Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[smith2373]

It's not that ridiculous. Add in Asik to the current team and it's one of the best defensive teams in the league. Rondo/Bradley alone will absolutely DESTROY the Pacers backcourt. Who do you suggest brings the ball up against Rondo/Bradley. Paul George? I hope that's your answer because that is how the Celtics would beat Indiana, make George be a play maker not a scorer.

That would be an AWESOME series.

So you think the Celtics with Asik and a healthy Rondo is an elite team?

Elite, no. But I think if rondo is elite, with Asik, it could be 40 wins plus. With our assets and young guys, this is a great position to be in.

I got to see trade though. Asik is not a no brainer.


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We could probably win 40+ this season without Asik.

[bucknersrevenge]

Here's a little bit from a post from a while back. Check out the link for a pretty nice breakdown on how good Asik is defensively. On that end of the floor he is a game-changer.

"...I don't have them on me but the Synergy stats don't lie. 2 years ago while we were watching that dynamic Rondo/AB backcourt do their thing and AB had some absurd points per possession against that was like .699 or something over the course of the season. There was one player who had better number for him all year and he played for Chicago. Guess what that player's name was? And while you're at it, take a gander at Houston's defensive numbers with Asik on the court last year vs him off of it. Major difference. It's gonna remind you of someone."

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/15/4830936/omer-asik-defense-video-breakdown-houston-rockets

"You don't trade that type of defensive presence for the free prize in a Cracker Jack box. Asik mattered last year, and even if he plays behind or with Howard this year, he will matter again. There's a reason the Rockets were seven points better per 100 possessions with him in the game than on the sidelines, according to NBA.com, and it's not because he's putting numbers on the board."Seven points better is KG-esque."

This one is from his Chicago days: http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/film-session-omer-asik

- See more at: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1277770&p=37147485#p37147485

EDIT: found the other link I lost originally. Just talking about how versatile Asik is which includes this little jewel:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-RHqapbOGA#t=114[/youtube]

[jfs1000d]

Here's a little bit from a post from a while back. Check out the link for a pretty nice breakdown on how good Asik is defensively. On that end of the floor he is a game-changer.

"...I don't have them on me but the Synergy stats don't lie. 2 years ago while we were watching that dynamic Rondo/AB backcourt do their thing and AB had some absurd points per possession against that was like .699 or something over the course of the season. There was one player who had better number for him all year and he played for Chicago. Guess what that player's name was? And while you're at it, take a gander at Houston's defensive numbers with Asik on the court last year vs him off of it. Major difference. It's gonna remind you of someone."

"You don't trade that type of defensive presence for the free prize in a Cracker Jack box. Asik mattered last year, and even if he plays behind or with Howard this year, he will matter again. There's a reason the Rockets were seven points better per 100 possessions with him in the game than on the sidelines, according to NBA.com, and it's not because he's putting numbers on the board."Seven points better is KG-esque."

This one is from his Chicago days: http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/film-session-omer-asik

- See more at: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1277770&p=37147485#p37147485

Now I really want him.


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[No35]

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Fatboy Morey blowing smoke as usual.

[LarsV8]

Rockets wouldn't have any interest in Green,

Not to worry Celtics fans.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

I'm hearing that rondo is out of the question for the kings, or any deal, but I've got confirmations on phone calls between danny/staff and Sacramento, and Houston.

Likely nothing that pushes the Celtics over the luxury tax, Celtics looking at salary dump or picks themselves.

[Celts17Pride]

I'm hearing that rondo is out of the question for the kings, or any deal, but I've got confirmations on phone calls between danny/staff and Sacramento, and Houston.

Likely nothing that pushes the Celtics over the luxury tax, Celtics looking at salary dump or picks themselves.

Nothing going on with Houston?

[SichtingLives]

Who gives a f about a 40+ win team in a no win season? People show me a 55+ win team and a good shot at the NBA finals and we're talking. Stop with the half-hearted BS and come correct. Everyone loves to start a rumor and never talk through the second half of it. Tell me where the championship comes from. No really, I'm not mocking, I'm listening. I'm willing to listen towards the end of Asik's contract because after that, well, nobody knows what plays out that far. Show me where we're in the finals after we shred our roster to get this guy. And please don't BS me that we're simply giving up Bass + pick(s) to get him, Morey isn't nearly that stupid and Asik has other suitors.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

I'm hearing that rondo is out of the question for the kings, or any deal, but I've got confirmations on phone calls between danny/staff and Sacramento, and Houston.

Likely nothing that pushes the Celtics over the luxury tax, Celtics looking at salary dump or picks themselves.

Nothing going on with Houston?

Yes phone calls are confirmed with Houston, but the asik deal would be contingent upon remaining under the tax line, source says Danny isn't making any deals to jeprodize that. This is still a business and that cuts into profits in a year where we don't have mega stars like PP and KG.

