Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[RickyDizzle]

Yeah that's probably what Horford's thinking right now. I'm old, I'm a backup 5 to Timelord and Bruno Fernando. I'll sign with Boston for the minimum instead of winning Rangz with contenders.

Agreed in general, but cmon, in no world is Bruno going to be ahead of anyone on an NBA depth chart.

Who's going to pay horford more than what Kemba got with the Knicks? My initial question was, if we decline his option / waive him and pay him 14.5 million next year are we allowed to also sign him to a new contract in free agency? I could see him taking a modest 2 or 3 year deal knowing he still has money from the Philly contract for another year too. Maybe we waive him and sign 3 for 20 (plus the 14.5 mil he's already entitled to).

Similarly, if we trade him, then someone else is on the hook for that 14.5 mil when they waive him in the off-season. In that scenario can he still resign here if he's been traded away and waived by another team? Is it a league year thing or calendar year?

[djFan71]

Yeah that's probably what Horford's thinking right now. I'm old, I'm a backup 5 to Timelord and Bruno Fernando. I'll sign with Boston for the minimum instead of winning Rangz with contenders.

Agreed in general, but cmon, in no world is Bruno going to be ahead of anyone on an NBA depth chart.

Who's going to pay horford more than what Kemba got with the Knicks? My initial question was, if we decline his option / waive him and pay him 14.5 million next year are we allowed to also sign him to a new contract in free agency? I could see him taking a modest 2 or 3 year deal knowing he still has money from the Philly contract for another year too. Maybe we waive him and sign 3 for 20 (plus the 14.5 mil he's already entitled to).

Similarly, if we trade him, then someone else is on the hook for that 14.5 mil when they waive him in the off-season. In that scenario can he still resign here if he's been traded away and waived by another team? Is it a league year thing or calendar year?

Yeah, I wondered the same thing when we made the trade. I think it’s legal. We did it with Jabari this summer.

But I think we need a better showing the rest of the way and some kind of playoff run, at least win a series. I don’t know that I’d want him for 3 years either, tbh.

It would be great if it worked out, but ideally he’s salary in a bigger trade this summer.

[threrf23]

As much as we need more mediocre players to give us depth on the wing, no way I would trade a first for Terrence Ross. Career journeyman, technically not a journeyman I guess, but he's never been anything special and is a 30 year old sharpshooter who is shooting 30% from three.

[Bohemian]

Ross is the new Harrison Barnes for Celtics fans haha. Seriously, I think he has always been a target, everybody wants someone who can score at will. That said, I wouldn´t trade a 1st for him.

[cl2117]

Ross is the new Harrison Barnes for Celtics fans haha. Seriously, I think he has always been a target, everybody wants someone who can score at will. That said, I wouldn´t trade a 1st for him.

Harrison Barnes funnily enough still would have been a great get for us. I wouldn't have paid the asking price most likely (no one did in the end), but he's still putting up the same numbers on good efficiency and costs less each year of his deal.

He'd still be a good piece for us, we just don't have a TPE to fit him anymore and would have to send out useful rotation players.

I suggest SO many bad ideas when you look at them with the benefit of hindsight, that's one where we would have at least gotten the production we would have wanted to.

[cl2117]

Thoughts on Christian Wood now that he's hurt his value a bit with his antics down in Houston? Too much trouble or worth a punt?

As for Wood, he was benched to start Saturday's game and appeared to pout over Silas' punishment for him failing to show up for the team's daily COVID-19 testing, which caused the team's shootaround to be delayed, sources said.

Later, Wood showed little inclination to check into Saturday's game when Silas called upon him, sources said, and Silas quickly moved on to other players. Lucas also confronted Wood at halftime during and at least one other of the team's young players challenged Wood, telling him that, as a veteran, Wood should be setting a standard, sources said.

Wood, the Rockets' leading scorer and rebounder, played eight scoreless minutes in the first half. Houston was outscored by 17 points when he was on the court.

"We had a disagreement as far as him going back into the game in the second half, and I decided it would be best for the team [to suspend him]," Silas said. "It's very much attached to accountability for everybody on our team. My job is to hold people accountable to their actions and not overreact at all, but react appropriately.''

