Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Gomes3PC]

Love to get Myles Turner here.

The Pacers just aren't going to move him unless they think they can get better immediately in the process. That organization hates to bottom out - as a small market team, they can't afford lengthy rebuilds. They are 8-6 with a good net rating despite missing Oladipo to start the year - if he can come back next month and rounds into form by spring, they are going to be a pain in the ass come playoff time. All those minutes going to the likes of Aaron Holiday and TJ McConnell being handed off to Dipo is going to be a huge upgrade for them.

Long-winded way of saying, barring our own willingness to trade either Tatum or Brown, Turner isn't going to get traded.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Love to get Myles Turner here.

The Pacers just aren't going to move him unless they think they can get better immediately in the process. That organization hates to bottom out - as a small market team, they can't afford lengthy rebuilds. They are 8-6 with a good net rating despite missing Oladipo to start the year - if he can come back next month and rounds into form by spring, they are going to be a pain in the ass come playoff time. All those minutes going to the likes of Aaron Holiday and TJ McConnell being handed off to Dipo is going to be a huge upgrade for them.

Long-winded way of saying, barring our own willingness to trade either Tatum or Brown, Turner isn't going to get traded.

Turner doesnt have a very good BB IQ, I'd be worried

[SmartWentCrazy]

Love to get Myles Turner here.

And Indy would love to get Tatum or Hayward in return. That’s just not the deal you're looking for.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Thinking out loud:

Hayward and Kanter to Houston
Eric Gordon to Orlando
Capela and Aaron Gordon to Boston

Morey gets another star, Orlando gets a big scorer, we get younger, even more athletic, upgrade the 5.

[chrisab123]

Anyone think Ryan Anderson has anything left? Might be good veteran depth

What can he do on defense?

I don't remember him ever playing defense but I do remember him having the ability to shoot the rock from the outside.

[chrisab123]

Thinking out loud:

Hayward and Kanter to Houston
Eric Gordon to Orlando
Capela and Aaron Gordon to Boston

Morey gets another star, Orlando gets a big scorer, we get younger, even more athletic, upgrade the 5.

But why would you make that trade? Hayward is the best player in the deal. He's been rolling when healthy.

[Gomes3PC]

Love to get Myles Turner here.

The Pacers just aren't going to move him unless they think they can get better immediately in the process. That organization hates to bottom out - as a small market team, they can't afford lengthy rebuilds. They are 8-6 with a good net rating despite missing Oladipo to start the year - if he can come back next month and rounds into form by spring, they are going to be a pain in the ass come playoff time. All those minutes going to the likes of Aaron Holiday and TJ McConnell being handed off to Dipo is going to be a huge upgrade for them.

Long-winded way of saying, barring our own willingness to trade either Tatum or Brown, Turner isn't going to get traded.

Turner doesnt have a very good BB IQ, I'd be worried

Huh? He's one of the best defensive big men in the game, and a savvy passer. What part of his game suggests low IQ?

[yeahM8]

just thought of this.. probably shouldnt be saying this out loud but seems as tho there is a lot of minutes going to our bench.. are we showcasing our team or are we just 'load managing' our best players

[GoCeltics123]

just thought of this.. probably shouldnt be saying this out loud but seems as tho there is a lot of minutes going to our bench.. are we showcasing our team or are we just 'load managing' our best players

Both probably

[Joshyjess]

just thought of this.. probably shouldnt be saying this out loud but seems as tho there is a lot of minutes going to our bench.. are we showcasing our team or are we just 'load managing' our best players

I think some of our bench players might be worth more NOT being showcased.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Thinking out loud:

Hayward and Kanter to Houston
Eric Gordon to Orlando
Capela and Aaron Gordon to Boston

Morey gets another star, Orlando gets a big scorer, we get younger, even more athletic, upgrade the 5.

But why would you make that trade? Hayward is the best player in the deal. He's been rolling when healthy.

I think the question is why Orlando would do it.. we take a step back offensively, but Aaron Gordon is decent and versatile, defensively skilled, and 24, Capela is 25 and approaching DPOY levels, and both are on good deals - combined, they make the same money Hayward does. We’d be elite defensively, strong on the boards, and ready to go as far as Brown and Tatum are able.

The real question is why Orlando would do it - they need scoring, but not at that price.

