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thelarrybirdx wrote:Valid wrote:Kyrie For Three wrote:Lebron is also dog ****. I hope other stars go to the Clippers and pummel the Lakers asses hardcore.
There haven't been many scummier superstars in this league than him.
And yet the media paints him as "classy."
Dude he opened a freaking school. How on earth can you guys call him scummy?
GoCeltics123 wrote:ViperGTS wrote:GoCeltics123 wrote:This is very false.
We are not the Rockets. We don't have an old roster and have no assets. It is young. As of now Kyrie is committed, according to all the non Rich Paul-fed media sources like O'Connor, Robb, Amick, Bulpett, and reload here on realgm.
If you don't get AD, your roster is fine. There is a lot of talent on this roster. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.
You wait this out for the next star, or stick with the roster you have and go for it. As hard as it is for some fans on this board to believe, Tatum and Brown could be stars one day!
He has a hard on for AD is all. It is understandable but also clouds judgement. Probably the first time, from media and fans I have ever heard there is no future without AD.
Well AD is a f***** amazing player, and you're a super duper title contender with him. His hard on is justified, AD is that good.
But declaring this roster what it is now is f***** stupid, even if the Lakeshow get AD (or even more hopefully not the Knicks), mainly if Kyrie stays. It's a really f****** good roster talent-wise. Most teams would kill to have the amount of talent we do. And it's young!!!!!!! Not old, young!!! It'll only get better.
If we don't get AD it f***** blows, but you move on. I want AD bad, just like I wanted KG bad at the time, but unlike 2007, the existing Celtics team could honestly get to the Finals and get it to 5/6 with such a young roster. And with GS likely breaking up a bit next year.
Kyrie For Three wrote:Jaqua92 wrote:Can someone point out where AD said he didnt want to play in Boston? Its been said by many posters, but that rumor barely came out of Lakers media..nvm national media..nevermind AD himself. In fact, it was said that the appeal of playing in Boston for him would be teamming up with Kyrie.
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He never said this. LA-ESPN just wants you to think he only wants the Lakers.
robdog_5 wrote:AD has never said he doesn't want to be in Boston. He wants to compete for a title. His agent will leak stuff to steer him to Lakers because that benefits Lebron and that is his main goal.
Fencer reregistered wrote:thelarrybirdx wrote:Valid wrote:There haven't been many scummier superstars in this league than him.
And yet the media paints him as "classy."
Dude he opened a freaking school. How on earth can you guys call him scummy?
He also is married to his high school sweetheart.
LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Fencer reregistered wrote:thelarrybirdx wrote:
Dude he opened a freaking school. How on earth can you guys call him scummy?
He also is married to his high school sweetheart.
With multiple infidelities in between
Tatumfor2 wrote:Here's a "what if" for you...
What if Toronto pulls off the trade of trades for AD now. Kawhi is likely leaving, AD would follow suit the year after. They would probably trade him to recoup what they lost. Would we be willing to give up Tatum an Brown to the Raptors? I'd be sick to my stomach watching that. Projectile vomit if AD leaves.
Another question. A trade doesn't happen. Am I right in assuming we can sign Kyrie before making the trade for AD? Not just wait for him to opt out, but actually sign him? If Kyrie doesn't sign, then we don't trade for AD...
ViperGTS wrote:GoCeltics123 wrote:ViperGTS wrote:
He has a hard on for AD is all. It is understandable but also clouds judgement. Probably the first time, from media and fans I have ever heard there is no future without AD.
Well AD is a f***** amazing player, and you're a super duper title contender with him. His hard on is justified, AD is that good.
But declaring this roster what it is now is f***** stupid, even if the Lakeshow get AD (or even more hopefully not the Knicks), mainly if Kyrie stays. It's a really f****** good roster talent-wise. Most teams would kill to have the amount of talent we do. And it's young!!!!!!! Not old, young!!! It'll only get better.