He's got a history of being pouty and complaining if he doesn't think he's getting enough minutes etc., but he's also never gotten to play in a non-dysfunctional organization (mostly G-League stints, then Pelicans during AD drama, tanking Pistons, tanking Rockets).

Rockets have a really young team, can't afford to carry too many malcontents and Wood seems like he wants out. Might be able to get him for a bargain (expirings and a first?) if Houston decides to sell.

He's apparently more of a 5/4 than a 4/5, but his fit next to Timelord could be really interesting. We've got enough drama already, night not be worth it to import any more, but we also need to find ways to add talent for below market price so maybe it's an opportunity.

[celtics543]

Thoughts on Christian Wood now that he's hurt his value a bit with his antics down in Houston? Too much trouble or worth a punt?

As for Wood, he was benched to start Saturday's game and appeared to pout over Silas' punishment for him failing to show up for the team's daily COVID-19 testing, which caused the team's shootaround to be delayed, sources said.

Later, Wood showed little inclination to check into Saturday's game when Silas called upon him, sources said, and Silas quickly moved on to other players. Lucas also confronted Wood at halftime during and at least one other of the team's young players challenged Wood, telling him that, as a veteran, Wood should be setting a standard, sources said.

Wood, the Rockets' leading scorer and rebounder, played eight scoreless minutes in the first half. Houston was outscored by 17 points when he was on the court.

"We had a disagreement as far as him going back into the game in the second half, and I decided it would be best for the team [to suspend him]," Silas said. "It's very much attached to accountability for everybody on our team. My job is to hold people accountable to their actions and not overreact at all, but react appropriately.''

He's got a history of being pouty and complaining if he doesn't think he's getting enough minutes etc., but he's also never gotten to play in a non-dysfunctional organization (mostly G-League stints, then Pelicans during AD drama, tanking Pistons, tanking Rockets).

Rockets have a really young team, can't afford to carry too many malcontents and Wood seems like he wants out. Might be able to get him for a bargain (expirings and a first?) if Houston decides to sell.

He's apparently more of a 5/4 than a 4/5, but his fit next to Timelord could be really interesting. We've got enough drama already, night not be worth it to import any more, but we also need to find ways to add talent for below market price so maybe it's an opportunity.

If we had the Patriots culture and could get him at a discount then sure but our culture is already pretty poor and I don't think adding another questionable culture guy to the mix is going to make it any better. We need some confident veteran leadership, not another guy who thinks he needs the ball all the time and is going to get angry if he doesn't get it. Last thing we need is another blowup between young guys who all think they should be the star.

[Celts17Pride]

Ross is the new Harrison Barnes for Celtics fans haha. Seriously, I think he has always been a target, everybody wants someone who can score at will. That said, I wouldn´t trade a 1st for him.

I’m still on the Harrison Barnes train

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ross isn’t worth it, Langford and JRich are fine. You all know score at will Terence is averaging 11 a game this year?

[Andrew McCeltic]

I’d take his contract from Orlando if they throw in Bamba for us to develop us a backup 5

[jmr07019]

We need to take a long hard look at Wood. This team desperately needs a big man who can score the rock efficiently, play PnR with Tatum and take shots away from Smart, Horford and Schoder. Wood checks all boxes.

He also fits the Brown, Tatum, Smart age group perfectly.

I'm not a big fan of the double big lineup but it is really nice (necessary?) against Milwaukee and to a lesser extent Philly. It is useful in other matchups as well ... the lakers come to mind.

There aren't too many scoring bigs available. The other guys I see potentially shaking loose are Sabonis and Siakim. Those guys are more expensive in salary, likely more expensive in trade assets, aren't currently available and it's questionable if their teams would deal with us. We had a pretty bad experience with the Paul George trade and Toronto may not want to deal Siakim within the division.

If the the Wood Williams pairing can work decently together then make the move. I don't want to punt another post season of Tatum and Brown and that's what we are doing with the current team.

[BleedGreen1989]

Thoughts on Christian Wood now that he's hurt his value a bit with his antics down in Houston? Too much trouble or worth a punt?

As for Wood, he was benched to start Saturday's game and appeared to pout over Silas' punishment for him failing to show up for the team's daily COVID-19 testing, which caused the team's shootaround to be delayed, sources said.

