Rajon Rondo Traded To The Mavericks.

Post #341 » by **sully00** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:07 am

theman wrote:
GuyClinch wrote:Ainge has got guts - I didn't think he had it in him. People think I am some Rondo hater and am really excited about this. But it was clear to everyone that Ainge wasn't going to get the 3 to 4 stars to surround Rondo with to get the best out of him. And it was clear to Ainge at least that Rondo was looking for greener pastures.

So now instead of finding 3 stars to surround Rondo Danny needs to find 3 stars and a Rondo.

No that was the entire problem you don't need Rondo or a Rondo. That is why nobody really wanted him except for a team with 3 guys who can score 20 ppg. Year after year teams win NBA Championships with nothing that looks Rajon Rondo playing PG for them.

Ainge's problem is that right now this team is actually playing better ball without Rondo on the floor. This team's HC was sitting Rondo down at the end of games because he was kind of killing the offense. Sure you can gamble his play would get better but it had been over a calendar year since he returned from injury and two years since you saw a decent Rondo out there. The guy has been on the market for a while now and I am not sure Ainge has actually had a better offer than an unprotected first and 13 mil trade exception. It isn't going to be a good pick but you know what year your going to get it compared to the offers from DET and SAC.

Basically it is going to come down to what happens with Wright compared to McLemore and Brandon Knight who are both having pretty good years. That is it folks that is what has been on the table. Knight and what would now be a '16 1st from DET or McLemore, maybe Isiah Thomas, and what will now be at soonest a '17 from SAC.

Marvel · Post #342 » by **Marvel** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:07 am

KamikazeK wrote:
bbd24 wrote:Great trade IMO. Not sure what all of you xbox GM's were thinking

What the heck is so great about it? The crappy 2015 pick? The career bench player who won't be on the team next year? Or is it the second rounder?

The blossoming B Wright bruh.

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Shamrock · Post #343 » by **Shamrock** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:08 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/545761598338772992[/tweet]

Marvel · Post #344 » by **Marvel** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:09 am

Oh well i love Rajon always will. Wish him nothing but the best with the Mavs.

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BakersDozen · Post #345 » by **BakersDozen** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:09 am

Woj just tweeted the pick is protected 1-3 and 15 -30...... so basically we wont be getting it this coming draft. fantastic.

mloyko · Post #346 » by **mloyko** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:09 am

Shamrock wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/545761598338772992[/tweet]

That's actually not a bad idea by Danny. If Mavs fall out of the playoff race we'll get their pick this year 4-14.. Otherwise they keep it outside the lottery.

It's basically a 2016 1st round pick protection inside the top 7 otherwise.

theman · Post #347 » by **theman** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:09 am

Juest read this:

There are lottery protections on the 2015 first-round pick headed to Boston, sources said.

It made me laugh.

jfs1000d · Post #348 » by **jfs1000d** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:10 am

Banks2Pierce wrote:Looks like we won't be getting that pick until 2016 after that latest Woj tweet.

Imagine ainge doesn't want a late first in 2015. Weird construction.

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Shamrock wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/545761598338772992[/tweet]

So this 1st round pick isn't until 2016?

At least our kids might be able to watch a competitive Celtic team down the line. Good for them

KamikazeK · Post #350 » by **KamikazeK** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:11 am

BakersDozen wrote:Woj just tweeted the pick is protected 1-3 and 15 -30...... so basically we wont be getting it this coming draft. fantastic.

WOW, that's even worse! This is a royal screw-up by Ainge. Hard to see how he keeps his job after this. We won't even be getting that pick.. Jesus christ,. :banghead:

jfs1000d · Post #351 » by **jfs1000d** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:11 am

BakersDozen wrote:Woj just tweeted the pick is protected 1-3 and 15 -30...... so basically we wont be getting it this coming draft. fantastic.

U want the 25th pick in the draft? Ainge betting it will be worse In 2016.

mloyko · Post #352 » by **mloyko** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:12 am

With the Mavs loaded up to go for it this year, it actually makes it more likely we get a higher pick in 2016. Four 1st rounders in 2016.

Celtics
Nets (no protection)
Mavs (Top 7 protected)
Cavs (Top 10 Protected)

robbie84 · Post #353 » by **robbie84** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:12 am

He's expiring and is arguably not even a top 10 PG anymore.
What else do people expect for him?

Add in the fact that Ainge has inside information and we don't.

Logically we should ponder:
-Was Rondo taking nothing less than the max to play in Boston?
-Were there really any top 10 players that were realistically available in the next 2 seasons to add Rondo?
-Was there a greater chance that he'd leave this summer for nothing?
-Do we risk all of the above AND hurt our shot at a draft which has a top three of:

Okafur
Towns
Muiday....

Losing the magician sucks but I completely understand why Ainge pulled the trigger.
Good for him for having the balls to do this.
Everyone needs to take a breath and realise that this is good for the long term.

Shamrock · Post #354 » by **Shamrock** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:13 am

KamikazeK wrote:
BakersDozen wrote:Woj just tweeted the pick is protected 1-3 and 15 -30...... so basically we wont be getting it this coming draft. fantastic.

WOW, that's even worse! This is a royal screw-up by Ainge. Hard to see how he keeps his job after this. We won't even be getting that pick.. Jesus christ,.

