Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[Parliament10]

Could we get John Collins in a Marcus Smart centric deal?

Smart>Collins in today’s NBA.

I wouldn't want to Trade any of our core, at this point.
It would have to be for someone spectacular.

[playa-hater]

Could we get John Collins in a Marcus Smart centric deal?

I for one would consider this and yet the Cap makes things so complex.. Wouldn't a trade now save Boston money this year (Smart -16 mil - Collins 4 mil) but then Collins as a RFA might get near a Max offer in 2021, therefor blowing the Cap out of the water??

[djFan71]

I'm pretty sure that the Horford ship has sailed. He still would be the only big on the floor in Brad's system, and that was what made him leave in the first place. Plus, that contract.....I'd rather keep Hayward anyway.

I'm definitely on team keep Hayward. But if you know he's gone after next year, then try to get something. But, after some sleep I agree that something shouldn't be Al.

ok lets say Hayward opts in, but tells Danny "I'm gone after this season" or Danny just wants to move on from Hayward after next season. Which ever MAY OR MAY NOT be the case, let's just say the Celtic brass realize that this is his last year with us. Personally, I would rather offer Hayward a sign and trade option after next season, or let him walk, if he turns down an extension from us, then to take on a bad contract or a bad player. I know we get no cap relief from him leaving, and it doesn't create any more cap space if we don't get anything in return. I also realize that it doesn't give us any kind of salary slot to sign a free agent, at least not that year. What we do gain is a year away from the repeater level of the lux tax. What I'm suggesting is playing hardball with his agent. We all know he is going to pick up his option, and it's very doubtful that an agreement can be reached on a number that both sides would be satisfied with, on a longer but team friendly contract. So, After Hayward picks up his option, let him play out the season. Then offer a contract around OR SLIGHTLY BELOW what Brown is making. If he excepts great, if not then offer to sign and trade where ever his agent can work out a deal. There will not be many teams that will have the kind of money he may want, and still be in contention for the playoffs. Also, the other FA's that will be available that off season are going to be taking the lions share of that FA money, (Giannis, Davis, LeBron, George, Ayton, Abebayo, Mitchell, Morant ) as well.

Don't get me wrong, I think Hayward would be really good for this team over the next 3 or 4 years, at the right price. But, If I am Danny, I'm not going to keep this team in lux tax hell any longer than I have too.

I agree with all that. I don't even really think it's hardball, though. Jaylen money starting THIS year with him reducing his salary and help us duck the tax and postpone repeater another year (past Kemba) is great. Jaylen money after he makes $34.1M next year isn't.

I'm only NOT taking on a bad contract to get rid of Gordon. It's to get #2 or some other asset. Gordon is still a positive in trade value, imo. Horford idea was an insomniac moment of weakness.... but a "bad" contract like Powell or Wright, I have no problems swallowing if the return in picks/assets warrants.

EDIT: Had the completely wrong word there.... fixed.

[The Corey's]

Could we get John Collins in a Marcus Smart centric deal?

Smart>Collins in today’s NBA.

I wouldn't want to Trade any of our core, at this point.
It would have to be for someone spectacular.

Danny Ainge, that you?

If we just keep changing out the bottom of the barrel nobody wants players then expect the same results.

Someone is getting moved. Hayward or Smart is my guess.

[The Corey's]

Could we get John Collins in a Marcus Smart centric deal?

I for one would consider this and yet the Cap makes things so complex.. Wouldn't a trade now save Boston money this year (Smart -16 mil - Collins 4 mil) but then Collins as a RFA might get near a Max offer in 2021, therefor blowing the Cap out of the water??

Does moving that 12 mil out get us out of this cap repeater tax issue and resets it? If so then I don't see why maintaining his bird rights and matching a contract is an issue there.

But like my previous post above says, if we run back the same guys were gonna get the same results.

[Dannyboy36]

Uggh the money is so confusing to me. I believe in what smart brings spirit wise but I’d love to see an offense of Kemba/ jaylen/ Hayward/ Tatum/ Collins. Can have lineups with both Theis and Collins in there I think too.