Later, Wood showed little inclination to check into Saturday's game when Silas called upon him, sources said, and Silas quickly moved on to other players. Lucas also confronted Wood at halftime during and at least one other of the team's young players challenged Wood, telling him that, as a veteran, Wood should be setting a standard, sources said.

Wood, the Rockets' leading scorer and rebounder, played eight scoreless minutes in the first half. Houston was outscored by 17 points when he was on the court.

"We had a disagreement as far as him going back into the game in the second half, and I decided it would be best for the team [to suspend him]," Silas said. "It's very much attached to accountability for everybody on our team. My job is to hold people accountable to their actions and not overreact at all, but react appropriately.''

He's got a history of being pouty and complaining if he doesn't think he's getting enough minutes etc., but he's also never gotten to play in a non-dysfunctional organization (mostly G-League stints, then Pelicans during AD drama, tanking Pistons, tanking Rockets).

Rockets have a really young team, can't afford to carry too many malcontents and Wood seems like he wants out. Might be able to get him for a bargain (expirings and a first?) if Houston decides to sell.

He's apparently more of a 5/4 than a 4/5, but his fit next to Timelord could be really interesting. We've got enough drama already, night not be worth it to import any more, but we also need to find ways to add talent for below market price so maybe it's an opportunity.

If we had the Patriots culture and could get him at a discount then sure but our culture is already pretty poor and I don't think adding another questionable culture guy to the mix is going to make it any better. We need some confident veteran leadership, not another guy who thinks he needs the ball all the time and is going to get angry if he doesn't get it. Last thing we need is another blowup between young guys who all think they should be the star.

Bingo.

The vibe on this team has been shaky as hell for the last couple of seasons, someone like Wood is simply too risky.

[cl2117]

Just looking at their roster the Rockets have a couple other pieces that are probably on the block and having decent years. Maybe not for us, but they're a mess/tanking so I'd expect a lot of activity from them.

Eric Gordon is having a really efficient scoring year and only one more guaranteed on his contract

Daniel Theis is overpaid on his future years, but still jack of all trades master of none bench piece.

DJ Augustin is a serviceable PG and on his last guaranteed year.

If Houston wanted to save future guaranteed money, I'd take Theis/Gordon for Horford. They sit him like OKC did and buy him out next year along with Wall.

[Larry_Russell]

Josh Richardson and Juancho to Atlanta
Bogdanovic and Jalen Johnson to Boston
?

[Hal14]

Ross is the new Harrison Barnes for Celtics fans haha. Seriously, I think he has always been a target, everybody wants someone who can score at will. That said, I wouldn´t trade a 1st for him.

I’m still on the Harrison Barnes train

i'd like to get barnes, but how?

like someone else said, it was more feasible last season when we had a TPE large enough to cover his salary.

we don't have that anymore so we'd need to match his salary with players. He makes $20 mil. The only guys we have making that much are tatum, brown and Al. The kings would hang up the phone if we offered al for barnes. plus, i'm not sure i'd do that as the celtics either since it would leave us with pretty bad depth at center and our one and only big who can shoot outside of the paint would be gone.

or i suppose we could combine 2 or 3 players salaries to get to $20mil. some combination of schroder, juancho, j-rich, smart. although i highly doubt smart gets traded unless it is for a star or at least borderline all-star

[Hal14]

Josh Richardson and Juancho to Atlanta
Bogdanovic and Jalen Johnson to Boston
?

atlanta would never do that.

j-rich and Bogdanovic is basically a wash. j-rich a better defender, bogdanovic a better shooter. both about same size, roughly same age, j-rich on a slightly cheaper contract.

juancho for jalen massively favors jalen. juancho is proven to be a bust who's career is likely going nowhere, destined to be end of bench guy or out of the league soon. many people had jalen as a top 10 player in the 2021 draft. he has really high upside..

[Hal14]

Thoughts on Christian Wood now that he's hurt his value a bit with his antics down in Houston? Too much trouble or worth a punt?



He's got a history of being pouty and complaining if he doesn't think he's getting enough minutes etc., but he's also never gotten to play in a non-dysfunctional organization (mostly G-League stints, then Pelicans during AD drama, tanking Pistons, tanking Rockets).

