Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[Captain_Caveman]

Her's my thing. Everyone in the US has already made up their mind on whether to get vaccinated or not. Practically no one is going to change their mind at this point. If you don't want to get vaccinated, fine. Just say it. It's your right in a free country.

But please do not try to dress it up behind junk science that you clearly don't even have a 3yo's understanding of. You are making complete fools of yourselves, and it is embarrassing to watch. This isn't an opinion or a debate or discussion, just a fact. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about at all. The things you are saying are demonstrably false pretty much across the board, to the extent they even qualify as coherent thoughts.

To those even trying to engage these people in rational arguments, why even bother? You might as well talk to a cat about the space program. These people's educations topped out years beneath being able to even understand the things that you are saying to them. They get their news from propaganda infotainment television and social media. They are not intellectually capable of having an actual discussion with you about science.

[ddb]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

This must be the first reliable piece of information you posted in 14 years. I look forward to your next reliable post in September 2035.

Spurs are a darkhorse in the Simmons race. You can remember that one too.

[Andrew McCeltic]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

I'm all set. no thanks. family friend of mine recently got fully vaccinated because they had a trip to Hawaii and the process was much easier if vaccinated...she's had her period EVERY DAY for MONTHS since the second dose. completely has thrown off her cycle.

and can you imagine what the actual numbers are? CDC is only sharing stuff they absolutely have to share....millions of unreported other issues from the vaccine. no question

Ok but dude, what does that story mean? She could have a different serious medical problem! And not go to the doctor because she thinks the vaccine caused it. I don’t know what you learned in school, but “correlation isn’t causation” is a basic fact about reality a lot of us were taught. It could be a TOTAL COINCIDENCE, a “spurious correlation”, and even if you mistrust the CDC, people like ex read science and know what it means, can tell a reliable study from a bad one because they go to school for YEARS and it’s hard. And scientific research (for which we can see results everywhere) does A LOT to figure out what’s coincidence or random chance and what’s a real effect. They even go overboard in acknowledging risk! And do it reliably and publicly. That doesn’t mean there aren’t quack doctors and exagerrated studies and sales pitches to peddle new drugs, it happens at least in psychiatry plenty.

[Slax]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

I'm all set. no thanks. family friend of mine recently got fully vaccinated because they had a trip to Hawaii and the process was much easier if vaccinated...she's had her period EVERY DAY for MONTHS since the second dose. completely has thrown off her cycle.

and can you imagine what the actual numbers are? CDC is only sharing stuff they absolutely have to share....millions of unreported other issues from the vaccine. no question

Dude your family friend needs to get checked out by her OB/GYN, months of uterine bleeding like that can often be a symptom of nasty and potentially fatal diseases like cervical cancer that need to be examined by a doctor and treated ASAP. I don't even want to argue about whether it's related to the vaccine, I don't give a ****, just make sure she goes to a doctor please for her own safety.

[ddb]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

I'm all set. no thanks. family friend of mine recently got fully vaccinated because they had a trip to Hawaii and the process was much easier if vaccinated...she's had her period EVERY DAY for MONTHS since the second dose. completely has thrown off her cycle.

and can you imagine what the actual numbers are? CDC is only sharing stuff they absolutely have to share....millions of unreported other issues from the vaccine. no question

Ok but dude, what does that story mean? She could have a different serious medical problem! And not go to the doctor because she thinks the vaccine caused it. I don’t know what you learned in school, but “correlation isn’t causation” is a basic fact about reality a lot of us were taught. It could be a TOTAL COINCIDENCE, a “spurious correlation”, and even if you mistrust the CDC, people like ex read science and know what it means, can tell a reliable study from a bad one because they go to school for YEARS and it’s hard. And scientific research (for which we can see results everywhere) does A LOT to figure out what’s coincidence or random chance and what’s a real effect. They even go overboard in acknowledging risk! And do it reliably and publicly. That doesn’t mean there aren’t quack doctors and exagerrated studies and sales pitches to peddle new drugs, it happens at least in psychiatry plenty.

I mean it's pretty obvious. It's my best friends sister in law. her and her husband were vaccinated...he's fine. she immediately starting having her period....and it hasn't stopped for months. seeing Dr's.. They are working on it, and keep going back to the vaccine.