If we don't get AD it f***** blows, but you move on. I want AD bad, just like I wanted KG bad at the time, but unlike 2007, the existing Celtics team could honestly get to the Finals and get it to 5/6 with such a young roster. And with GS likely breaking up a bit next year.
Bulpett has a line that’s intriguing. Maybe some other team decimate it’s roster. That’s exactly what the Cs would do and there is no real need to. In reality, no team should although I would love for the Lakers to do that.
GoCeltics123 wrote:LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Fencer reregistered wrote:
He also is married to his high school sweetheart.
With multiple infidelities in between
https://brobible.com/sports/article/instagram-model-exposes-lebron-james/
GoCeltics123 wrote:ViperGTS wrote:GoCeltics123 wrote:Well AD is a f***** amazing player, and you're a super duper title contender with him. His hard on is justified, AD is that good.
But declaring this roster what it is now is f***** stupid, even if the Lakeshow get AD (or even more hopefully not the Knicks), mainly if Kyrie stays. It's a really f****** good roster talent-wise. Most teams would kill to have the amount of talent we do. And it's young!!!!!!! Not old, young!!! It'll only get better.
If we don't get AD it f***** blows, but you move on. I want AD bad, just like I wanted KG bad at the time, but unlike 2007, the existing Celtics team could honestly get to the Finals and get it to 5/6 with such a young roster. And with GS likely breaking up a bit next year.
Bulpett has a line that’s intriguing. Maybe some other team decimate it’s roster. That’s exactly what the Cs would do and there is no real need to. In reality, no team should although I would love for the Lakers to do that.
There isn't a need but it's a should. AD is a top 5 player that any team would decimate their roster for, he's that good.
Does that make this current roster screwed though? No.
djFan71 wrote:One option we've kinda forgotten about is dumping Bird and using the taxpayer MLE to sign a buyout/unsigned guy to a 3 yr deal, team option on the 3rd. Starting at the max 5.337 with 5% raise is 5.60385M in the summer.
You do that and you can send:
S&T Rozier (starting in the $12-14M range - worth 50% going out)
Tatum or Jaylen
Yabu and Williams
MEM pick
SAC or BOS pick (probably depending on which Jay)
Then you get to keep Smart. Resign Morris and you have:
Kyrie, Smart, Jay X, Horford, AD, Hayward, Morris, Baynes, Wanamaker, Semi, remaining 1st, Mini-MLE, vet mins. Possibly Theis.
Title.
Why would Terry do it? He agrees ahead of time, gets a good contract on Day 1 and goes to a team with other young guys he knows and gets to start. Could be appealing. If he wants to test the waters, that option is out since you want to wrap up the trade early. I assume you can negotiate with your own RFA ahead of time so this isn't illegal?
And, even if Terry doesn't want to/we can't, if the LAC pick converts: Tatum, Yabu, Williams, MLE, MEM, SAC (#12), LAC (#18) gets you enough. That's a stud player, a big prospect and a ton of picks for New Orleans. Then we match Terry and use him or trade him in the summer or later to fill out the squad even more.
ViperGTS wrote:djFan71 wrote:One option we've kinda forgotten about is dumping Bird and using the taxpayer MLE to sign a buyout/unsigned guy to a 3 yr deal, team option on the 3rd. Starting at the max 5.337 with 5% raise is 5.60385M in the summer.
You do that and you can send:
S&T Rozier (starting in the $12-14M range - worth 50% going out)
Tatum or Jaylen
Yabu and Williams
MEM pick
SAC or BOS pick (probably depending on which Jay)
Then you get to keep Smart. Resign Morris and you have:
Kyrie, Smart, Jay X, Horford, AD, Hayward, Morris, Baynes, Wanamaker, Semi, remaining 1st, Mini-MLE, vet mins. Possibly Theis.
Title.