[MagicBagley18]

Atlanta isn’t moving Collins for smart IMO...his. Value is higher than that (not saying his value to winning or intangibles) just feel they can do better in a Collins return than smart.

Then there’s the money....Collins wants his max extension. Not saying he gets it but he’s gonna get paid in excess of 20 million- not sure we want that or can do that even if they were interested in Celtics deal for Collins

[Dannyboy36]

Atlanta isn’t moving Collins for smart IMO...his. Value is higher than that (not saying his value to winning or intangibles) just feel they can do better in a Collins return than smart.

Then there’s the money....Collins wants his max extension. Not saying he gets it but he’s gonna get paid in excess of 20 million- not sure we want that or can do that even if they were interested in Celtics deal for Collins

I wouldn’t be surprised if Smart wants that. I could see this being good for both teams. Collins is clearly the better player to me but see right on this forum there’s differing opinions on that.

[MagicBagley18]

Atlanta isn’t moving Collins for smart IMO...his. Value is higher than that (not saying his value to winning or intangibles) just feel they can do better in a Collins return than smart.

Then there’s the money....Collins wants his max extension. Not saying he gets it but he’s gonna get paid in excess of 20 million- not sure we want that or can do that even if they were interested in Celtics deal for Collins

I wouldn’t be surprised if Smart wants that. I could see this being good for both teams. Collins is clearly the better player to me but see right on this forum there’s differing opinions on that.

I mean Collins wants that...he probably gets 22, 23.....Collins has aLl star upside around the league I’d imagine- not saying I agree.

While smart is so much more of a winning player and imo the heart and soul of this team and that that’s invaluable, Collins has more “perceived” value around the league due to ceiling IMO. I don’t think Atlanta even entertains smart for Collins

[SmartWentCrazy]

Atlanta isn’t moving Collins for smart IMO...his. Value is higher than that (not saying his value to winning or intangibles) just feel they can do better in a Collins return than smart.

Then there’s the money....Collins wants his max extension. Not saying he gets it but he’s gonna get paid in excess of 20 million- not sure we want that or can do that even if they were interested in Celtics deal for Collins

Ehh— rumors were they wanted to deal him last deadline. Hes a poor fit with Trae long term for defensive purposes. I dont know who’s value is higher, but theyre within a draft pick of each other.

But I dont want Collins due to his upcoming contract. Hes gonna be overpaid and im good on him.

[MagicBagley18]

Atlanta isn’t moving Collins for smart IMO...his. Value is higher than that (not saying his value to winning or intangibles) just feel they can do better in a Collins return than smart.

Then there’s the money....Collins wants his max extension. Not saying he gets it but he’s gonna get paid in excess of 20 million- not sure we want that or can do that even if they were interested in Celtics deal for Collins

Ehh— rumors were they wanted to deal him last deadline. Hes a poor fit with Trae long term for defensive purposes. I dont know who’s value is higher, but theyre within a draft pick of each other.

But I dont want Collins due to his upcoming contract. Hes gonna be overpaid and im good on him.

I agree, I don’t want him either and I value smart higher but disagree on the value to get a deal done including both players. They may even want to deal him now like they did at the deadline but they’ll get a return better than smart imo and I’m a huge smart fan.

I’m sure if we could find a hawk’s insider or someone who would know how they perceive him it’s higher than a smart return unless it’s a Pretty good pick but again this is a weak draft. There’s always what a team asks for and what they can get but is bet they’d do better than smart

[SmartWentCrazy]

Atlanta isn’t moving Collins for smart IMO...his. Value is higher than that (not saying his value to winning or intangibles) just feel they can do better in a Collins return than smart.

Then there’s the money....Collins wants his max extension. Not saying he gets it but he’s gonna get paid in excess of 20 million- not sure we want that or can do that even if they were interested in Celtics deal for Collins

Ehh— rumors were they wanted to deal him last deadline. Hes a poor fit with Trae long term for defensive purposes. I dont know who’s value is higher, but theyre within a draft pick of each other.

But I dont want Collins due to his upcoming contract. Hes gonna be overpaid and im good on him.

