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The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

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Re: The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0) 

Post#341 » by CelticsLV » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:23 pm

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CelticsLV wrote:"We're not looking for Band-Aids and we're not looking to give up future assets. We're trying to build something that is a little bit more sustainable than we are to rent a player."

"You can't just put a rebounder that can't shoot out on the court because it might provide a little bit of help on the rebounding end, but it takes away from what our strength is on the offensive end," Ainge said. "We know what our weaknesses are. We'd like rim protection and rebounding. But at the same time we do like skilled bigs to play around our guards."

Ainge also said somewhere something about injuries and that this team hasn't really played a lot together at full strenght. Basically pointing to that he wants to see this team after the all-star break at full strenght.

Don't expect even a trade for an expiring big. This is all you need to hear. No minor moves at all. It's either a blockbuster or a trade for someone who's in our future plans.


He'd give up that Minny 2nd for a stopgap big, I bet.


As darrendaye said. 2nd rounder is still an asset that can bring a future stud. "Insert expiring big's name here" doesn't change anything. We're still not getting past Cavs and ECF is the ceiling for this current roster. Despite injuries Boston still stands at the 2nd place so i see no reason why we can't get it when healthy. It means home court and no Cavs until ECF.
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Post#342 » by TheOGJabroni » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:33 pm

So here's a somewhat off the wall trade idea:

Let's say Boston wants Paul George and it's going to most likely take at least 2/3 of Brown, Brooklyn 17 & Brooklyn 18 1st rounders (plus taking Ellis' contract back to get it done). We all know Danny is basically making the Brooklyn 17 pick nearly untouchable unless it is for a superstar (not sure PG qualifies as that) & I highly doubt he has any interest in acquiring Ellis. What if we could dump Ellis on a team that has cap space. Enter: Philadelphia. We've heard the discussions before where acquiring Noel is tricky because they want a guard of Bradley's caliber and talent, but Celtics fans don't value Noel that high. Would this be a more even trade if we dump Ellis on them in order to get a deal for PG done?

Boston in: George & Noel
Indiana in: Brown, Zeller, Jerebko & Brooklyn 18 1st
Philadelphia in: Bradley & Ellis

Boston keeps the Brooklyn 17 1st and adds a guard to fill out the roster:

Thomas / Fultz*
Smart / Rozier
George / Crowder
Horford / Johnson
Noel / Olynyk
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Re: The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0) 

Post#343 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:37 pm

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Captain_Caveman wrote:
CelticsLV wrote:"We're not looking for Band-Aids and we're not looking to give up future assets. We're trying to build something that is a little bit more sustainable than we are to rent a player."

"You can't just put a rebounder that can't shoot out on the court because it might provide a little bit of help on the rebounding end, but it takes away from what our strength is on the offensive end," Ainge said. "We know what our weaknesses are. We'd like rim protection and rebounding. But at the same time we do like skilled bigs to play around our guards."

Ainge also said somewhere something about injuries and that this team hasn't really played a lot together at full strenght. Basically pointing to that he wants to see this team after the all-star break at full strenght.

Don't expect even a trade for an expiring big. This is all you need to hear. No minor moves at all. It's either a blockbuster or a trade for someone who's in our future plans.


He'd give up that Minny 2nd for a stopgap big, I bet.


As darrendaye said. 2nd rounder is still an asset that can bring a future stud. "Insert expiring big's name here" doesn't change anything. We're still not getting past Cavs and ECF is the ceiling for this current roster. Despite injuries Boston still stands at the 2nd place so i see no reason why we can't get it when healthy. It means home court and no Cavs until ECF.


Good luck finding a roster spot for that 2nd rounder next season.
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Post#344 » by sully00 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:39 pm

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sully00 wrote:Absolutely. That is not insult it is just a fact. Steph Curry is considered an MVP because he puts up great numbers on a great team. He wasn't an MVP when he put up the same kind of numbers on a 45 win team and nobody would care if it was a 35 win team. I would say the same thing about Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli they would be considered great players on any team their post season success is what has separated them. Steve Nash is another great comparison to Steph Curry.

The Warriors were able to take this compilation of 2nd tier stars 7 or 8 players deep and added a smart coach who implemented a system that took it to another level. Guys who were the best players on their previous team were now going to be role players on the Warriors.

