Marcus Smart is nothing special...why are yall so delusional?

[cl2117]

lol at pinning a 50 game losing season on a rookie point guard, and not a young team or the fact that they fired the coach midway through the season.

What ever makes you feel like your right. Which your not , your wrong 100%.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR AND YOU'RE.

It's really not that **** hard. It's painful to read some of these posts because they're constructed so poorly. If you're going to put so much effort into posting/trolling regarding Payton vs. Smart at least have the decency and self respect to craft your posts with some semblance of effort grammatically.

[jfs1000d]

FWIW, None of these people are even Magic fans. Haven't seen them on the forum.



Biggest difference is Payton knows his strengths and weaknesses. He needs to work on shooting but hes not gonna take 20 shots and 10 3 pointers like MCW. Also doesn't turn it over much / has much greater vision.

Some of you are dead wrong about Payton but that's fine.

It's normal to be excited about your own PG, both franchises are fine not trading for each other's and there's nothing wrong with that, but trust me.. no Magic fans are trolling your board. I hope for some Smart/Payton duels for a long time. It'll be fun to see how all the PG's from this class develop.

I don't think Smart's a superstar in waiting. But Payton isn't either.

This isn't Carmelo vs. LeBron argument.

Is Payton better than Smart? Right now, I guess. Smart isn't a true PG anyway and is going to have to learn his craft like Mike Conley. That's fine.

I just don't see Payton as someone to get all hot and bothered about. Is he rookie of the year? Sure. Give it to him. That's great. You lost 50 plus games anyway.

lol at pinning a 50 game losing season on a rookie point guard, and not a young team or the fact that they fired the coach midway through the season.

What ever makes you feel like your right. Which your not , your wrong 100%.

Wiz, I actually agree with you. Payton's been better this year. They were both rated equally. Payton, out of La-Lafayette, was on Team USA with Smart. This isn't a surprise that he is a productive NBA player.

I just don't really care. Smart vs. Payton? Who cares. Neither is good enough to have a 20 page thread debating.

The title of thread is Marcus Smart is nothing special. You are right. Neither is elfrid Payton.

[wizfactor94]

Humble, awesome posts and great perspective. Completely agree 100% with your points.

This guy Wiz should place a bet right now that 10 years from now if Elfrid has had a better career than Smart than good for you, but if Smart turns out to be the better player you have to eat an actual crow. Beak and all.

This is what i hate about forums nowadays, everyone cant respond without getting butt hurt.....

I dont care about 10 years right now, i hope Smart can play 10 years as the starting point guard....im not even predicting who will be better

What I am doing is pointing out the skillsets that these two possess, what they can do, what they cant, what their potential may be.

Im not going to hate on anyone's opinion.

but if you try to argue with facts that are not true, of course I will respond with a bit of anger or attitude. It is neccessary , not personal but just an arguement where i want to prove something.

If you want to talk back and forth about Smart I can do that easily.

But dont get all angry and post dumb things like WIN SHARES between two rookies , just to fit the narrative..lets talk skill sets, what they can do what they cant do.

Marcus hasnt gotten his opportunity to dominate the ball , which could or not be because he cant. Maybe he can or maybe its knnown by the staff he cant , who knows.

All i want to do is go back and forth with some good solid opinions.

[wizfactor94]

I don't think Smart's a superstar in waiting. But Payton isn't either.

This isn't Carmelo vs. LeBron argument.

Is Payton better than Smart? Right now, I guess. Smart isn't a true PG anyway and is going to have to learn his craft like Mike Conley. That's fine.

I just don't see Payton as someone to get all hot and bothered about. Is he rookie of the year? Sure. Give it to him. That's great. You lost 50 plus games anyway.

lol at pinning a 50 game losing season on a rookie point guard, and not a young team or the fact that they fired the coach midway through the season.

What ever makes you feel like your right. Which your not , your wrong 100%.

Wiz, I actually agree with you. Payton's been better this year. They were both rated equally. Payton, out of La-Lafayette, was on Team USA with Smart. This isn't a surprise that he is a productive NBA player.

I just don't really care. Smart vs. Payton? Who cares. Neither is good enough to have a 20 page thread debating.

