Tacko Fall Signed to Two-Way (10-13-19)

[Triple7]

To be fair water needs to be two way or on roster. His defense is amazing. Like a 5 11 smart. He is no IT. His offense seemed really good to. I can see him being our third pg sooner than later. TACKO should get 15 the spot or two way over strus

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Sorry but we don’t need another undersized pg in our team. You can say what you want about his defense, but being 5’11 alone would make him a liability. There are a bunch of pg’s much better and bigger than waters that we can have for cheap. If we can’t give tacko the final roster spot, better give him a 2-way contract then.

He averaged 2.8 spg in college last year, and led the celtics in steals per game in the summer league at 2 per game.

I get that! If only we haven’t got two undersized pg’s in Kemba and Edwards, then i guess he’ll be fine, but we need size in that position. If we are not getting a bigger guard, then might as well use it on a big.

[Triple7]

Sorry but we don’t need another undersized pg in our team. You can say what you want about his defense, but being 5’11 alone would make him a liability. There are a bunch of pg’s much better and bigger than waters that we can have for cheap. If we can’t give tacko the final roster spot, better give him a 2-way contract then.

He averaged 2.8 spg in college last year, and led the celtics in steals per game in the summer league at 2 per game.

Waters did pretty well. -- He's only going to be up against 2nd or 3rd Stringers, anyway.
He doesn't need to be that tall. He also makes up for it, with his prowess.

Bro, we already have a two undersized pg’s, both are 6’1 and would be a problem on defense. Besides, he won’t get any playing time here. He will probably be the 4th string pg after smart and edwards. Maybe some teams will pick him up.

[Darth Celtic]

He averaged 2.8 spg in college last year, and led the celtics in steals per game in the summer league at 2 per game.

Waters did pretty well. -- He's only going to be up against 2nd or 3rd Stringers, anyway.
He doesn't need to be that tall. He also makes up for it, with his prowess.

Bro, we already have a two undersized pg’s, both are 6’1 and would be a problem on defense. Besides, he won’t get any playing time here. He will probably be the 4th string pg after smart and edwards. Maybe some teams will pick him up.

He signed a 2 way contract with us. No other team will pick him up.

[Tiny ball]

Danny Ainge has done it again; he has found a player that can help the Celtics and has a high IQ for the game. He brings no drama or other issues. He reminds me of a young Roy Hibbert. Danny Ainge needs to have someone like Bill Russell to teach him fundamentals that are required to perform at the professional level. He needs a drill instructor to bring him up to the professional quickly. Please comment thank you.

https://youtu.be/uXcJI41mgj0 Think this guy is onto the Celtics.

Man, I just listened to this. The guy is very bright and just broke down the Celtics management team and he makes a lot of sense and brings things to light.

He goes hard at Danny and Brad and to some degree, Wyc. He really explains Danny and Brad’s mentality about drafted undersized players.

He does go a little overboard questioning Brad’s manhood.

It basically turns into a rant about not playing Tacko much in yesterday’s game. He might be overreacting but if Tacko doesn’t make this team, then I pretty much agree with most of what he says.

I know it’s SL, but it seemed like the Celtics had no interest in winning yesterday’s game. It was poor coaching and that Celtic SL coach was out coached in a big way.

That Struss signing before SL began was a joke. Resigning Wannamaker was very questionable. However cutting Yabs was the right thing to do.

I just don’t get how the Celtics were playing that ex Louisville player so much and sitting Tacko. Just didn’t seem right but it was one game. However I don’t think Tacko player more than 15 minutes in any of the SL games and he is very capable of playing 25 plus minutes in a game.

He makes good points but goes a little over board, especially talking about Brad kissing Kyrie’s ass. They all had to kiss Kyrie’s ass because he was on the last year of his contract and wanted to please him any way they could.

But overall, great insight on Danny and Brad’s philosophy. Basically all these guys are all yes man people to Danny. He nails it with the lack of world philosophy and how they are based on guards and small players like the Hoosiers movie. That part was funny but true.

I will give Danny and Brad the benefit of the doubt because they were the only team that brought in Tacko. But if they don’t give him a contract, everything this guy says is basically all true.