Trust me this isn't easy DAL who has a smart coach who has done it before can't put the right pieces together even though they keep trying.

I don't think IT is a significant better or more talented player than he was two years ago. His coach, role, the roster around him and how he is used is what has changed. Put him on the Sixers tomorrow he will still be a good player but he won't be somebody talked about as an MVP candidate.

Let me add put IT on the Warriors instead of Curry and the Warriors are still the hands down favorites to win the championship.


Hands-down one of the worst takes I have ever read on all of RealGM.

Only two players in a Celtics uniform have ever been better than Curry has over the last couple of years. Russell and Bird, that's it. Only other one who was even close was KG. Curry miles ahead of Pierce, Hondo, Cowens, McHale, etc...

You don't luck your way to 73 wins with plucky role players.


No kiddng that is what makes your position so bizarre. Nobody is saying Curry is a plucky role player the exact opposite Warriors roster goes 7-8 deep with guys who would be a #1 or #2 option on most teams. Harrison Barnes is a great example. That said I don't think any of them are top 5 guys except for Durant. Steph is not much of a defender and average as a PG. Tremendous shooter and scorer and plays big in the postseason.

As far as him being a top 5 or 10 player of all time that is a joke he isn't a top 5 player of his own era.
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Re: The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0) 

Post#345 » by CelticsLV » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:54 pm

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Captain_Caveman wrote:
He'd give up that Minny 2nd for a stopgap big, I bet.


As darrendaye said. 2nd rounder is still an asset that can bring a future stud. "Insert expiring big's name here" doesn't change anything. We're still not getting past Cavs and ECF is the ceiling for this current roster. Despite injuries Boston still stands at the 2nd place so i see no reason why we can't get it when healthy. It means home court and no Cavs until ECF.


Good luck finding a roster spot for that 2nd rounder next season.


:lol: It's not like roster size was just increased to 17 players and Amir, Jerebko, Green, Zeller doesn't expire.
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Post#346 » by darrendaye » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:56 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
CelticsLV wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
He'd give up that Minny 2nd for a stopgap big, I bet.


As darrendaye said. 2nd rounder is still an asset that can bring a future stud. "Insert expiring big's name here" doesn't change anything. We're still not getting past Cavs and ECF is the ceiling for this current roster. Despite injuries Boston still stands at the 2nd place so i see no reason why we can't get it when healthy. It means home court and no Cavs until ECF.


Good luck finding a roster spot for that 2nd rounder next season.


Well, you have 4 untethered in Amir, Jerebko, Green and Young and 4 likely coming in with Brk 1st, Zizic, Yabusele, and Nader. Keeping the Minny 2nd gives you the opportunity to grab a guy you like who's slipping and either: cutting Zeller, cutting or trading Mickey for a future pick, cutting or trading Jackson for a future pick, trading Rozier for a future pick, or other move. OR they could simply deal the pick for a future pick and another scratch off ticket.
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Re: The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0) 

Post#347 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:57 pm

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CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
CelticsLV wrote:
As darrendaye said. 2nd rounder is still an asset that can bring a future stud. "Insert expiring big's name here" doesn't change anything. We're still not getting past Cavs and ECF is the ceiling for this current roster. Despite injuries Boston still stands at the 2nd place so i see no reason why we can't get it when healthy. It means home court and no Cavs until ECF.


Good luck finding a roster spot for that 2nd rounder next season.


:lol: It's not like roster size was just increased to 17 players and Amir, Jerebko, Green, Zeller doesn't expire.


Ah, fair point. Forgot about that. Good catch.
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Post#348 » by darrendaye » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:04 pm

As I've said before, I might trade Mickey for a stopgap, provided it's an expiring contract and someone I MIGHT want to bring back next year if nothing shakes out in free agency.
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Re: The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0) 

Post#349 » by Marvel » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:09 pm

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CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
CelticsLV wrote:
As darrendaye said. 2nd rounder is still an asset that can bring a future stud. "Insert expiring big's name here" doesn't change anything. We're still not getting past Cavs and ECF is the ceiling for this current roster. Despite injuries Boston still stands at the 2nd place so i see no reason why we can't get it when healthy. It means home court and no Cavs until ECF.