[Fencer reregistered]

just thought of this.. probably shouldnt be saying this out loud but seems as tho there is a lot of minutes going to our bench.. are we showcasing our team or are we just 'load managing' our best players

Both probably

Actually, I've been struck by how many minutes the STARTERS have been playing. I think there were a couple of games straight where Tatum, Brown, and Smart played 35+ minutes each, with Kemba in the 32-35 range himself. Theis did have a couple of games where he finished with 22 mins and 5 fouls, and those even aside it's been center-by-committee. But the Phoenix blowout aside, I don't quite know what evidence you're relying on.

[Homerclease]

just thought of this.. probably shouldnt be saying this out loud but seems as tho there is a lot of minutes going to our bench.. are we showcasing our team or are we just 'load managing' our best players

Both probably

Actually, I've been struck by how many minutes the STARTERS have been playing. I think there were a couple of games straight where Tatum, Brown, and Smart played 35+ minutes each, with Kemba in the 32-35 range himself. Theis did have a couple of games where he finished with 22 mins and 5 fouls, and those even aside it's been center-by-committee. But the Phoenix blowout aside, I don't quite know what evidence you're relying on.

Yeah I agree with this. With Hayward being out I feel Brad has relied more heavily on the starters up till now. Probably why were still winning games albeit in not the most impressive fashion.

[MagicBagley18]

Any deal that includes Hayward brown or Tatum just isn’t happening this year. It’s just fantasy land. Brown can’t be traded bc of his extension, There’s no one available worth trading Tatum for and Hayward’s not getting traded because of his relationship with Stevens, his injury history and quite honestly his play. He a huge part of our offense and the team hitting its ceiling this year.

your looking at role playing bigs with a year or 2 left on their contract who we trade for. The blockbuster moves won’t happen this year just by virtue of our salary breakdown that’s on the books.

[yeahM8]

just thought of this.. probably shouldnt be saying this out loud but seems as tho there is a lot of minutes going to our bench.. are we showcasing our team or are we just 'load managing' our best players

Both probably

Actually, I've been struck by how many minutes the STARTERS have been playing. I think there were a couple of games straight where Tatum, Brown, and Smart played 35+ minutes each, with Kemba in the 32-35 range himself. Theis did have a couple of games where he finished with 22 mins and 5 fouls, and those even aside it's been center-by-committee. But the Phoenix blowout aside, I don't quite know what evidence you're relying on.

Maybe I should check the actual numbers but feels like we are rolling with the second unit quite heavily before bringing in our starters back in. Maybe it just feels longer because our offense hasn’t been quite up to par

[100proof]

Something I have been pondering on a bit for at least the base of a balancing move.
To be done post December 15th when restrictions are removed.

To Sacramento
Vincent Poirier, Semi and a first rounder (Protected Celtics) for Bjelica and Giles
Sacramento are not winning, this adds them a pick, and more cost controlled players at a cheaper price.

To Phoenix
Enes Kanter, Bjelica and Bucks 1st
Phoenix saves on having to pay Baynes in the offseason by getting Kanter who is locked up for a year longer. Bjelica is a floor spacing, defensive PF that the team needs to spread the floor for Ayton up front but still cover for weak perimeter defense.

To Boston
Baynes, Bridges, Giles 3
Boston adds a center than can man the middle with Theis on a nightly basis until Williams is ready. This allows team to maintain the 3 wing lineup as Baynes is defensively sound enough to cover any weaknesses. Bridges is falling out of rotation in Phoenix but will make a good scoring SF off the bench here as we are lacking that. Giles is out of the rotation in Sacramento and could be a cheap flyer for Boston as deep bench depth.

Kemba/Wannamaker/Edwards
Brown/Smart/Langford
Tatum/Bridges/Green
Hayward/GWilliams/Giles
Baynes/Theis/RWilliams

IMO that is bordering on Championship level core and some of the best depth in the league.

[steefP2]

Thinking out loud:

Hayward and Kanter to Houston
Eric Gordon to Orlando
Capela and Aaron Gordon to Boston

Morey gets another star, Orlando gets a big scorer, we get younger, even more athletic, upgrade the 5.

But why would you make that trade? Hayward is the best player in the deal. He's been rolling when healthy.