Anyway, I'd like to make a truce because I'm too nice of a person to be saying mean things, and reading mean things from others... that's not in my DNA. Let's just all focus on Celtics basketball. I love REALGM. I've been on here since 07 and we have all collaborated on some wonderful basketball talk throughout the years. I don't want to make enemies and vice versa.

Obviously there are fundamental differences between us all. We are all unique which is great. That's what makes this country such a great place. we have freedom. we have rights. all that stuff. I have ZERO problems with anyone choosing to be vaccinated. in fact,I don't even need to know. that's an individuals choice which I respect. I just ask that you respect mine.

I'm **** pumped for the Celtics this season. They're deeper and more experienced. IME has a good problem on his hands trying to figure out the rotation. I'd much rather we all talk about basketball. We're all pretty good at that! lol.

Enjoy the weekend everyone. I apologize if I've said a few things out of character. Ex got me going....but it's not his fault...It's mine that I participated. Ex love you too brother. We are very clearly very different people. But I can guarantee you that we could have a really good time over cocktails and a basketball game.

Tatum Top 5 MVP this year. Preseason hot take

[Andrew McCeltic]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

I'm all set. no thanks. family friend of mine recently got fully vaccinated because they had a trip to Hawaii and the process was much easier if vaccinated...she's had her period EVERY DAY for MONTHS since the second dose. completely has thrown off her cycle.

and can you imagine what the actual numbers are? CDC is only sharing stuff they absolutely have to share....millions of unreported other issues from the vaccine. no question

Ok but dude, what does that story mean? She could have a different serious medical problem! And not go to the doctor because she thinks the vaccine caused it. I don’t know what you learned in school, but “correlation isn’t causation” is a basic fact about reality a lot of us were taught. It could be a TOTAL COINCIDENCE, a “spurious correlation”, and even if you mistrust the CDC, people like ex read science and know what it means, can tell a reliable study from a bad one because they go to school for YEARS and it’s hard. And scientific research (for which we can see results everywhere) does A LOT to figure out what’s coincidence or random chance and what’s a real effect. They even go overboard in acknowledging risk! And do it reliably and publicly. That doesn’t mean there aren’t quack doctors and exagerrated studies and sales pitches to peddle new drugs, it happens at least in psychiatry plenty.

I mean it's pretty obvious. It's my best friends sister in law. her and her husband were vaccinated...he's fine. she immediately starting having her period....and it hasn't stopped for months. seeing Dr's.. They are working on it, and keep going back to the vaccine.

Anyway, I'd like to make a truce because I'm too nice of a person to be saying mean things, and reading mean things from others... that's not in my DNA. Let's just all focus on Celtics basketball. I love REALGM. I've been on here since 07 and we have all collaborated on some wonderful basketball talk throughout the years. I don't want to make enemies and vice versa.

Obviously there are fundamental differences between us all. We are all unique which is great. That's what makes this country such a great place. we have freedom. we have rights. all that stuff. I have ZERO problems with anyone choosing to be vaccinated. in fact,I don't even need to know. that's an individuals choice which I respect. I just ask that you respect mine.

I'm **** pumped for the Celtics this season. They're deeper and more experienced. IME has a good problem on his hands trying to figure out the rotation. I'd much rather we all talk about basketball. We're all pretty good at that! lol.

Enjoy the weekend everyone. I apologize if I've said a few things out of character. Ex got me going....but it's not his fault...It's mine that I participated. Ex love you too brother. We are very clearly very different people. But I can guarantee you that we could have a really good time over cocktails and a basketball game.

Tatum Top 5 MVP this year. Preseason hot take

I’m fine with you as a person, I like you as a poster, but there are good reasons people are frustrated. And I can respect you and your right to disagree but I also ideally want to respect you by explaining what you seem to not know, the same way I’ve learned from you about basketball. You have every right to not change your mind! I don’t think you’re a dumb ignorant ****. But I would feel a lot better if I knew you were making an INFORMED decision and you’re not. Your friend’s experience isn’t obvious at all, I’m very happy to explain to you why the same way people once explained it to me. At least understand the counter argument before you finalize your choice. Like if you know what analytics are and the eye test and the behind the scenes league dynamics like you you have “better” takes than if you don’t. That’s really all I want from you personally. Hear me out until you understand what I’m saying.

[Tatumfor2]

Meanwhile...

Spoiler:

[truth18]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

This must be the first reliable piece of information you posted in 14 years. I look forward to your next reliable post in September 2035.

Fully agree. Also hi.