The title of thread is Marcus Smart is nothing special. You are right. Neither is elfrid Payton.

But you could be wrong. Payton is special. IMO he is very special, and look around lots of people do to. The kid looks very good post all star break.

His skillset is great, he can finish , dunk drive , penetrate......

Hes way stronger to the paint and rim than Rondo ever was or ever will be...

If he devlops a decent shot , he will be a star, because he can get to the line.....

Hes shooting 87% from the line the last 10 games or so, 100% the last 6 games, so he is improving , he even hit 2 threes.

I have been high on him since college and pre draft, hoping the celts would take him. I dont hate Smart, but I preferred Elfrid.

Marcus just does not have the special gifts of a slashing point guard with great finishing ability. He just doesnt.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

...to further argue with Trolls. Payton is on a non-playoff team going nowhere with little direction. He gets free reign. And, he's averaging 8.7 and 6.4 apg.

Smart has nowhere near the latitude to shoot and make mistakes. He will come out of the game. Smart's actually being a role player right now. The Celtics aren't just throwing him out there to develop.

Have you been keeping track lately? hes been the best rookie since the all star break and its not even close, hes been killing it

Hes averaging 14.5 , 9.1, 6.8 since the all star break, 44% field, 35% from deep, and 84% from the line

let that sink in'

Why should anybody let fake numbers sink in? Those stats aren't even close to what he's been putting up. Try 58% from the line.

[jfs1000d]

lol at pinning a 50 game losing season on a rookie point guard, and not a young team or the fact that they fired the coach midway through the season.

What ever makes you feel like your right. Which your not , your wrong 100%.

Wiz, I actually agree with you. Payton's been better this year. They were both rated equally. Payton, out of La-Lafayette, was on Team USA with Smart. This isn't a surprise that he is a productive NBA player.

I just don't really care. Smart vs. Payton? Who cares. Neither is good enough to have a 20 page thread debating.

The title of thread is Marcus Smart is nothing special. You are right. Neither is elfrid Payton.

But you could be wrong. Payton is special. IMO he is very special, and look around lots of people do to. The kid looks very good post all star break.

His skillset is great, he can finish , dunk drive , penetrate......

Hes way stronger to the paint and rim than Rondo ever was or ever will be...

If he devlops a decent shot , he will be a star, because he can get to the line.....

Hes shooting 87% from the line the last 10 games or so, 100% the last 6 games, so he is improving , he even hit 2 threes.

I have been high on him since college and pre draft, hoping the celts would take him. I dont hate Smart, but I preferred Elfrid.

Marcus just does not have the special gifts of a slashing point guard with great finishing ability. He just doesnt.

So now he is better than prime Rondo?

[KGboss]

This is hilarious.

Prime Rondo put up numbers like 20-18-20...put up 44 points guarding Lebron in 2012 in the ECF.

What the hell am i reading here? The only thing Payton is like Rondo at is his broken jumper and hes a good passer. Thats about it.

[15th overall]

Over 10% of the posts in this 18 page thread are by one person and they're spread over less than half of the thread. Impressive.

[ballup]

Wiz, I actually agree with you. Payton's been better this year. They were both rated equally. Payton, out of La-Lafayette, was on Team USA with Smart. This isn't a surprise that he is a productive NBA player.

I just don't really care. Smart vs. Payton? Who cares. Neither is good enough to have a 20 page thread debating.

The title of thread is Marcus Smart is nothing special. You are right. Neither is elfrid Payton.

But you could be wrong. Payton is special. IMO he is very special, and look around lots of people do to. The kid looks very good post all star break.

His skillset is great, he can finish , dunk drive , penetrate......

Hes way stronger to the paint and rim than Rondo ever was or ever will be...

If he devlops a decent shot , he will be a star, because he can get to the line.....

Hes shooting 87% from the line the last 10 games or so, 100% the last 6 games, so he is improving , he even hit 2 threes.

I have been high on him since college and pre draft, hoping the celts would take him. I dont hate Smart, but I preferred Elfrid.

Marcus just does not have the special gifts of a slashing point guard with great finishing ability. He just doesnt.

So now he is better than prime Rondo?

He made 2 threes. That's a surefire sign of a superstar

[AgentGreen]

This is what i hate about forums nowadays, everyone cant respond without getting butt hurt.....

