Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)

[CelticFaninLBC]

My dream scenario is the Celtics S&T Grant Williams to Dallas for Olivier-Maxence Prosper and a TPE. Don't even know if that is possible, then move Brogdon for two lower priced capable players.

Have been wondering if Dallas grabbed Prosper to help facilitate an S&T for Grant?

No idea who else would be traded or how the money would work...

Prosper and Walsh are like the same player. We wouldn't want both of them.

If we did S&T with Dallas, it would either be just getting a TPE in return, just getting a future draft pick back, or possible Hardaway (or bullock, or javale mcgee..)

Yeah, Prosper seems like an older version of Walsh....

[zoyathedestroya]

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Horford declines further, we have no one to guard Embiid.

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[zoyathedestroya]

From a financial perspective, Cs don't have to move Brogdon to stay under the second apron. At least not until next summer (if Porzingis and Brown both get extended). Tax doesn't seem to be an issue.

Cs have options to cut down the $$. Letting Grant walk or S&T-ing him with little to no salary coming back among them. I don't think we'll have a scenario where we keep both Brogdon and Grant.

[Shak_Celts]

From a financial perspective, Cs don't have to move Brogdon to stay under the second apron. At least not until next summer (if Porzingis and Brown both get extended). Tax doesn't seem to be an issue.

Cs have options to cut down the $$. Letting Grant walk or S&T-ing him with little to no salary coming back among them. I don't think we'll have a scenario where we keep both Brogdon and Grant.

Heartless said they have the green light on spending. We'll see how true that is over the next couple of seasons. Even if they eventually move JB, I want them to spend whatever is needed to give Tatum and the guys all the help they need.

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[Bill Lumbergh]

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I don't want him here, because he's always injured, but also don't want him in Milw or Miami, on the off chance he isn't.

[Hal14]

Probably Grant or PP

Or Brogdon.

You gotta think that 1 of them is getting moved..

Brogs isn’t getting traded until he shows he’s healthy

Eh, idk. Clippers were about to trade for him the other day and would have done it if Porzingis didn't have that deadline to opt in to his contract.

If they had more time to get it done, and get Brogdon's medicals over to the clippers to review (have their doctor look at Malcolm or whatever) it likely would have happened. But there wasn't enough time before Porzingis' deadline.

[zoyathedestroya]

We needed a shift. But I don't think swapping Smart for Porzingis is enough to get us over the top. (Passing and movement on offense got worse btw.) There's got to be another shoe to fall. Think bigger, Brad.

[zoyathedestroya]

Or Brogdon.

You gotta think that 1 of them is getting moved..

Brogs isn’t getting traded until he shows he’s healthy

Eh, idk. Clippers were about to trade for him the other day and would have done it if Porzingis didn't have that deadline to opt in to his contract.

If they had more time to get it done, and get Brogdon's medicals over to the clippers to review (have their doctor look at Malcolm or whatever) it likely would have happened. But there wasn't enough time before Porzingis' deadline.

Clippers can still do the trade now if they wanted (esp now that Wiz have a logjam at guard). Same guys going in and out for them. I think they just used the Brogdon health thing as an excuse and they just didn't want to cough up an asset for him (likely a 1st).

[darrendaye]

So my project is to find a scenario where they sign and trade Grant for an asset (a not trade exemption) and assuming ownership insists on staying under the 2nd apron, salary reduction trades elsewhere. I agree with the opinion of some that putting the focus on the 5mm TPMLE is silly when the vet min is (apparently) 3.8mm. Use this leverage opportunity to further stock up now or in future (i.e pick(s)).

Have we played out the Jordan Walsh 2-way v. rookie deal scenario in these projections?

Lastly, I do have interest in getting Patrick Beverley. Aaron Holiday an interesting alternate.

[BK_2020]

Wow jsut realized the new CBA made T-MLE really bad. Still useful for being able to offer multiyear deals and $1.2 mil. is nothing to scoff at.

[JJtheBricklayer]

I still think our best bet would be buying low on Trae Young. SEnd Brown to Atlanta, hes from their making him more likely to resign, potentially swapping collins and brogdon or however ATL would want, add some picks to balance as needed.