Good luck finding a roster spot for that 2nd rounder next season.


:lol: It's not like roster size was just increased to 17 players and Amir, Jerebko, Green, Zeller doesn't expire.


Zeller has another year left.
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Post#350 » by OFWGKTA » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:11 pm

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CelticsLV wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Good luck finding a roster spot for that 2nd rounder next season.


:lol: It's not like roster size was just increased to 17 players and Amir, Jerebko, Green, Zeller doesn't expire.


Zeller has another year left.



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Post#351 » by Marvel » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:13 pm

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CelticsLV wrote:
:lol: It's not like roster size was just increased to 17 players and Amir, Jerebko, Green, Zeller doesn't expire.


Zeller has another year left.



Contract is unguaranteed, we can cut him for nothing.


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Post#352 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:15 pm

Hate to be *that guy* and **** on both sides of the curtain here buuuuuuttt it's kinda dumb to waste a year of IT and others on good contracts so we kinda should make a trade for someone to shore up the rebounding if it's available, but at the same time yeah Cavs exist so what's the point buuuuuut there's alot to be said for having a deep run at them compared to an embarrassment in round 2 for the overall moral and *vision* of this team
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Post#353 » by darrendaye » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:20 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Hate to be *that guy* and **** on both sides of the curtain here buuuuuuttt it's kinda dumb to waste a year of IT and others on good contracts so we kinda should make a trade for someone to shore up the rebounding if it's available, but at the same time yeah Cavs exist so what's the point buuuuuut there's alot to be said for having a deep run at them compared to an embarrassment in round 2 for the overall moral and *vision* of this team


Well, let's say the C's are leading contender to sign Larry Sanders or, Bogut hypothetically if bought out. What do you do to free up the spot?
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Post#354 » by canman1971 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:26 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Hate to be *that guy* and **** on both sides of the curtain here buuuuuuttt it's kinda dumb to waste a year of IT and others on good contracts so we kinda should make a trade for someone to shore up the rebounding if it's available, but at the same time yeah Cavs exist so what's the point buuuuuut there's alot to be said for having a deep run at them compared to an embarrassment in round 2 for the overall moral and *vision* of this team

I think the comment "if it's available" is the most important thing you mention and Ainge will do it appropriately. And I do think the Cavs could be beaten if played on an even playing field. However, as we know the NBA loves to lick the balls of LeBitch so it would take a monumental effort on the part of the Celtics, or anyone for that matter, to beat them before the finals. The NBA and it's treatment of "star" players is beyond embarrassing compared to all the other major sports and I really don't get it.
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Post#355 » by rickrolled » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:33 pm

This years deadline will be the quietest ever on the Celtics' front.
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Post#356 » by leper-con » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:35 pm

rickrolled wrote:This years deadline will be the quietest ever on the Celtics' front.




Nothing is going to happen this weekend and chatter will be low.
The NBA frowns on trades during the All star event. they want the focus to be on celebrating the game.
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Post#357 » by FlatearthZorro » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:00 pm

leper-con wrote:
rickrolled wrote:This years deadline will be the quietest ever on the Celtics' front.




Nothing is going to happen this weekend and chatter will be low.
The NBA frowns on trades during the All star event. they want the focus to be on celebrating the game.


When's the deadline btw?

I'm still hoping for Bogut..
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Post#358 » by canman1971 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:04 pm

Boston34Bg wrote:
leper-con wrote:
rickrolled wrote:This years deadline will be the quietest ever on the Celtics' front.




Nothing is going to happen this weekend and chatter will be low.
The NBA frowns on trades during the All star event. they want the focus to be on celebrating the game.


When's the deadline btw?

I'm still hoping for Bogut..

February 23 3pm I believe.
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Post#359 » by CelticsLV » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:13 pm

Looking at Smitty's salary sheet i understand that we can't sign 7-9 year vet for max unless we let Olynyk go or clear something from guaranteed salary - Bradley, Crowder, Brown, Smart, Rozier. Because, depending at which spot we pick, our 1st round pick and Zizič could add up to 7mil in salary.
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Post#360 » by Writebloc » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:14 pm

I don't even know what to make of this!

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