...

All i want to do is go back and forth with some good solid opinions.

Oh, the irony.

[wizfactor94]

This is hilarious.

Prime Rondo put up numbers like 20-18-20...put up 44 points guarding Lebron in 2012 in the ECF.

What the hell am i reading here? The only thing Payton is like Rondo at is his broken jumper and hes a good passer. Thats about it.

You just compared a rookie to numbers rondo got later in his career LOL

[wizfactor94]

Wiz, I actually agree with you. Payton's been better this year. They were both rated equally. Payton, out of La-Lafayette, was on Team USA with Smart. This isn't a surprise that he is a productive NBA player.

I just don't really care. Smart vs. Payton? Who cares. Neither is good enough to have a 20 page thread debating.

The title of thread is Marcus Smart is nothing special. You are right. Neither is elfrid Payton.

But you could be wrong. Payton is special. IMO he is very special, and look around lots of people do to. The kid looks very good post all star break.

His skillset is great, he can finish , dunk drive , penetrate......

Hes way stronger to the paint and rim than Rondo ever was or ever will be...

If he devlops a decent shot , he will be a star, because he can get to the line.....

Hes shooting 87% from the line the last 10 games or so, 100% the last 6 games, so he is improving , he even hit 2 threes.

I have been high on him since college and pre draft, hoping the celts would take him. I dont hate Smart, but I preferred Elfrid.

Marcus just does not have the special gifts of a slashing point guard with great finishing ability. He just doesnt.

So now he is better than prime Rondo?

Why ask that quesion?

He sure better than Rookie Smart.

[jfs1000d]

But you could be wrong. Payton is special. IMO he is very special, and look around lots of people do to. The kid looks very good post all star break.

His skillset is great, he can finish , dunk drive , penetrate......

Hes way stronger to the paint and rim than Rondo ever was or ever will be...

If he devlops a decent shot , he will be a star, because he can get to the line.....

Hes shooting 87% from the line the last 10 games or so, 100% the last 6 games, so he is improving , he even hit 2 threes.

I have been high on him since college and pre draft, hoping the celts would take him. I dont hate Smart, but I preferred Elfrid.

Marcus just does not have the special gifts of a slashing point guard with great finishing ability. He just doesnt.

So now he is better than prime Rondo?

Why ask that quesion?

He sure better than Rookie Smart.

He is. He's had a better year and is deserving over Smart of being first team all-rookie. That's not what this thread is about.

It's about Marcus Smart being special, which he is not, and Elfrid payton being special, which he is not.

It is perfectly understandable that you feel Smart's overrated and Payton is better. Right now, payton's had the better rookie year. I think Smart's been OK this year and I've seen enough to be encouraged, especially as a scorer. The game and ability are there.

But, you don't like Smart. Fine. Smart isn't a superstar in waiting. I don't like Payton, which is fine, Payton isn't a superstar in waiting.

Both are decent guard prospects. Both are NBA starters. It's not like we missed out on Russell Westbrook here.

[jfs1000d]

Lastly, just look at Payton's shot chart. Guy is 4 of 21 from 3 in the era of pace and space. He is 31 of 94 on the season, 33 percent, outside the paint this season.

Sorry. No thank you.

If the Magic ever get good, that's a spacing killer. We have had drag down fights here about how Rondo's shooting ability killed our offense even when he averaged 10 assists per game.No one knows more than Celtics fans the limits of a non-shooter at PG. We've lived it. The kid can attack the basket. He gets a jumper, then I love him. But, I got to see it. Celtics waited almost a decade for Rondo before giving up.

[wizfactor94]

Lastly, just look at Payton's shot chart. Guy is 4 of 21 from 3 in the era of pace and space. He is 31 of 94 on the season, 33 percent, outside the paint this season.

Sorry. No thank you.

If the Magic ever get good, that's a spacing killer. We have had drag down fights here about how Rondo's shooting ability killed our offense even when he averaged 10 assists per game.No one knows more than Celtics fans the limits of a non-shooter at PG. We've lived it. The kid can attack the basket.

Tell me what Tony Parker is in his career from Deep, you know a point guard that has actually won rings.....

