthZorro]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine

The Pistons and Magic have discussed a trade that would send Reggie Jackson to Orlando for D.J. Augustin and Jeff Green, league sources say.


Jeff Green still in the NBA?

I'm gonna go out there and say Jeff Green with agressiveness is 2x better than Chandler Parsons. I'm more worried about him being 20 mils a year player than Jeffrey.

[CelticFaninLBC]

tl;dr

I don't hate IT a bit. Just have a different impression of how to build a championship team, and not a pretender like the Raps or Horford Hawks. Regardless of my opinions on them, the Warriors are the gold standard right now. IMO, more of you IT pom-pom wavers should watch more of the Ws, to get a clearer idea of exactly how far away we are right now.

How many different franchises have even won titles since 1980, like 8-9? It's not good enough to be good enough in this league. More than any other sport, you have to be great. If we go for greatness and fall short, I can live with it. But there's no excuse for settling for pretty good just because you are entertained, and that's what an IT-led team is.

No idea how IT is an impediment to building a title team. The BKN Picks will need pieces around them, and IT can help draw guy a like Hayward to Boston.

GSW built their title on great college scouting. Steph, Klay and Drayton weren't top 5 picks. Also, didn't Jerry West, who's responsible for 10 or so titles since the 80's, help with those draft selections?

[CelticsLV]

"We're not looking for Band-Aids and we're not looking to give up future assets. We're trying to build something that is a little bit more sustainable than we are to rent a player."

"You can't just put a rebounder that can't shoot out on the court because it might provide a little bit of help on the rebounding end, but it takes away from what our strength is on the offensive end," Ainge said. "We know what our weaknesses are. We'd like rim protection and rebounding. But at the same time we do like skilled bigs to play around our guards."

Ainge also said somewhere something about injuries and that this team hasn't really played a lot together at full strenght. Basically pointing to that he wants to see this team after the all-star break at full strenght.

Don't expect even a trade for an expiring big. This is all you need to hear. No minor moves at all. It's either a blockbuster or a trade for someone who's in our future plans.

[bucknersrevenge]

My two cents which is 100% speculation.

Danny Ainge was on the radio yesterday and said the following:

A. Celtics looking for Improved Rim Protection (i.e. a Center)
B. Celtics looking for Improved Rebounding
C. Celtics greatest strength is big men that can shoot to leave space in the middle for IT.
D. No Band-Aids (i.e. No one entering free agency)
E. A player that can grow with the team (young player)
F. A player that will be around a while (i.e. good contract)

The Celtics greatest trade partner would be a rebuilding team because of all of the Celtics draft picks, young players and lack of stars on the Celtics roster.

Taking into account all of the above I still believe Nikola Vucevic is probably a main target for the Celtics. Orlando has already come out and said they are rebuilding. Vucevic has 2 years at $12 million per year left on his deal.

I'm guessing Orlando wants either Smart or Brown right now but closer to the deadline my settle for some combination of Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Young, Yabusele and draft picks.

Again just speculation but it just makes sense to me given what Ainge said yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Vucevic name again in rumors close to the deadline.

My two cents.

Quite possibly. I still think Nerlens best checks all of those boxes with the added benefit of being an RFA. We can still sign or trade for a major free agent and then resign him afterward to keep him and I think at 22 with his current skill level, he is worth keeping and adding to our core. I like Vooch as well but I don't think he allows us as many additional options.

[Captain_Caveman]

tl;dr

I don't hate IT a bit. Just have a different impression of how to build a championship team, and not a pretender like the Raps or Horford Hawks. Regardless of my opinions on them, the Warriors are the gold standard right now. IMO, more of you IT pom-pom wavers should watch more of the Ws, to get a clearer idea of exactly how far away we are right now.

How many different franchises have even won titles since 1980, like 8-9? It's not good enough to be good enough in this league. More than any other sport, you have to be great. If we go for greatness and fall short, I can live with it. But there's no excuse for settling for pretty good just because you are entertained, and that's what an IT-led team is.

No idea how IT is an impediment to building a title team. The BKN Picks will need pieces around them, and IT can help draw guy a like Hayward to Boston.

GSW built their title on great college scouting. Steph, Klay and Drayton weren't top 5 picks. Also, didn't Jerry West, who's responsible for 10 or so titles since the 80's, help with those draft selections?

For all his positives, he's also a 5'8" defensive liability that needs the ball all the time, and who is a year away from making like 25% of our total payroll. There are likely ways it works with him, ways it works with him in a reduced role and ways it works without him altogether.

For my money, I keep the picks, try to sign Hayward, and then make a trade for another big man to play alongside Horford.

[Captain_Caveman]

"We're not looking for Band-Aids and we're not looking to give up future assets. We're trying to build something that is a little bit more sustainable than we are to rent a player."

"You can't just put a rebounder that can't shoot out on the court because it might provide a little bit of help on the rebounding end, but it takes away from what our strength is on the offensive end," Ainge said. "We know what our weaknesses are. We'd like rim protection and rebounding. But at the same time we do like skilled bigs to play around our guards."