What are you talking about? If it lands between 4-14 then we get it this year, if it doesn't then it's relayed till the 2016 draft. If it lands after #7 in the 2016 draft then we get it. A lot can happen in a year, you just never know.

theman · Post #355 » by **theman** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:14 am

sully00 wrote:
theman wrote:
GuyClinch wrote:Ainge has got guts - I didn't think he had it in him. People think I am some Rondo hater and am really excited about this. But it was clear to everyone that Ainge wasn't going to get the 3 to 4 stars to surround Rondo with to get the best out of him. And it was clear to Ainge at least that Rondo was looking for greener pastures.

So now instead of finding 3 stars to surround Rondo Danny needs to find 3 stars and a Rondo.

No that was the entire problem you don't need Rondo or a Rondo. That is why nobody really wanted him except for a team with 3 guys who can score 20 ppg. Year after year teams win NBA Championships with nothing that looks Rajon Rondo playing PG for them.

Ainge's problem is that right now this team is actually playing better ball without Rondo on the floor. This team's HC was sitting Rondo down at the end of games because he was kind of killing the offense. Sure you can gamble his play would get better but it had been over a calendar year since he returned from injury and two years since you saw a decent Rondo out there. The guy has been on the market for a while now and I am not sure Ainge has actually had a better offer than an unprotected first and 13 mil trade exception. It isn't going to be a good pick but you know what year your going to get it compared to the offers from DET and SAC.

Basically it is going to come down to what happens with Wright compared to McLemore and Brandon Knight who are both having pretty good years. That is it folks that is what has been on the table. Knight and what would now be a '16 1st from DET or McLemore, maybe Isiah Thomas, and what will now be at soonest a '17 from SAC.

I remember a team that won a championship and nearly two others with a PG the looks just like Rondo.

Celtics weren't getting Isaiah Thomas from Sac considering he plays for the Suns.

lon3lytoaster · Post #356 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:14 am

jfs1000d wrote:
BakersDozen wrote:Woj just tweeted the pick is protected 1-3 and 15 -30...... so basically we wont be getting it this coming draft. fantastic.

U want the 25th pick in the draft? Ainge betting it will be worse In 2016.

Watch them steal a late round stud right before our LAC pick.

Marvel · Post #357 » by **Marvel** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:14 am

Protection?? Pro **** tection Danny?!?? **** me this just got worse

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smith2373 · Post #358 » by **smith2373** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:14 am

robbie84 wrote:He's expiring and is arguably not even a top 10 PG anymore.
What else do people expect for him?

Add in the fact that Ainge has inside information and we don't.

Logically we should ponder:
-Was Rondo taking nothing less than the max to play in Boston?
-Were there really any top 10 players that were realistically available in the next 2 seasons to add Rondo?
-Was there a greater chance that he'd leave this summer for nothing?
-Do we risk all of the above AND hurt our shot at a draft which has a top three of:

Okafur
Towns
Muiday....

Losing the magician sucks but I completely understand why Ainge pulled the trigger.
Good for him for having the balls to do this.
Everyone needs to take a breath and realise that this is good for the long term.

Highly doubt we'll be bad enough to get Okafor, Towns or Mudiay without some help from Silver

KamikazeK · Post #359 » by **KamikazeK** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:15 am

robbie84 wrote:He's expiring and is arguably not even a top 10 PG anymore.
What else do people expect for him?

Add in the fact that Ainge has inside information and we don't.

Logically we should ponder:
-Was Rondo taking nothing less than the max to play in Boston?
-Were there really any top 10 players that were realistically available in the next 2 seasons to add Rondo?
-Was there a greater chance that he'd leave this summer for nothing?
-Do we risk all of the above AND hurt our shot at a draft which has a top three of:

Okafur
Towns
Muiday....

Losing the magician sucks but I completely understand why Ainge pulled the trigger.
Good for him for having the balls to do this.
Everyone needs to take a breath and realise that this is good for the long term.

You think we're going to get a top 3 pick? That's cute. I don't want to be the one to drop the bad news on your head, but there is absolutely 0 chance of us getting a top 3 pick. Especially now that we know for a fact we aren't getting Dallas's pick this year. How are we supposed to get a top 3 pick exactly?

Post #360 » by **sully00** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:15 am

smith2373 wrote:
sully00 wrote:The really strange part of this deal is this team really needs Nelson and Wright's skill set. The idea of being an 8th seed type team with no Rondo doesn't sound exciting now but if in two months we are doing it with Smart in Rondo's role I think Ainge has done his job. Wright gives this team the athleticism and shot blocking it desperately needs in the post, you pick up another '15 draft pick. Wright is just an expiring contract right now but he is only 27 and was a top 10 pick coming into the league and is kind of a modern day Bo Outlaw he may end up being a guy you sign.

I am glad this over and we can move forward we know who we are now and what this team is trying to do. The best part is Rondo went to a great spot for him and now he doesn't really have a reason to go NY or LA and make us hate him. It is easy to root for the Mavs.

Nelson is pretty washed up honestly. I don't expect him to still be here past February, whether it's a trade or buyout.

Nelson is shooting 37% from 3 on 4.5 attempts per game and Boston is shooting 32% from 3 in a run and gun offense. I have no idea what the plan is but if this team wants to try and win games then Nelson is a huge upgrade to Phil Pressey.