[Celts17Pride]

I'm hearing that rondo is out of the question for the kings, or any deal, but I've got confirmations on phone calls between danny/staff and Sacramento, and Houston.

Likely nothing that pushes the Celtics over the luxury tax, Celtics looking at salary dump or picks themselves.

Nothing going on with Houston?

Yes phone calls are confirmed with Houston, but the asik deal would be contingent upon remaining under the tax line, source says Danny isn't making any deals to jeprodize that. This is still a business and that cuts into profits in a year where we don't have mega stars like PP and KG.

Thanks!

[sully00]

Who gives a f about a 40+ win team in a no win season? People show me a 55+ win team and a good shot at the NBA finals and we're talking. Stop with the half-hearted BS and come correct. Everyone loves to start a rumor and never talk through the second half of it. Tell me where the championship comes from. No really, I'm not mocking, I'm listening. I'm willing to listen towards the end of Asik's contract because after that, well, nobody knows what plays out that far. Show me where we're in the finals after we shred our roster to get this guy. And please don't BS me that we're simply giving up Bass + pick(s) to get him, Morey isn't nearly that stupid and Asik has other suitors.

No Asik doesn't have other suitors that is the point the dude is avg 4 points per game which is better than every other year besides last season but is a big step down from last season. Dude is not Kareem he is a career 5/7 rebound guy and has a crazy contract.

They may have two offers of Hawes/Turner or Bass/Bogans and a draft pick and that may not even be the case as it may be a 3 team trade. Everyone else is out right now and the Rockets are saying the deal goes down this week.

We saw tonight why this team has to seriously consider this move and that is giving Jared Sullinger the guy he needs next to him to be an All Star.

[Marley2Hendrix]

I'm hearing that rondo is out of the question for the kings, or any deal, but I've got confirmations on phone calls between danny/staff and Sacramento, and Houston.

Likely nothing that pushes the Celtics over the luxury tax, Celtics looking at salary dump or picks themselves.

You sir, are the man, and one of the many reasons why I love this forum.

[SichtingLives]

Who gives a f about a 40+ win team in a no win season? People show me a 55+ win team and a good shot at the NBA finals and we're talking. Stop with the half-hearted BS and come correct. Everyone loves to start a rumor and never talk through the second half of it. Tell me where the championship comes from. No really, I'm not mocking, I'm listening. I'm willing to listen towards the end of Asik's contract because after that, well, nobody knows what plays out that far. Show me where we're in the finals after we shred our roster to get this guy. And please don't BS me that we're simply giving up Bass + pick(s) to get him, Morey isn't nearly that stupid and Asik has other suitors.

No Asik doesn't have other suitors that is the point the dude is avg 4 points per game which is better than every other year besides last season but is a big step down from last season. Dude is not Kareem he is a career 5/7 rebound guy and has a crazy contract.

They may have two offers of Hawes/Turner or Bass/Bogans and a draft pick and that may not even be the case as it may be a 3 team trade. Everyone else is out right now and the Rockets are saying the deal goes down this week.

We saw tonight why this team has to seriously consider this move and that is giving Jared Sullinger the guy he needs next to him to be an All Star.

Championships man, not Kenny Anderson. Not all-star games. Titles. Talk to me. I'm all for Asik *at the right price*, and he does improve this team in a big and crucial area of need.....what I'm asking for is simple....how does this put us in the drivers seat to either win now, or set up concurrent deals to do so?

[BfB]

I'm hearing that rondo is out of the question for the kings, or any deal, but I've got confirmations on phone calls between danny/staff and Sacramento, and Houston.

Likely nothing that pushes the Celtics over the luxury tax, Celtics looking at salary dump or picks themselves.

Nothing going on with Houston?

Yes phone calls are confirmed with Houston, but the asik deal would be contingent upon remaining under the tax line, source says Danny isn't making any deals to jeprodize that. This is still a business and that cuts into profits in a year where we don't have mega stars like PP and KG.

Doesn't seem that hard to do, considering Asik's cap figure is only 5M this year. Boston has plenty of space under the cap next season, though Asik's addition could cost them one of Crawford/Bradley.

My gut says the team will find a way to be a part of the Asik deal...I just don't think it'll be for Asik.

[sully00]

Who gives a f about a 40+ win team in a no win season? People show me a 55+ win team and a good shot at the NBA finals and we're talking. Stop with the half-hearted BS and come correct. Everyone loves to start a rumor and never talk through the second half of it. Tell me where the championship comes from. No really, I'm not mocking, I'm listening. I'm willing to listen towards the end of Asik's contract because after that, well, nobody knows what plays out that far. Show me where we're in the finals after we shred our roster to get this guy. And please don't BS me that we're simply giving up Bass + pick(s) to get him, Morey isn't nearly that stupid and Asik has other suitors.

No Asik doesn't have other suitors that is the point the dude is avg 4 points per game which is better than every other year besides last season but is a big step down from last season. Dude is not Kareem he is a career 5/7 rebound guy and has a crazy contract.