Westbrook is not exactly a three point shooter either, and while curry is amazing, he hasnt won anything just yet.

People want to discredit non shooting point guards because of that reason alone......point guards alone dont win rings but if you get the right people around them they can win!

Marcus Smart is great for what he is.....but right now seeing the way he plays, he is another Tony Allen type player....and while Rondo is made fun off and comparing him to Elfrid is a disgrace to people here (which is laughable and shows the loyalty some fans have) even with the Ray situation.......fans easily turn on a player .....

Rondo was reguarded and loved by fans on forums, and when he gets traded everyone points out the flaws, destroying him...

Its sad

But Elfrid is also a bit different from Rondo , hes taller, and he finishes better and attacks much better, hes not scared to go to the basket

maybe Elfrid will turn out to be a terrible shooter like Rondo, but I dont see the fear, hes been doing much better the last month, much much better actually from the line ...


Smart is shooting 65% from the line, Rondo shot 65% from the line his rookie year

somehow hes a good shooter......

I bet if Rondo took the number of 3's Smart has taken , he would be around the same % ...the more you take with no care , the more you will make being comfortable, i really believe that.

With all this said.......I believe his skillset is made for a starting guard.....Smart just seems like a role player at this point.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Lastly, just look at Payton's shot chart. Guy is 4 of 21 from 3 in the era of pace and space. He is 31 of 94 on the season, 33 percent, outside the paint this season.

Sorry. No thank you.

If the Magic ever get good, that's a spacing killer. We have had drag down fights here about how Rondo's shooting ability killed our offense even when he averaged 10 assists per game.No one knows more than Celtics fans the limits of a non-shooter at PG. We've lived it. The kid can attack the basket.

Tell me what Tony Parker is in his career from Deep, you know a point guard that has actually won rings.....

Westbrook is not exactly a three point shooter either, and while curry is amazing, he hasnt won anything just yet.

People want to discredit non shooting point guards because of that reason alone......point guards alone dont win rings but if you get the right people around them they can win!

Marcus Smart is great for what he is.....but right now seeing the way he plays, he is another Tony Allen type player....and while Rondo is made fun off and comparing him to Elfrid is a disgrace to people here (which is laughable and shows the loyalty some fans have) even with the Ray situation.......fans easily turn on a player .....

Rondo was reguarded and loved by fans on forums, and when he gets traded everyone points out the flaws, destroying him...

Its sad

But Elfrid is also a bit different from Rondo , hes taller, and he finishes better and attacks much better, hes not scared to go to the basket

maybe Elfrid will turn out to be a terrible shooter like Rondo, but I dont see the fear, hes been doing much better the last month, much much better actually from the line ...


Smart is shooting 65% from the line, Rondo shot 65% from the line his rookie year

somehow hes a good shooter......

I bet if Rondo took the number of 3's Smart has taken , he would be around the same % ...the more you take with no care , the more you will make being comfortable, i really believe that.

With all this said.......I believe his skillset is made for a starting guard.....Smart just seems like a role player at this point.

You've regergitated the same few points over n over n over in the last 25 posts you've made on this one thread. Few decent points, I'll give you that. But again, a few points of analysis, 25-35 posts repeating the same few points.
You ever tune into popular radio n they have a lineup of the same ten songs? and they just rinse n repeat, looping away n away and then you just shut the freaking thing off cause you've listened to "Thinking out loud" by Ed Sheeran for the fifth time in one Monday morning commute.
Well that is you sir. You are a looper by definition. You're a super looper in fact after the 12th time posting on this one thread. I think I'm speaking for everybody now that we are about turn the radio off, cause we're four five seconds from wilden.
Good day to you sir

[SmartWentCrazy]

FWIW, None of these people are even Magic fans. Haven't seen them on the forum.

Payton is this years Michael Carter-Williams, a pig with lipstick. You may see a babe, but I still see a pig.

Biggest difference is Payton knows his strengths and weaknesses. He needs to work on shooting but hes not gonna take 20 shots and 10 3 pointers like MCW. Also doesn't turn it over much / has much greater vision.

Some of you are dead wrong about Payton but that's fine.