Just found the guy couple weeks ago. He is a good listen compared to main stream guys. I agree with lot of what he says but he was huge Rozier fan. I was not fan of Rozier at all after last year.

[thomas1897]

Taco Fall has impressed people within the organization. Will anyone of the veterans step forward alas Kendrick Perkins help develop an inside game post game for him. Right now he is still in the development era but with some hard work he could develop into an inside force. Danny Ainge if you read these forums this little piece of advice could help assist you in the Celtic Resurrection. Thanks

[Bleeding Green]

Danny Ainge has done it again; he has found a player that can help the Celtics and has a high IQ for the game. He brings no drama or other issues. He reminds me of a young Roy Hibbert. Danny Ainge needs to have someone like Bill Russell to teach him fundamentals that are required to perform at the professional level. He needs a drill instructor to bring him up to the professional quickly. Please comment thank you.

https://youtu.be/uXcJI41mgj0 Think this guy is onto the Celtics.

Is this guy in the video really doing a deep dive into a summer league game? There are countless outside influences that you cannot account for. The first is that no one is trying to win these games from an overall organizational standpoint. Maybe Tacko is mildly injured. Maybe they got enough tape on him and know where they stand on signing/waiving him. Maybe they just want to get extra reps for some other guys. You can come up with a thousand reasons why any specific player didn't play much. But I dunno, I only skimmed his video because he's very tedious to listen to.

Some direct quotes from this guy, "I scored in the 99th percentile in the reading comprehension section of SAT," "Danny Ainge has this world view that he is better than Larry Bird," "Do we ever hear about Danny Ainge going to Africa?"

This guy makes Kyrie sound like a genius.

[Disinformation]

Taco Fall has impressed people within the organization. Will anyone of the veterans step forward alas Kendrick Perkins help develop an inside game post game for him. Right now he is still in the development era but with some hard work he could develop into an inside force. Danny Ainge if you read these forums this little piece of advice could help assist you in the Celtic Resurrection. Thanks

Who was the big man coach we had during Perkins's early years? That guy had a big role in developing Kendrick. We should get him back for Tacko.

[eris]

he needs 3-4 years to get there. We need to find a creative way to get him a 4 year deal. Stretching yabs will do.

I'm not sure the C's can do that.

First, can you have more than one stretched contract at a time? I thought you couldn't, and the C's already have D. Jackson stretched out to...I think 2025. If that's the case, the C's don't have a way of freeing up cap space for Fall without making a trade that dumps money. Trading Yabs for no money or player back might do it, but I don't know if doing that would help with cap space for Tacko or not. I think it's going to be very, very, hard to give Tacko (or anyone else) more than a vet min contract without a big trade freeing up a good bit of money, and I don't see that happening. Danny may have a different view of things, though.

Second, Tacko is on a 1 year non-guaranteed contract with the Exhibit 10 rider added. That gives the C's the rights to do nothing and Tacko is on the 15 man roster for 1 year, convert his contract to a 2-way for 1 year, or waive him. If he's waived and clears waivers he can be signed to up to a 2 year contract at minimum money, but not longer...I don't think. If he clears waivers he can also go to the G-league for a $50,000 bonus or sign with someone else. Right now, the smart thing for the C's to do is to bid their time to see if a trade opens up space/money and how Fall does in Training Camp/Pre-Season before committing on how to precede with Tacko.

Personally, I hope the C's keep Tacko, one way or another, and work at developing him for a couple of years. I think he might be a capable player, at least in some matchups, at most as a starter. If he doesn't develop in a year or two, he probably won't, but he's only 23/24 right now, been playing for only a few years, and big men tend to develop more slowly than smaller players. I saw him in games last year, this year and summer league and think he's gone from lost and stiff on the court, to neither lost nor stiff. He is a lot more mobile, a lot stronger, and with much better stamina. He even has some embryonic "moves" under the basket now.

[sully00]

I know it’s SL, but it seemed like the Celtics had no interest in winning yesterday’s game. It was poor coaching and that Celtic SL coach was out coached in a big way.