[SuperDeluxe]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

This must be the first reliable piece of information you posted in 14 years. I look forward to your next reliable post in September 2035.

Fully agree. Also hi.

[Andrew McCeltic]

https://nypost.com/2021/09/23/gorillas-shock-onlookers-with-oral-sex-at-bronx-zoo-video/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Curmudgeon]

Her's my thing. Everyone in the US has already made up their mind on whether to get vaccinated or not. Practically no one is going to change their mind at this point. If you don't want to get vaccinated, fine. Just say it. It's your right in a free country.

No, it isn't a "free" country. You are not free to walk around naked. You are not free to drive on the wrong side of the road. And you are not free to cut the heads off parking meters like Cool Hand Luke.

So if you want to be "free" and remain unvaccinated, please do it by yourself. Go home, shut the door, order everything from Amazon, watch TV, surf the web, get high, whatever.

But do not get near me or mine. I do not wish to risk death or serious illness from unvaccinated and unmasked people like you who think they have all the answers because some clown on Facebook told them what to think.

[canman1971]

Her's my thing. Everyone in the US has already made up their mind on whether to get vaccinated or not. Practically no one is going to change their mind at this point. If you don't want to get vaccinated, fine. Just say it. It's your right in a free country.

No, it isn't a "free" country. You are not free to walk around naked. You are not free to drive on the wrong side of the road. And you are not free to cut the heads off parking meters like Cool Hand Luke.

So if you want to be "free" and remain unvaccinated, please do it by yourself. Go home, shut the door, order everything from Amazon, watch TV, surf the web, get high, whatever.

But do not get near me or mine. I do not wish to risk death or serious illness from unvaccinated and unmasked people like you who think they have all the answers because some clown on Facebook told them what to think.

Exactly, a person has the right to decide for themselves, but they don't have the right to decide for others, which is what these freaking uneducated, brainwashed, ignorant, (use whatever adjective you want) don't understand.

[Andrew McCeltic]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

I'm all set. no thanks. family friend of mine recently got fully vaccinated because they had a trip to Hawaii and the process was much easier if vaccinated...she's had her period EVERY DAY for MONTHS since the second dose. completely has thrown off her cycle.

and can you imagine what the actual numbers are? CDC is only sharing stuff they absolutely have to share....millions of unreported other issues from the vaccine. no question

Dude your family friend needs to get checked out by her OB/GYN, months of uterine bleeding like that can often be a symptom of nasty and potentially fatal diseases like cervical cancer that need to be examined by a doctor and treated ASAP. I don't even want to argue about whether it's related to the vaccine, I don't give a ****, just make sure she goes to a doctor please for her own safety.

Yeah agree one hundred

[GoCeltics123]

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[Andrew McCeltic]

Feel like starting **** with all the deeb haters tho bc he’s totally wrong but you also have to keep perspective about risk - Moderna protection against delta is pretty good (Rob can comment), areas w more vaxed people are safer.. but overloading hospitals means like, people are going to die of heart attacks bc all the beds are taken.. and there are actually reports of Covid patients dying bc they’re demanding Ivermectin or refusing treatment ..

Anyway ddb I know everyone thinks I’m being a naive ass but I’m offering you a chance to discuss respectfully - if you decline or respond badly I will absolutely roast you every time you post like Nagasaki

[Green89]

It's very hard to find data in the media about breakthrough cases. I believe it is NBC Boston that continuously provides updates. A few days ago, they reported 1/3 of all state covid cases were among the vaccinated, and 29% of covid hospitalizations were vaccinated people. This is why I don't think it's wise that airlines and trains are only going to want negative tests from the unvaccinated. The vaccinated have it and spread it, too. It's not easy to find this data in other states.

There's no Proof here. Present some type of Link, or something.
Or just say that, this is your opinion. Don't present this as Factual.

Sorry, I read a lot of articles and too lazy to remember which one is which for a link to post. Here is one I found from the 10th, talking about the percentages. I'll look for the one remarking about 1/3 of current cases. If I post numbers, I saw it somewhere, not just an opinion.

https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2021/09/breakthrough-covid-hospitalizations-in-massachusetts-remain-below-30-of-total-as-state-reports-1726-new-infections.html

Breakthrough cases accounted for 181 of those hospitalizations — or 29% of total COVID cases in hospitals. The remaining 71% are among unvaccinated individuals, including those who may not have received a second dose of the vaccine. The percentage of breakthrough cases in the hospitals was at 30% last week, then dipped to 25% before rising again.

