Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

[GreenMachine]

Prince would be bought out or waived.. He's expiring, his contract's up at the end of this season. Waiving him does him a favor because he leaves our team and doesn't clog the roster or cause problems, we still pay him his remaining 7ish million, and he's free to sign with any team he wants for the minimum (e.g. LAC)

Why the hell would we wanna do that!

I don't see this going through, for just Prince and some picks. I may be wrong, but I don't think so.
We don't need anyone getting paid that high, that we would waive.

That's how the NBA works. It happens ALL the time. And we wouldn't be paying him 7mil. First it would be a pro-rated portion of that... then on top of that we would hopefully work out a Buy-Out at a even lower number.

Look at it this way - we are spending that money either way. We can pay it to Green to sulk and take minutes from Crowder and Young... or we could pay (some of) it to Prince to go away, and pick up another 1st round pick in the process. Which of these options do you prefer?

And yes... I am sure we would all prefer option #3 - find a better deal... but that simply might not be possible. If it is, you can be sure Danny is looking into it.

[laploutocratie]

That Prince deal is god awful. We can easily find better trade partners; how could it be so difficult to find a playoff team in need of a solid starting SF? LAC, CHI, TOR, DET are all viable options that come immediately to mind.

[Parliament10]

Prince would be bought out or waived.. He's expiring, his contract's up at the end of this season. Waiving him does him a favor because he leaves our team and doesn't clog the roster or cause problems, we still pay him his remaining 7ish million, and he's free to sign with any team he wants for the minimum (e.g. LAC)

Why the hell would we wanna do that!

I don't see this going through, for just Prince and some picks. I may be wrong, but I don't think so.
We don't need anyone getting paid that high, that we would waive.

That's how the NBA works. It happens ALL the time. And we wouldn't be paying him 7mil. First it would be a pro-rated portion of that... then on top of that we would hopefully work out a Buy-Out at a even lower number.

Look at it this way - we are spending that money either way. We can pay it to Green to sulk and take minutes from Crowder and Young... or we could pay (some of) it to Prince to go away, and pick up another 1st round pick in the process. Which of these options do you prefer?

And yes... I am sure we would all prefer option #3 - find a better deal... but that simply might not be possible. If it is, you can be sure Danny is looking into it.

I get all the potential buyout, etc. -- It all depends upon what else we get.

-- We haven't bought out Wallace, so I seriously doubt that we'll buyout Prince.

I'm definitely up for moving them up, and getting more minutes for Crowder, Young, and even Turner.

[ballup]

Why the hell would we wanna do that!

I don't see this going through, for just Prince and some picks. I may be wrong, but I don't think so.
We don't need anyone getting paid that high, that we would waive.

That's how the NBA works. It happens ALL the time. And we wouldn't be paying him 7mil. First it would be a pro-rated portion of that... then on top of that we would hopefully work out a Buy-Out at a even lower number.

Look at it this way - we are spending that money either way. We can pay it to Green to sulk and take minutes from Crowder and Young... or we could pay (some of) it to Prince to go away, and pick up another 1st round pick in the process. Which of these options do you prefer?

And yes... I am sure we would all prefer option #3 - find a better deal... but that simply might not be possible. If it is, you can be sure Danny is looking into it.

I get all the potential buyout, etc. -- It all depends upon what else we get.

-- We haven't bought out Wallace, so I seriously doubt that we'll buyout Prince.

I'm definitely up for moving them up, and getting more minutes for Crowder, Young, and even Turner.

Wallace still is an asset of being an expiring next season, that's why he hasn't been bought out. Prince's deal expires at the end of this seasonn

[GregB]

Why the hell would we wanna do that!

I don't see this going through, for just Prince and some picks. I may be wrong, but I don't think so.
We don't need anyone getting paid that high, that we would waive.

That's how the NBA works. It happens ALL the time. And we wouldn't be paying him 7mil. First it would be a pro-rated portion of that... then on top of that we would hopefully work out a Buy-Out at a even lower number.

Look at it this way - we are spending that money either way. We can pay it to Green to sulk and take minutes from Crowder and Young... or we could pay (some of) it to Prince to go away, and pick up another 1st round pick in the process. Which of these options do you prefer?

And yes... I am sure we would all prefer option #3 - find a better deal... but that simply might not be possible. If it is, you can be sure Danny is looking into it.

I get all the potential buyout, etc. -- It all depends upon what else we get.

-- We haven't bought out Wallace, so I seriously doubt that we'll buyout Prince.

I'm definitely up for moving them up, and getting more minutes for Crowder, Young, and even Turner.

You keep saying you get it. But it doesn't seem like it.

Princes contract is expiring and its past the date his contract can be combined with others before the trade deadline. So buying him out makes the most sense because he can't be used as salary filler in a larger deal.

Wallace has an extra year left and his salary could be useful as salary filler in a deal moving forward.

If jameer Nelson didn't have a player option , I imagine he would have already been waived too. But since he does we will try and leverage him to waive it or trade him again before the deadline.