Why would Terry do it? He agrees ahead of time, gets a good contract on Day 1 and goes to a team with other young guys he knows and gets to start. Could be appealing. If he wants to test the waters, that option is out since you want to wrap up the trade early. I assume you can negotiate with your own RFA ahead of time so this isn't illegal?
And, even if Terry doesn't want to/we can't, if the LAC pick converts: Tatum, Yabu, Williams, MLE, MEM, SAC (#12), LAC (#18) gets you enough. That's a stud player, a big prospect and a ton of picks for New Orleans. Then we match Terry and use him or trade him in the summer or later to fill out the squad even more.
The other option is why does any team want to bail NO out? They are in a position of weakness.
djFan71 wrote:ViperGTS wrote:djFan71 wrote:One option we've kinda forgotten about is dumping Bird and using the taxpayer MLE to sign a buyout/unsigned guy to a 3 yr deal, team option on the 3rd. Starting at the max 5.337 with 5% raise is 5.60385M in the summer.
You do that and you can send:
S&T Rozier (starting in the $12-14M range - worth 50% going out)
Tatum or Jaylen
Yabu and Williams
MEM pick
SAC or BOS pick (probably depending on which Jay)
Then you get to keep Smart. Resign Morris and you have:
Kyrie, Smart, Jay X, Horford, AD, Hayward, Morris, Baynes, Wanamaker, Semi, remaining 1st, Mini-MLE, vet mins. Possibly Theis.
Title.
Why would Terry do it? He agrees ahead of time, gets a good contract on Day 1 and goes to a team with other young guys he knows and gets to start. Could be appealing. If he wants to test the waters, that option is out since you want to wrap up the trade early. I assume you can negotiate with your own RFA ahead of time so this isn't illegal?
And, even if Terry doesn't want to/we can't, if the LAC pick converts: Tatum, Yabu, Williams, MLE, MEM, SAC (#12), LAC (#18) gets you enough. That's a stud player, a big prospect and a ton of picks for New Orleans. Then we match Terry and use him or trade him in the summer or later to fill out the squad even more.
The other option is why does any team want to bail NO out? They are in a position of weakness.
I know you've been fighting the good fight to keep the offer low, and that's cool. NO has 29 teams bidding for the dude, they'r not in a position of weakness - they are auctioning off one of the best players in the game. If you can get away with including less because nobody else can go that high, great, and I'm sure Danny will do his best.
But, one Jay, maybe Rozier, filler and picks isn't some crazy overpay.
“The message that’s been given out to teams is, ‘Hey if you want to make an offer go ahead, we’ll put it up on our board.’ But New Orleans is really focused on the long play here with these trade talks with Anthony Davis. The trade deadline is obviously next Thursday [February 7]. It is very unlikely that they’re going to be engaged seriously enough with anybody to do a trade by then.”
“Essentially, having Boston in the bidding, who is the team with the most draft picks, several outstanding young players and a really motivated team to try to acquire Anthony Davis it only elevates everyone else’s offers in the trade process and Boston is going to be there. And I think, Boston has sent a message to the Pelicans, ‘Be patient. Wait for us, we are going to be in this and we’re going to be willing to talk about essentially everyone on our roster outside of Kyrie Irving.’ So, I think right now it’s put New Orleans very much in a holding pattern and it’s really dampened the possibility of the [Los Angeles] Lakers being able to do what they’d love to do, is get a deal done prior to the trade deadline. New Orleans has no interest in acquiescing Anthony Davis to the Lakers right now.”
ViperGTS wrote:djFan71 wrote:ViperGTS wrote:
The other option is why does any team want to bail NO out? They are in a position of weakness.
I know you've been fighting the good fight to keep the offer low, and that's cool. NO has 29 teams bidding for the dude, they'r not in a position of weakness - they are auctioning off one of the best players in the game. If you can get away with including less because nobody else can go that high, great, and I'm sure Danny will do his best.
But, one Jay, maybe Rozier, filler and picks isn't some crazy overpay.