It's normal to be excited about your own PG, both franchises are fine not trading for each other's and there's nothing wrong with that, but trust me.. no Magic fans are trolling your board. I hope for some Smart/Payton duels for a long time. It'll be fun to see how all the PG's from this class develop.

http://bkref.com/tiny/5Ulim

They're honestly remarkably similar, subjective assessments aside. MCW was a slightly more efficient player on offense, but their per 36 and advanced stats are very close. And neither has/had been a positive on offense according to their advanced stats.

Payton is undoubtedly having a better year than Smart. I'd love to throw subjective measures around to try to prove a point, but he's just not having a better year. But neither guy is a surefire superstar. Neither will ever likely be a #2 guy on a championship caliber team, let alone a #1. This doesn't mean both can't be good players, but it's just my honest opinion. Personally, I hope I'm wrong on both players as it'd be nice to see a rivalry bud over the years.

[SmartWentCrazy]

But dont get all angry and post dumb things like WIN SHARES between two rookies , just to fit the narrative..lets talk skill sets, what they can do what they cant do.

Honest advise here:

Instead of posting "WIN SHARES LOL" repeatedly like a 13 year old who doesn't understand the concept, vocalize why you feel something is inappropriate as a basis for comparison. You've made good points, but you've also come across as an arrogant teenager at times as well. Instantly dismissing something in an aggressive manner is just immature, and only leads to people discrediting you and your opinions. You're a smart guy, use the education you have to articulate your points.

Good luck in the playoffs to your Wizards.

[wizfactor94]

But dont get all angry and post dumb things like WIN SHARES between two rookies , just to fit the narrative..lets talk skill sets, what they can do what they cant do.

Honest advise here:

Instead of posting "WIN SHARES LOL" repeatedly like a 13 year old who doesn't understand the concept, vocalize why you feel something is inappropriate as a basis for comparison. You've made good points, but you've also come across as an arrogant teenager at times as well. Instantly dismissing something in an aggressive manner is just immature, and only leads to people discrediting you and your opinions. You're a smart guy, use the education you have to articulate your points.

Good luck in the playoffs to your Wizards.

Your using WIN SHARES to tell me whos better between two rookies...that shows that you are digging deep for anything to say that Smart is better.....im trying to show you and others the difference between skill sets...you fail to understand that....but keep grasping on to WIN SHARES....I bet Marcus Smart was the reason they won yesterday's game two,,,,,,Smart has 21 games where he has made 1 field goal.

[SmartWentCrazy]

But dont get all angry and post dumb things like WIN SHARES between two rookies , just to fit the narrative..lets talk skill sets, what they can do what they cant do.

Honest advise here:

Instead of posting "WIN SHARES LOL" repeatedly like a 13 year old who doesn't understand the concept, vocalize why you feel something is inappropriate as a basis for comparison. You've made good points, but you've also come across as an arrogant teenager at times as well. Instantly dismissing something in an aggressive manner is just immature, and only leads to people discrediting you and your opinions. You're a smart guy, use the education you have to articulate your points.

Good luck in the playoffs to your Wizards.

Your using WIN SHARES to tell me whos better between two rookies...that shows that you are digging deep for anything to say that Smart is better.....im trying to show you and others the difference between skill sets...you fail to understand that....but keep grasping on to WIN SHARES....I bet Marcus Smart was the reason they won yesterday's game two,,,,,,Smart has 21 games where he has made 1 field goal.

Win Shares is a statistical measure aggregating multiple inputs in an attempt to evaluate a players overall impact. Its a very common advanced statistic used to determine a players overall impact and there was no digging whatsoever to find something that shows Smart as the superior player (most advanced statistics paint him in this light, as an FYI). If you don't understand it, read up on it and what it measures rather than blindly attacking it.

No, Marcus Smart wasn't the reason they won yesterday. Yes, he's had many games with little impact in regards to scoring. I fail to see why this shows that Payton is a special player. If anything, it hurts your assertion as despite all of Smart's failures in your eyes, he still ranks as the more impactful offensive player.

Elfrid Payton is having a better season. Nearly everyone here agrees with you. However, no one here thinks that a rookie PG who cannot shoot and is averaging 9 points a game is special. Sorry, but it's the truth. You call us 'butt-hurt', but you seem to be the only one bent out of shape by this...