I agree, I don’t want him either and I value smart higher but disagree on the value. They may even want to deal him now like they did at the deadline but they’ll get a return better than smart and I’m a huge smart fan.

I’m sure if we could find a hawk’s insider or someone who would know how they perceive him it’s higher than a smart return unless it’s a Pretty good pick but again this is a weak draft. There’s always what a team asks for and what they can get but is bet they’d do better than smart

Only disagreement— there is not a better fit next to Trae in the league than Smart. Given how he is the team, that means something.

[ConstableGeneva]

IND gets Edwards, Semi, 2020 POR 2nd
POR gets Kanter (opted in; absorbed via TPE)
BOS gets McDermott (expiring)

Minor move. Just adding shooter with size. I think he's not as bad at defense when surrounded by the right players. In the regular season, he led the team in oncourt defensive rating (players with at least 500 minutes). Can give us 18-20 minutes off the bench.

[Gomes3PC]

Smart>Collins in today’s NBA.

I wouldn't want to Trade any of our core, at this point.
It would have to be for someone spectacular.

Danny Ainge, that you?

If we just keep changing out the bottom of the barrel nobody wants players then expect the same results.

Someone is getting moved. Hayward or Smart is my guess.

Smart is exactly the guy you don't trade. He's on a way below market deal and has consistently improved. He is also incredibly versatile and durable.

Collins has no NBA position and doesn't defend. He's a tweener in a bad way and has bad habits playing for all those bad ATL squads.

[MagicBagley18]

Ehh— rumors were they wanted to deal him last deadline. Hes a poor fit with Trae long term for defensive purposes. I dont know who’s value is higher, but theyre within a draft pick of each other.

But I dont want Collins due to his upcoming contract. Hes gonna be overpaid and im good on him.

I agree, I don’t want him either and I value smart higher but disagree on the value. They may even want to deal him now like they did at the deadline but they’ll get a return better than smart and I’m a huge smart fan.

I’m sure if we could find a hawk’s insider or someone who would know how they perceive him it’s higher than a smart return unless it’s a Pretty good pick but again this is a weak draft. There’s always what a team asks for and what they can get but is bet they’d do better than smart

Only disagreement— there is not a better fit next to Trae in the league than Smart. Given how he is the team, that means something.

100%

[playa-hater]

Concerning M Smart, I have a Love hate for him, He is a BIG part of what I feel is the team identity, DEFENSE. and yet his "hero ball" act sometimes frustrates the shet out of me.

Bottom line is Smart as a full-time PG >>> playing the 2... If Smart was told by Stevens to run the 1 and just focus on creating for others and play his typical helter skelter defense, he would be nearly as untouchable as Tatum IMO. But he seemingly has a genetic need to Go into S Curry mode too often.

If Boston can get a really good value in return I am for it.. But an unproven rookie would not be it..

[Floody100]

Both Golden State & Minnesota looking to trade down for ‘win-now’ players. I don’t know if either team wants Hayward but It’s worth a call at least.

[playa-hater]

Strictly hypothetical, but what if Boston offered Smart and Hayward (2 win now players) for Wiggins Big contract (+ filler) and #2..

Would Boston look better with this lineup

Ce - Wiseman
PF - Tatum
SF - Wiggins
SG - J Brown
PG - Kemba

Still would have picks 14-26-30-47 and Grant Williams. R Williams, Theis, R Langford .

could easily trade up again, or draft a PG or even offer Rondo a deal..

Not saying I/Boston/GS would make this trade, just some food for thought.

[playa-hater]

Both Golden State & Minnesota looking to trade down for ‘win-now’ players. I don’t know if either team wants Hayward but It’s worth a call at least.

I think they are capped out, so would need to trade = salaries.

[Parliament10]

Smart>Collins in today’s NBA.

I wouldn't want to Trade any of our core, at this point.
It would have to be for someone spectacular.

Danny Ainge, that you?

If we just keep changing out the bottom of the barrel nobody wants players then expect the same results.

Someone is getting moved. Hayward or Smart is my guess.

They can move Hayward.
I don't consider him part of the core, going forward. It just didn't work out.

Move him and bring in a Big, and 2 decent Bench players.