Brown, Rozier and filler is more than good enough. Thats my limit and should be Ainges. If NO can get better, be my guest. Ainge is in a position of strength of that I hope we can agree.
Kyrie For Three wrote:The exact Woj quotes from tonight:
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/30/woj-celtics-tell-pelicans-everyone-but-kyrie-irving-is-available/“The message that’s been given out to teams is, ‘Hey if you want to make an offer go ahead, we’ll put it up on our board.’ But New Orleans is really focused on the long play here with these trade talks with Anthony Davis. The trade deadline is obviously next Thursday [February 7]. It is very unlikely that they’re going to be engaged seriously enough with anybody to do a trade by then.”“Essentially, having Boston in the bidding, who is the team with the most draft picks, several outstanding young players and a really motivated team to try to acquire Anthony Davis it only elevates everyone else’s offers in the trade process and Boston is going to be there. And I think, Boston has sent a message to the Pelicans, ‘Be patient. Wait for us, we are going to be in this and we’re going to be willing to talk about essentially everyone on our roster outside of Kyrie Irving.’ So, I think right now it’s put New Orleans very much in a holding pattern and it’s really dampened the possibility of the [Los Angeles] Lakers being able to do what they’d love to do, is get a deal done prior to the trade deadline. New Orleans has no interest in acquiescing Anthony Davis to the Lakers right now.”
ViperGTS wrote:Kyrie For Three wrote:The exact Woj quotes from tonight:
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/30/woj-celtics-tell-pelicans-everyone-but-kyrie-irving-is-available/“The message that’s been given out to teams is, ‘Hey if you want to make an offer go ahead, we’ll put it up on our board.’ But New Orleans is really focused on the long play here with these trade talks with Anthony Davis. The trade deadline is obviously next Thursday [February 7]. It is very unlikely that they’re going to be engaged seriously enough with anybody to do a trade by then.”“Essentially, having Boston in the bidding, who is the team with the most draft picks, several outstanding young players and a really motivated team to try to acquire Anthony Davis it only elevates everyone else’s offers in the trade process and Boston is going to be there. And I think, Boston has sent a message to the Pelicans, ‘Be patient. Wait for us, we are going to be in this and we’re going to be willing to talk about essentially everyone on our roster outside of Kyrie Irving.’ So, I think right now it’s put New Orleans very much in a holding pattern and it’s really dampened the possibility of the [Los Angeles] Lakers being able to do what they’d love to do, is get a deal done prior to the trade deadline. New Orleans has no interest in acquiescing Anthony Davis to the Lakers right now.”
Interesting. Willing and essentially. Not exactly here, take what you want. I bet AD goes for far less than everyone thinks he will as does every single player ever traded.
djFan71 wrote:ViperGTS wrote:djFan71 wrote:I know you've been fighting the good fight to keep the offer low, and that's cool. NO has 29 teams bidding for the dude, they'r not in a position of weakness - they are auctioning off one of the best players in the game. If you can get away with including less because nobody else can go that high, great, and I'm sure Danny will do his best.
But, one Jay, maybe Rozier, filler and picks isn't some crazy overpay.
Brown, Rozier and filler is more than good enough. Thats my limit and should be Ainges. If NO can get better, be my guest. Ainge is in a position of strength of that I hope we can agree.
I'd love to get that deal and so would Ainge. He definitely has some power since other teams will be more scared than he will that AD bolts to LA after 1 year. I still think the MEM tank or SAC lotto luck is really the only chance of keeping Tatum out of it, though. Knicks would be the only ones with a pick with that potential that could stomach trading it for AD and risk him going to LA. Either LA team missing the playoffs and getting lotto luck would be game over. Can't really see any other team rolling the dice this summer.
Anyways, the whole idea of my MLE post is that it helps match salary without having to send out guys we want to keep (Smart, both jays, etc). I think you would be on board for that part of it, right?