[Parliament10]

That's how the NBA works. It happens ALL the time. And we wouldn't be paying him 7mil. First it would be a pro-rated portion of that... then on top of that we would hopefully work out a Buy-Out at a even lower number.

Look at it this way - we are spending that money either way. We can pay it to Green to sulk and take minutes from Crowder and Young... or we could pay (some of) it to Prince to go away, and pick up another 1st round pick in the process. Which of these options do you prefer?

And yes... I am sure we would all prefer option #3 - find a better deal... but that simply might not be possible. If it is, you can be sure Danny is looking into it.

I get all the potential buyout, etc. -- It all depends upon what else we get.

-- We haven't bought out Wallace, so I seriously doubt that we'll buyout Prince.

I'm definitely up for moving them up, and getting more minutes for Crowder, Young, and even Turner.

You keep saying you get it. But it doesn't seem like it.

Princes contract is expiring and its past the date his contract can be combined with others before the trade deadline. So buying him out makes the most sense because he can't be used as salary filler in a larger deal.

Wallace has an extra year left and his salary could be useful as salary filler in a deal moving forward.

If jameer Nelson didn't have a player option , I imagine he would have already been waived too. But since he does we will try and leverage him to waive it or trade him again before the deadline.

Getting it -- and be happy with it -- are two different things.

What I don't get is -- Why can't we just do another TPE, and not take ANY salaries back?

[brackdan70]

Deng is 29...one of the top 6 or 7 SFs in the league... makes slightly more than Green and also has a player option next year. If Memphis can get him thats great for them, but I can't see Miami being willing to part with him at this point. Bosh is locked up long term, Wade with a player option, McRoberts back next year...I would guess they would want to try and give it a run next year with those guys. I don't think Danny is at all desperate to make a move... there are a few other teams out there that could use Green.

Is Deng still that good? He's fallen off pretty badly since his peak in Chicago, his numbers are just as inconsistent as Green's and his health is always a major concern. I guess that just shows how shallow the depth is at SF.

much more efficient than Green. shooting over 50% and 36% from 3. very strong in advanced stats as well if you are into that sort of thing

[irie]

I get all the potential buyout, etc. -- It all depends upon what else we get.

-- We haven't bought out Wallace, so I seriously doubt that we'll buyout Prince.

I'm definitely up for moving them up, and getting more minutes for Crowder, Young, and even Turner.

You keep saying you get it. But it doesn't seem like it.

Princes contract is expiring and its past the date his contract can be combined with others before the trade deadline. So buying him out makes the most sense because he can't be used as salary filler in a larger deal.

Wallace has an extra year left and his salary could be useful as salary filler in a deal moving forward.

If jameer Nelson didn't have a player option , I imagine he would have already been waived too. But since he does we will try and leverage him to waive it or trade him again before the deadline.

Getting it -- and be happy with it -- are two different things.

What I don't get is -- Why can't we just do another TPE, and not take ANY salaries back?

I've already mentioned this to you. The Celtics are over the cap and so are the Grizzlies. We can't just trade them Green without matching salaries. And Memphis is also $1m within the luxury tax threshold, so they are not going to be willing to take on salary that will push them into luxury territory. If the Celtics are trading them Green, Memphis will need to be sending out at least $8.2m in salary either to Boston or elsewhere.

That is of course assuming Memphis is the likely destination.

[brackdan70]

Deng is 29...one of the top 6 or 7 SFs in the league... makes slightly more than Green and also has a player option next year. If Memphis can get him thats great for them, but I can't see Miami being willing to part with him at this point. Bosh is locked up long term, Wade with a player option, McRoberts back next year...I would guess they would want to try and give it a run next year with those guys. I don't think Danny is at all desperate to make a move... there are a few other teams out there that could use Green.

Is Deng still that good? He's fallen off pretty badly since his peak in Chicago, his numbers are just as inconsistent as Green's and his health is always a major concern. I guess that just shows how shallow the depth is at SF.

much more efficient than Green. shooting over 50% and 36% from 3. very strong in advanced stats as well if you are into that sort of thing

[Andrew McCeltic]

We could actually take back any or all of their players with the TPE- Koufos, Prince, Adams- approximately 11 million in salary. With the TPE they get from us in that transaction, they could take back Green and shave about 2 million off their cap number. Which also gives them the flexibility to vet-min someone like Dalembert..

[Parliament10]

We could actually take back any or all of their players with the TPE- Koufos, Prince, Adams- approximately 11 million in salary. With the TPE they get from us in that transaction, they could take back Green and shave about 2 million off their cap number. Which also gives them the flexibility to vet-min someone like Dalembert..

There yah go! That's a definite start. -- I suspect that Danny will get Creative somehow, or not pull the deal.

[GreenMachine]

-- We haven't bought out Wallace, so I seriously doubt that we'll buyout Prince.

Wallace = 20+ Million
Prince = maybe 4 Million

Big difference.

[Froob]

I get all the potential buyout, etc. -- It all depends upon what else we get.

-- We haven't bought out Wallace, so I seriously doubt that we'll buyout Prince.

I'm definitely up for moving them up, and getting more minutes for Crowder, Young, and even Turner.