That Struss signing before SL began was a joke. Resigning Wannamaker was very questionable. However cutting Yabs was the right thing to do.

By losing that game everyone gets to go home on Sun.

Max Strus is no longer listed on Spotrac as has having a two deal he probably has the same Exhibit 10 that Fall has. There is little to no commitment involved by team's to these deals.

How is Wanamaker very questionable he was the best 3 pt shooter on the team last year and is actually a capable PG, I don't even really like the player but he can have a roster spot for the minimum for sure.

Honestly the Yabs thing makes almost no sense to me at all from a timing standpoint. Unless there are basketball reasons for the move why rush into it? Not that I want him back or anything but you could possibly swap him for someone elses unwanted player during the preseason.

[eris]

Danny Ainge has done it again; he has found a player that can help the Celtics and has a high IQ for the game. He brings no drama or other issues. He reminds me of a young Roy Hibbert. Danny Ainge needs to have someone like Bill Russell to teach him fundamentals that are required to perform at the professional level. He needs a drill instructor to bring him up to the professional quickly. Please comment thank you.

I agree with needing a big man coach to work with Tacko and Williams, too, for that matter. I don't know who, but someone who is a good coach and that most likely isn't KG, or even Russell.

[eris]

Taco Fall has impressed people within the organization. Will anyone of the veterans step forward alas Kendrick Perkins help develop an inside game post game for him. Right now he is still in the development era but with some hard work he could develop into an inside force. Danny Ainge if you read these forums this little piece of advice could help assist you in the Celtic Resurrection. Thanks

Who was the big man coach we had during Perkins's early years? That guy had a big role in developing Kendrick. We should get him back for Tacko.

Clifford Ray, and yes, he'd be a good coach to add to the team. Or just hire him as a consultant to work with the C's big men.

[Disinformation]

Taco Fall has impressed people within the organization. Will anyone of the veterans step forward alas Kendrick Perkins help develop an inside game post game for him. Right now he is still in the development era but with some hard work he could develop into an inside force. Danny Ainge if you read these forums this little piece of advice could help assist you in the Celtic Resurrection. Thanks

Who was the big man coach we had during Perkins's early years? That guy had a big role in developing Kendrick. We should get him back for Tacko.

Clifford Ray, and yes, he'd be a good coach to add to the team. Or just hire him as a consultant to work with the C's big men.

That's the guy! I can't tell where he's working right now. Wikipedia says he was hired by the Rockets as a consultant in 2016 but I'm not sure if he's still working with them.

[Darth Celtic]

he needs 3-4 years to get there. We need to find a creative way to get him a 4 year deal. Stretching yabs will do.

I'm not sure the C's can do that.

First, can you have more than one stretched contract at a time? I thought you couldn't, and the C's already have D. Jackson stretched out to...I think 2025. If that's the case, the C's don't have a way of freeing up cap space for Fall without making a trade that dumps money. Trading Yabs for no money or player back might do it, but I don't know if doing that would help with cap space for Tacko or not. I think it's going to be very, very, hard to give Tacko (or anyone else) more than a vet min contract without a big trade freeing up a good bit of money, and I don't see that happening. Danny may have a different view of things, though.

Second, Tacko is on a 1 year non-guaranteed contract with the Exhibit 10 rider added. That gives the C's the rights to do nothing and Tacko is on the 15 man roster for 1 year, convert his contract to a 2-way for 1 year, or waive him. If he's waived and clears waivers he can be signed to up to a 2 year contract at minimum money, but not longer...I don't think. If he clears waivers he can also go to the G-league for a $50,000 bonus or sign with someone else. Right now, the smart thing for the C's to do is to bid their time to see if a trade opens up space/money and how Fall does in Training Camp/Pre-Season before committing on how to precede with Tacko.