Rockets have a really young team, can't afford to carry too many malcontents and Wood seems like he wants out. Might be able to get him for a bargain (expirings and a first?) if Houston decides to sell.

He's apparently more of a 5/4 than a 4/5, but his fit next to Timelord could be really interesting. We've got enough drama already, night not be worth it to import any more, but we also need to find ways to add talent for below market price so maybe it's an opportunity.

If we had the Patriots culture and could get him at a discount then sure but our culture is already pretty poor and I don't think adding another questionable culture guy to the mix is going to make it any better. We need some confident veteran leadership, not another guy who thinks he needs the ball all the time and is going to get angry if he doesn't get it. Last thing we need is another blowup between young guys who all think they should be the star.

Bingo.

The vibe on this team has been shaky as hell for the last couple of seasons, someone like Wood is simply too risky.

yeah. any vets we add should be high character guys like horford (or barnes)

[Larry_Russell]

Smart and Schroder for Bogdanovic and Okongwu

Schroder to Dallas for Burke and Green

Horford, Okongwu, Nesmith, Romeo, Josh Green and a boston 1st(protected) to Sacramento

Fox, Barnes, Bogdanovic and Woodard to Boston

Fox/Pritchard/Burke
Brown/Bogdanovic
Tatum/Richardson/Woodard
Barnes/Grant/Parker
Timelord/Kanter/Bruno

[RickyDizzle]

Ross is the new Harrison Barnes for Celtics fans haha. Seriously, I think he has always been a target, everybody wants someone who can score at will. That said, I wouldn´t trade a 1st for him.

I’m still on the Harrison Barnes train

i'd like to get barnes, but how?

like someone else said, it was more feasible last season when we had a TPE large enough to cover his salary.

we don't have that anymore so we'd need to match his salary with players. He makes $20 mil. The only guys we have making that much are tatum, brown and Al. The kings would hang up the phone if we offered al for barnes. plus, i'm not sure i'd do that as the celtics either since it would leave us with pretty bad depth at center and our one and only big who can shoot outside of the paint would be gone.

or i suppose we could combine 2 or 3 players salaries to get to $20mil. some combination of schroder, juancho, j-rich, smart. although i highly doubt smart gets traded unless it is for a star or at least borderline all-star

J rich, hernangomez, a 1st is decent though they probably want one of Pritchard, Romeo, or Nesmith too. While Jrich has been pretty decent, I don't really see the point of extending him and trading a 2/3 for a 4 does help to balance the roster. Ideally between Nesmith, Pritchard, and/ or Romeo it shouldn't be that hard to cover Richardsons minutes.

[ddb]

Thoughts on Christian Wood now that he's hurt his value a bit with his antics down in Houston? Too much trouble or worth a punt?

As for Wood, he was benched to start Saturday's game and appeared to pout over Silas' punishment for him failing to show up for the team's daily COVID-19 testing, which caused the team's shootaround to be delayed, sources said.

Later, Wood showed little inclination to check into Saturday's game when Silas called upon him, sources said, and Silas quickly moved on to other players. Lucas also confronted Wood at halftime during and at least one other of the team's young players challenged Wood, telling him that, as a veteran, Wood should be setting a standard, sources said.

Wood, the Rockets' leading scorer and rebounder, played eight scoreless minutes in the first half. Houston was outscored by 17 points when he was on the court.

"We had a disagreement as far as him going back into the game in the second half, and I decided it would be best for the team [to suspend him]," Silas said. "It's very much attached to accountability for everybody on our team. My job is to hold people accountable to their actions and not overreact at all, but react appropriately.''

He's got a history of being pouty and complaining if he doesn't think he's getting enough minutes etc., but he's also never gotten to play in a non-dysfunctional organization (mostly G-League stints, then Pelicans during AD drama, tanking Pistons, tanking Rockets).

Rockets have a really young team, can't afford to carry too many malcontents and Wood seems like he wants out. Might be able to get him for a bargain (expirings and a first?) if Houston decides to sell.

He's apparently more of a 5/4 than a 4/5, but his fit next to Timelord could be really interesting. We've got enough drama already, night not be worth it to import any more, but we also need to find ways to add talent for below market price so maybe it's an opportunity.

Talented player. Probably not worth it for Boston. Too much of a risk. Marcus Smart would probably jack him up inside of a week