You keep saying you get it. But it doesn't seem like it.

Princes contract is expiring and its past the date his contract can be combined with others before the trade deadline. So buying him out makes the most sense because he can't be used as salary filler in a larger deal.

Wallace has an extra year left and his salary could be useful as salary filler in a deal moving forward.

If jameer Nelson didn't have a player option , I imagine he would have already been waived too. But since he does we will try and leverage him to waive it or trade him again before the deadline.

Getting it -- and be happy with it -- are two different things.

What I don't get is -- Why can't we just do another TPE, and not take ANY salaries back?

Why does it even bother you anyways? It really doesn't hurt us buying out Prince. Not going to need that cap space anyways with our TPE's. That money is for Wyc and Co. to worry about.

[Valid]

The bottom line is that Green is out of here, and the rest of the league knows it. Ainge is not going to let the deadline pass with Green still on this team for a couple of reasons, none more important than the fact that he is probably going to bolt this summer. Taking that into consideration (along with the fact that the team that acquires him will basically be getting a rental), expecting a good haul for him is probably unrealistic. Ainge may not get anything better than the hypothetical Memphis deal, and if that is the only offer he gets, he'll pull the trigger.

[Froob]

-- We haven't bought out Wallace, so I seriously doubt that we'll buyout Prince.

Wallace = 20+ Million
Prince = maybe 4 Million

Big difference.

Doesn't G-Wall lose money in a buyout or are we literally just paying him the contract money? I thought it was some sort of halfway thing. Can't wait for him to take his contract and gtfo but I'll miss his elite inbounding skills. He'll stick around the league for a couple of years for his inbounding skills if nothing else. Super friends era heat(can't believe I'm saying this haha it's over ) woulda been nasty with G-Wall at the end of game.

[GreenMachine]

-- We haven't bought out Wallace, so I seriously doubt that we'll buyout Prince.

Wallace = 20+ Million
Prince = maybe 4 Million

Big difference.

Doesn't G-Wall lose money in a buyout or are we literally just paying him the contract money? I thought it was some sort of halfway thing. Can't wait for him to take his contract and gtfo but I'll miss his elite inbounding skills. He'll stick around the league for a couple of years for his inbounding skills if nothing else. Super friends era heat(can't believe I'm saying this haha it's over ) woulda been nasty with G-Wall at the end of game.

We could CUT Wallace and pay him the full amount of his deal. If HE AGREES we could do a "buyout" for a lesser number, and that lesser number is what we would pay him and what would count against the cap (I think, someone correct me if I am wrong about the cap hit). However... he would have to agree. Generally guys take a buyout if/when they think they can make up the lost revenue by signing with a new team, generally in a better situation (playoff and/or championship contender). Since there is no reason to believe a new team would sign Wallace, and if they did it would be for the Vet Minimum... he has really no reason to agree to a buyout. The only ways I see us buying Wallace out: 1. We REALLY need the extra cap space this summer so we buy him out and use the 'stretch provision" -OR- 2. AFTER next years trade deadline if we are unable to use his expiring contact in a deal. At that point we will only owe him the prorated portion of his final year. We could buy him out for <5 million and open a roster spot.

[165bows]

-- We haven't bought out Wallace, so I seriously doubt that we'll buyout Prince.

Wallace = 20+ Million
Prince = maybe 4 Million

Big difference.

There's also a loss of flexibility difference between Prince and Wallace. With an expiring like Prince, you either trade him or pay/waive him. Those last two are the same. With Wallace, they can stretch that deal out next year but not once he's waived. Same with Nelson. If you waive a guy with more than a year left trading him or stretching him is no longer an option his full cap hit is on the books for that year and there's nothing you can do.

So they actually keep an option open to reduce cap hits by keeping these guys compared to Prince. I'm almost 100% sure he'd get re-traded or waived straight out.

[return2glory]

Look, if we can't get a 1st round pick for Green, then Ainge shouldn't trade him. If a contending team wants him and if only offering a 2nd round pick or some scrubs, then Ainge has the option to not trade. This team already has enough average players, we don't need more.

Ainge doesn't need to help out any teams if the offer in return isn't decent enough.

[Queequeg]

Look, if we can't get a 1st round pick for Green, then Ainge shouldn't trade him. If a contending team wants him and if only offering a 2nd round pick or some scrubs, then Ainge has the option to not trade. This team already has enough average players, we don't need more.

Ainge doesn't need to help out any teams if the offer in return isn't decent enough.

Agreed, if teams want him and think he can help, they should have to pay for it. We are not out to help other teams.

[bucknersrevenge]

Look, if we can't get a 1st round pick for Green, then Ainge shouldn't trade him. If a contending team wants him and if only offering a 2nd round pick or some scrubs, then Ainge has the option to not trade. This team already has enough average players, we don't need more.

Ainge doesn't need to help out any teams if the offer in return isn't decent enough.

I'd take the deal where we would've ended up with Prince, Adams and a protected pick later on down the line. Truth is, we don't need Green anymore. And in fact, one could argue that now he's blocking younger players that already give pretty much all of what he would give us at a lower cost.