Ainge also said somewhere something about injuries and that this team hasn't really played a lot together at full strenght. Basically pointing to that he wants to see this team after the all-star break at full strenght.

Don't expect even a trade for an expiring big. This is all you need to hear. No minor moves at all. It's either a blockbuster or a trade for someone who's in our future plans.

He'd give up that Minny 2nd for a stopgap big, I bet.

[Marvel]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine

The Pistons and Magic have discussed a trade that would send Reggie Jackson to Orlando for D.J. Augustin and Jeff Green, league sources say.


Jeff Green still in the NBA?

I'm gonna go out there and say Jeff Green with agressiveness is 2x better than Chandler Parsons. I'm more worried about him being 20 mils a year player than Jeffrey.

Parsons still in the league?

[Marvel]

"We're not looking for Band-Aids and we're not looking to give up future assets. We're trying to build something that is a little bit more sustainable than we are to rent a player."

"You can't just put a rebounder that can't shoot out on the court because it might provide a little bit of help on the rebounding end, but it takes away from what our strength is on the offensive end," Ainge said. "We know what our weaknesses are. We'd like rim protection and rebounding. But at the same time we do like skilled bigs to play around our guards."

Ainge also said somewhere something about injuries and that this team hasn't really played a lot together at full strenght. Basically pointing to that he wants to see this team after the all-star break at full strenght.

Don't expect even a trade for an expiring big. This is all you need to hear. No minor moves at all. It's either a blockbuster or a trade for someone who's in our future plans.

I can't wait when we get murdered on the boards in the playoffs and then Ainge will come out recycling the same tripe.

[darrendaye]

"We're not looking for Band-Aids and we're not looking to give up future assets. We're trying to build something that is a little bit more sustainable than we are to rent a player."

"You can't just put a rebounder that can't shoot out on the court because it might provide a little bit of help on the rebounding end, but it takes away from what our strength is on the offensive end," Ainge said. "We know what our weaknesses are. We'd like rim protection and rebounding. But at the same time we do like skilled bigs to play around our guards."

Ainge also said somewhere something about injuries and that this team hasn't really played a lot together at full strenght. Basically pointing to that he wants to see this team after the all-star break at full strenght.

Don't expect even a trade for an expiring big. This is all you need to hear. No minor moves at all. It's either a blockbuster or a trade for someone who's in our future plans.

He'd give up that Minny 2nd for a stopgap big, I bet.

How do you position yourself to try to someday pick the next Draymond Green, DeAndre Jordan, or Nikola Jokic if you throw away early 2nd round picks like Grandma gives away way too old candy?

[Banks2Pierce]

I can't wait when we get murdered on the boards in the playoffs and then Ainge will come out recycling the same tripe.

He better if teams are asking for a 1st for old rentals that aren't even upgrades.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Simmons dropped some Celtics tidbits in his most recent mailbag:

-Celtics are super high on Jaylen Brown
-Wyc wants the team to be "A Dark Horse Contender That's Also Pulling A Stealth Version Of Philly's Process With These Brooklyn Picks"
-Says Boston wouldn't offer a BKN pick AND Brown for George
-Would cap offer at BKN17+Crowder+Filler
-Considers Ball and Fultz "no-doubt-about-it franchise guys" [includes Duncan, Yao, LeBron, Melo, Dwight, Oden, Durant, Rose, Griffin, Wall, Davis and Towns in this category from last 20 years. Had Elton Brand, Kyrie, Wiggins, Jabari and Simmons as close. Omits Embiid, likely due to injury concerns].

[Murta]

Simmons dropped some Celtics tidbits in his most recent mailbag:
-Wyc wants the team to be "A Dark Horse Contender That's Also Pulling A Stealth Version Of Philly's Process With These Brooklyn Picks"

I hate to say it, but people don't understand how much money Wyc would make by doing this. He might literally sell the team for 5 bn USD in 2030 if Celtics manage to pull off 15 years of contending.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Simmons dropped some Celtics tidbits in his most recent mailbag:

-Celtics are super high on Jaylen Brown
-Wyc wants the team to be "A Dark Horse Contender That's Also Pulling A Stealth Version Of Philly's Process With These Brooklyn Picks"
-Says Boston wouldn't offer a BKN pick AND Brown for George
-Would cap offer at BKN17+Crowder+Filler
-Considers Ball and Fultz "no-doubt-about-it franchise guys" [includes Duncan, Yao, LeBron, Melo, Dwight, Oden, Durant, Rose, Griffin, Wall, Davis and Towns in this category from last 20 years. Had Elton Brand, Kyrie, Wiggins, Jabari and Simmons as close. Omits Embiid, likely due to injury concerns].

If we're trading for Paul George, then I really want Jaylen Brown to remain on the team so that they can push and challenge each other in practice. What a nightmare that would be for Lebron in a year or 2. He's gotta deal with PG13 for the first 10 minutes of the game, then have to go up against Jaylen Brown. The Cs could wear him down in a series.