Couldn't find the original article I saw a week or two back when it said 1/3 of all cases in Massachusetts were vaccinated people. Here is an updated link I found, where for the week of 9/11-9/19, 35% of all cases were vaccinated people. So, it looks like it inched up to a bit more than 1/3 now.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/massachusetts-breakthrough-covid-19-cases-sept-21-2021/37681317#

[exculpatory]

Facts:
The vaccinated suffer much milder delta cases in general.
The sicker vaccinated are predominantly the elderly, the immunocompromised & at risk cohorts such as the obese & diabetics.
And the vaccinated transmit delta much much much less.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/

https://reachmd.com/news/reduction-in-infectious-sars-cov-2-shedding-in-vaccine-breakthrough-infections/2016796/?utm_source=30&utm_medium=20&utm_campaign=700491&utm_brand=1&utm_country=238

The unvaccinated & unmasked constitute the vast majority of the delta ICU cases & all **** cases.
Abhorrently, more & more critically ill non-Covid patients are dying for lack of ICU access in many places.
The unvaccinated & unmasked are transmitting the VAST majority of delta cases amongst each other & to the more vulnerable vaccinated (whose immune systems are being overwhelmed - in spite of having been responsibly vaccinated.
https://apple.news/AccOoDMO4R_iXiRIhXzM35A ttps://apple.news/AccOoDMO4R_iXiRIhXzM35A
The excessive transmission is resulting in more replication & thence more mutations which will likely give rise to variants even more problematic than delta.

Therefore, the unvaccinated are ignorant and/or dimwitted and/or selfish mother **** scumbags.
As Cave noted above, trying to politely educate most of them is a hopeless task & a waste of time. Exposing them to the best of the best peer reviewed Covid medical literature in existence (as I have done 50+ times in the 3 Covid threads) is analogous to exposing a first grader to advanced physics. They are either too stupid or willfully ignorant to understand. The simpleminded examples our good friend DDB continues to cite reflects his complete lack of insight into how proper medical research is performed. It appears that he is so so so stupid, arrogant & unaware that he does not even realize how he is embarrassing himself on a daily basis. What these people are doing is unforgivable. The people who continue to engage him are simply feeding the ‘beast of ignorance.’

The End

[Andrew McCeltic]

Giving ex a D for bedside manner, lolol

I think I do ok talking about this stuff, but understanding medical articles is hard for me and I spent a lot of time in school and my “combine results” on the zsATs were really good

[exculpatory]

Giving ex a D for bedside manner, lolol

I think I do ok talking about this stuff, but understanding medical articles is hard for me and I spent a lot of time in school and my “combined results” on the SATS were really good

1. Your SAT scores & college work are not within light years of 4 years of Med School, 5 years more of post-graduate specialization & decades of experiences teaching, caring for patients & writing/reviewing papers.
Do not feel badly.

2. My bedside manner is great with the average patient. This is different. This is willful ignorance off the scale. Did you read the article I posted about the thousands of docs who have lost all empathy for these morons? Do it.

3. Stop engaging that nitwit with your liberal “everyone gets a medal” “snowflake” **** afflicting your generation.

[Andrew McCeltic]

1. THAT IS MY POINT! That's what I'm saying about deeb. I am smart and educated and I can follow but there's a lot I'm ignorant of and I have some "basics" down already.

2. I'm sure it is. I have tremendous sympathy and empathy for you, the doctors and nurses who are dealing with this, and with irrational people. There was just reporting today on patients who refuse treatment, who demand Ivermectin, who die out of superstition and stubbornness. There's one story about a hospital in Montana where people are yelling in the ER and need to removed by security. It's incredibly frustrating for educated people!

But don't forget - I was just talking to someone irl about this - there are a lot of f*cking DUMB DUMBS who do get vaccinated, who don't understand science, who say "I got my Fauci ouchie!" or "Team Moderna"..

3. I'm not much of a snowflake. I could use strong words with you, too. I already told him if he closes his mind off to someone actually being patient and decent I will roast him mercilessly and - remember the humblebum meltdown? I have thousands of hours of knowledge of literature and language and I am an expert!! It's just - all the frustration and like, Fauci going on CNN to say "Nicki Minaj needs to educate herself about the philosophy of science" - it's not going to work.