They may have two offers of Hawes/Turner or Bass/Bogans and a draft pick and that may not even be the case as it may be a 3 team trade. Everyone else is out right now and the Rockets are saying the deal goes down this week.

We saw tonight why this team has to seriously consider this move and that is giving Jared Sullinger the guy he needs next to him to be an All Star.

Championships man, not Kenny Anderson. Not all-star games. Titles. Talk to me. I'm all for Asik *at the right price*, and he does improve this team in a big and crucial area of need.....what I'm asking for is simple....how does this put us in the drivers seat to either win now, or set up concurrent deals to do so?

Look don't misundertand. This isn't about trading for Omer Asik because he is a great player. This is because you already have Rajon Rondo, Avery Bradley, Jeff Green and Jared Sullinger and cast of decent bench players. What you don't have is a 7' to protect the rim. Add that to the those four guys and you may have one of the best defensive teams in the NBA.

Do you have a "super star" no but you may have 5 guys who are all between 5 and 10 at their position. The Spurs, the Grizzlies, the Pacers don't have super stars but they contend for titles. Play defense and score 100 ppg that is how you win championships.

[sully00]

Nothing going on with Houston?

Yes phone calls are confirmed with Houston, but the asik deal would be contingent upon remaining under the tax line, source says Danny isn't making any deals to jeprodize that. This is still a business and that cuts into profits in a year where we don't have mega stars like PP and KG.

Doesn't seem that hard to do, considering Asik's cap figure is only 5M this year. Boston has plenty of space under the cap next season, though Asik's addition could cost them one of Crawford/Bradley.

My gut says the team will find a way to be a part of the Asik deal...I just don't think it'll be for Asik.

Asik's cap number is 8.375 mil for all three years of his deal or less than 1.5 mil more in salary next season. He got paid 5 mil last year he is getting 10 mil this year and 15 mil next season but his cap hit is flat it is just cash outlay. The Rockets are in a position to take on salary and stay below the tax so they can take on 150% of Asik's salary. Bogans is the equalizer.

[zronv7]

Asik is overrated, if there's a trade better not be anything more than Bass + Lee or something. No picks involved.

[SichtingLives]

No Asik doesn't have other suitors that is the point the dude is avg 4 points per game which is better than every other year besides last season but is a big step down from last season. Dude is not Kareem he is a career 5/7 rebound guy and has a crazy contract.

They may have two offers of Hawes/Turner or Bass/Bogans and a draft pick and that may not even be the case as it may be a 3 team trade. Everyone else is out right now and the Rockets are saying the deal goes down this week.

We saw tonight why this team has to seriously consider this move and that is giving Jared Sullinger the guy he needs next to him to be an All Star.

Championships man, not Kenny Anderson. Not all-star games. Titles. Talk to me. I'm all for Asik *at the right price*, and he does improve this team in a big and crucial area of need.....what I'm asking for is simple....how does this put us in the drivers seat to either win now, or set up concurrent deals to do so?

Look don't misundertand. This isn't about trading for Omer Asik because he is a great player. This is because you already have Rajon Rondo, Avery Bradley, Jeff Green and Jared Sullinger and cast of decent bench players. What you don't have is a 7' to protect the rim. Add that to the those four guys and you may have one of the best defensive teams in the NBA.

Do you have a "super star" no but you may have 5 guys who are all between 5 and 10 at their position. The Spurs, the Grizzlies, the Pacers don't have super stars but they contend for titles. Play defense and score 100 ppg that is how you win championships.

I'm 100% with you on the first paragraph. Where it becomes hazy for me is what (who) we're giving up, what hole that creates in our offense, and how that void is filled in a favorable manner. I know you don't need the reminder but here in Boston you know we're all about stifling defense and not enough buckets, thats been a central theme to our yearly failures in the playoffs. See, I don't think you need a TOP 10 player to win necessarily, but you definitely need one or more guys who you can go to to score consistently in the last 3 minutes of a close game. F a TOP 10 player. Yeah it helps, but it's about filling roles. Asik takes us back to what we were the last 2-3 years. We still need that offense down the stretch to make his soon to be contract justifiable.

Goes without saying but we can't sacrifice Green to get him. He may not be a "#1" or "#2", but he is a vital part of our offense, particularly crunch time. So there needs to be another way. We'll see. I'm skeptical about this whole thing but we'll see.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

I'm hearing that rondo is out of the question for the kings, or any deal, but I've got confirmations on phone calls between danny/staff and Sacramento, and Houston.

Likely nothing that pushes the Celtics over the luxury tax, Celtics looking at salary dump or picks themselves.

You sir, are the man, and one of the many reasons why I love this forum.

No problems homie.

[15th overall]

If we pull this off we'll have most of the makings for a championship team in place. Even if Jeff were included, we'd still have a ishtload of picks to flash around the next time an elite wing becomes available. This would be the equivalent of the Ray Allen trade; the move before The Move, the hockey assist for building a championship team.