I think the question is why Orlando would do it.. we take a step back offensively, but Aaron Gordon is decent and versatile, defensively skilled, and 24, Capela is 25 and approaching DPOY levels, and both are on good deals - combined, they make the same money Hayward does. We’d be elite defensively, strong on the boards, and ready to go as far as Brown and Tatum are able.

The real question is why Orlando would do it - they need scoring, but not at that price.

Not gonna comment on the whole post but you’re severely overrating Capela imo. He doesn’t have the b-ball iq to be a dpoy level player and he’s kinda mediocre as a switching big.

[steefP2]

Something I have been pondering on a bit for at least the base of a balancing move.
To be done post December 15th when restrictions are removed.

To Sacramento
Vincent Poirier, Semi and a first rounder (Protected Celtics) for Bjelica and Giles
Sacramento are not winning, this adds them a pick, and more cost controlled players at a cheaper price.

To Phoenix
Enes Kanter, Bjelica and Bucks 1st
Phoenix saves on having to pay Baynes in the offseason by getting Kanter who is locked up for a year longer. Bjelica is a floor spacing, defensive PF that the team needs to spread the floor for Ayton up front but still cover for weak perimeter defense.

To Boston
Baynes, Bridges, Giles 3
Boston adds a center than can man the middle with Theis on a nightly basis until Williams is ready. This allows team to maintain the 3 wing lineup as Baynes is defensively sound enough to cover any weaknesses. Bridges is falling out of rotation in Phoenix but will make a good scoring SF off the bench here as we are lacking that. Giles is out of the rotation in Sacramento and could be a cheap flyer for Boston as deep bench depth.

Kemba/Wannamaker/Edwards
Brown/Smart/Langford
Tatum/Bridges/Green
Hayward/GWilliams/Giles
Baynes/Theis/RWilliams

IMO that is bordering on Championship level core and some of the best depth in the league.

Giles is done and Suns are not trading Baynes now that they’re winning for the first time in forever. Especially cause he can be a mentor for Ayton. Bridges i don’t know but they should value him but not sure if they do

[Celts17Pride]

just thought of this.. probably shouldnt be saying this out loud but seems as tho there is a lot of minutes going to our bench.. are we showcasing our team or are we just 'load managing' our best players

Giving everyone a chance and trying to figure out who fits and who doesn't

[100proof]

Something I have been pondering on a bit for at least the base of a balancing move.
To be done post December 15th when restrictions are removed.

To Sacramento
Vincent Poirier, Semi and a first rounder (Protected Celtics) for Bjelica and Giles
Sacramento are not winning, this adds them a pick, and more cost controlled players at a cheaper price.

To Phoenix
Enes Kanter, Bjelica and Bucks 1st
Phoenix saves on having to pay Baynes in the offseason by getting Kanter who is locked up for a year longer. Bjelica is a floor spacing, defensive PF that the team needs to spread the floor for Ayton up front but still cover for weak perimeter defense.

To Boston
Baynes, Bridges, Giles 3
Boston adds a center than can man the middle with Theis on a nightly basis until Williams is ready. This allows team to maintain the 3 wing lineup as Baynes is defensively sound enough to cover any weaknesses. Bridges is falling out of rotation in Phoenix but will make a good scoring SF off the bench here as we are lacking that. Giles is out of the rotation in Sacramento and could be a cheap flyer for Boston as deep bench depth.

Kemba/Wannamaker/Edwards
Brown/Smart/Langford
Tatum/Bridges/Green
Hayward/GWilliams/Giles
Baynes/Theis/RWilliams

IMO that is bordering on Championship level core and some of the best depth in the league.

Giles is done and Suns are not trading Baynes now that they’re winning for the first time in forever. Especially cause he can be a mentor for Ayton. Bridges i don’t know but they should value him but not sure if they do

They are winning for the first time, but I think all agree that Ayton is far superior to Baynes. And their big weakness/question mark is a floor spacing power forward. I think they can capitalize and make that happen as Bjelica is a very good fit to mentor and play beside Ayton. (baynes can only do 1 of those) Bridges isnt getting minutes, not sure what is going on there but his value should be the piuck they are getting. Kanter gives them a scoring punch off the bench up front.

I am not sure its too far off. But that is open to interpretation.