Youngs coming off a down year but I think he would thrive with tatum and porzingis , we'd get a distributer and I feel traes efficiency would go up with the better supporting cast. Our defense may take a hit but Browns D is vastly overrated anyways

Trae for Brown and we add pieces as needed

[Hal14]

So my project is to find a scenario where they sign and trade Grant for an asset (a not trade exemption) and assuming ownership insists on staying under the 2nd apron, salary reduction trades elsewhere. I agree with the opinion of some that putting the focus on the 5mm TPMLE is silly when the vet min is (apparently) 3.8mm. Use this leverage opportunity to further stock up now or in future (i.e pick(s)).

Isn't the veteran's minimum $2.1 mil?

Have we played out the Jordan Walsh 2-way v. rookie deal scenario in these projections?

I think that one of these scenarios will happen. Either:

a) Champagnie standard contract, and Walsh on a 2-way
b) We part ways with Champagnie, Walsh on a 2-way (we sign someone else either a vet or a young guy for a deep bench wing)
c) We part ways with Champagnie, Walsh on a standard contract

Which scenario happens, probably depends somewhat on how Walsh and Champagnie look in summer league. And if we even see Champagnie in summer league..

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White
Tatum
George
Kristaps
Timelord?

XD

[darrendaye]

So my project is to find a scenario where they sign and trade Grant for an asset (a not trade exemption) and assuming ownership insists on staying under the 2nd apron, salary reduction trades elsewhere. I agree with the opinion of some that putting the focus on the 5mm TPMLE is silly when the vet min is (apparently) 3.8mm. Use this leverage opportunity to further stock up now or in future (i.e pick(s)).

Isn't the veteran's minimum $2.1 mil?

Have we played out the Jordan Walsh 2-way v. rookie deal scenario in these projections?

I think that one of these scenarios will happen. Either:

a) Champagnie standard contract, and Walsh on a 2-way
b) We part ways with Champagnie, Walsh on a 2-way (we sign someone else either a vet or a young guy for a deep bench wing)
c) We part ways with Champagnie, Walsh on a standard contract

Which scenario happens, probably depends somewhat on how Walsh and Champagnie look in summer league. And if we even see Champagnie in summer league..

I've seen that 3.8mm number from a couple of "on-liners" as the amount a team can sign a free agent for even if over the 2nd apron, but could be mistaken.

And, the 2-way usage will hopefully be aggressive either way.

[Larry_Russell]

I still think our best bet would be buying low on Trae Young. SEnd Brown to Atlanta, hes from their making him more likely to resign, potentially swapping collins and brogdon or however ATL would want, add some picks to balance as needed.

Youngs coming off a down year but I think he would thrive with tatum and porzingis , we'd get a distributer and I feel traes efficiency would go up with the better supporting cast. Our defense may take a hit but Browns D is vastly overrated anyways

Trae for Brown and we add pieces as needed

Trae for brown is certainly intriguing.

Trae dramatically improves our playmaking.

And trae, tatum, kp form a nasty trio.


Brown and brogdon
For
Trae, okongwu and griffin

Save 4 million on deal

Sign and trade grant for suggs

Vet min on griffin
Maybe tpmle on vet pg/sg for depth

Trae/pritchard/davidson
White/suggs/walsh
Tatum/griffin/hauser
Kristaps/horford/griffin
Timelord/okongwu/kornet

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Brogs isn’t getting traded until he shows he’s healthy

Eh, idk. Clippers were about to trade for him the other day and would have done it if Porzingis didn't have that deadline to opt in to his contract.

If they had more time to get it done, and get Brogdon's medicals over to the clippers to review (have their doctor look at Malcolm or whatever) it likely would have happened. But there wasn't enough time before Porzingis' deadline.

Clippers can still do the trade now if they wanted (esp now that Wiz have a logjam at guard). Same guys going in and out for them. I think they just used the Brogdon health thing as an excuse and they just didn't want to cough up an asset for him (likely a 1st).

But why would we do the trade without an asset coming back?

For that matter, why would we trade Brogdon just for a super-late first?

[CelticsPride18]

The 2K trades continue. I thought they would stop after the KP trade

[Fierce1]

We needed a shift. But I don't think swapping Smart for Porzingis is enough to get us over the top. (Passing and movement on offense got worse btw.) There's got to be another shoe to fall. Think bigger, Brad.

The roster, as is, is more balanced now.

Like you keep saying, if the Jays shoot better then the Cs will be hard to beat.

It's not like the Cs trading Smart is like losing a 30-year old CP3.