Personally, I hope the C's keep Tacko, one way or another, and work at developing him for a couple of years. I think he might be a capable player, at least in some matchups, at most as a starter. If he doesn't develop in a year or two, he probably won't, but he's only 23/24 right now, been playing for only a few years, and big men tend to develop more slowly than smaller players. I saw him in games last year, this year and summer league and think he's gone from lost and stiff on the court, to neither lost nor stiff. He is a lot more mobile, a lot stronger, and with much better stamina. He even has some embryonic "moves" under the basket now.

you 100% can stretch more than 1 person at a time. I think the total stretched salaries can't exceed a % of the overall cap, but it's rather large. Like 20% or something. - edit, it's 15%. So you can stretch 10 players as long as the total paid amount per any year doesn't exceed 15% of the salary cap which is about 16m. Jackson is like 50k, and yabs is like 1m, so we got 14.5m of stretch to go.

[Parliament10]

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[OldCeltics]

Ainge!!!! Wake the f up. Stop signing undersized guards, and please sign Tacko Ball to Max Contract for maximum years.

[Parliament10]

Ainge!!!! Wake the f up. Stop signing undersized guards, and please sign Tacko Ball to Max Contract for maximum years.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

To be fair water needs to be two way or on roster. His defense is amazing. Like a 5 11 smart. He is no IT. His offense seemed really good to. I can see him being our third pg sooner than later. TACKO should get 15 the spot or two way over strus

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Sorry but we don’t need another undersized pg in our team. You can say what you want about his defense, but being 5’11 alone would make him a liability. There are a bunch of pg’s much better and bigger than waters that we can have for cheap. If we can’t give tacko the final roster spot, better give him a 2-way contract then.

He averaged 2.8 spg in college last year, and led the celtics in steals per game in the summer league at 2 per game.

It doesn't matter how good he is, for some people. All that matters is that he's short. Sometimes it's pretty obvious who follows college ball and who doesn't.

I'll take one 5'11" Tre Waters over twenty 6'4" Orien Greenes.

And by the way, I want to sign Tacko. Not mutually exclusive. No need for Strus.

[Parliament10]

Sorry but we don’t need another undersized pg in our team. You can say what you want about his defense, but being 5’11 alone would make him a liability. There are a bunch of pg’s much better and bigger than waters that we can have for cheap. If we can’t give tacko the final roster spot, better give him a 2-way contract then.

He averaged 2.8 spg in college last year, and led the celtics in steals per game in the summer league at 2 per game.

It doesn't matter how good he is, for some people. All that matters is that he's short. Sometimes it's pretty obvious who follows college ball and who doesn't.

I'll take one 5'11" Tre Waters over twenty 6'4" Orien Greenes.

And by the way, I want to sign Tacko. Not mutually exclusive. No need for Strus.

Orien Greene? -- Is he still playing somewhere?

I'd take both Tacko and Waters. Especially after seeing them in action.
Strus, did OK. But, not enough to really impress to NBA Roster status.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

He averaged 2.8 spg in college last year, and led the celtics in steals per game in the summer league at 2 per game.

It doesn't matter how good he is, for some people. All that matters is that he's short. Sometimes it's pretty obvious who follows college ball and who doesn't.

I'll take one 5'11" Tre Waters over twenty 6'4" Orien Greenes.

And by the way, I want to sign Tacko. Not mutually exclusive. No need for Strus.

Orien Greene? -- Is he still playing somewhere?

I'd take both Tacko and Waters. Especially after seeing them in action.
Strus, did OK. But, not enough to really impress to NBA Roster status.

Florida Penitentiary League?

https://www.tmz.com/2017/01/10/orien-greene-arrested/

[cloverleaf]

It doesn't matter how good he is, for some people. All that matters is that he's short. Sometimes it's pretty obvious who follows college ball and who doesn't.

I'll take one 5'11" Tre Waters over twenty 6'4" Orien Greenes.

And by the way, I want to sign Tacko. Not mutually exclusive. No need for Strus.

Orien Greene? -- Is he still playing somewhere?

I'd take both Tacko and Waters. Especially after seeing them in action.
Strus, did OK. But, not enough to really impress to NBA Roster status.

Florida Penitentiary League?

https://www.tmz.com/2017/01/10/orien-greene-arrested/

Weird. Not a single media report since--whether charges dropped or some sort of court or plea action.