Welcome Derrick White

[Hal14]

lol he's shooting 43.5% from 3 in the nba finals.

Not bad at all for a guy who's never even played in a series beyond the 1st round prior to this season, is still adjusting to being on a new team and is coming on cold off the bench, not getting a ton of mins and sometimes only getting like 4 or 5 mins at a time before getting yanked out which means he's not out there long enough to get in rhythm.

oh yeah, and you might want calm down with all those angry capital letters, lol. You might not realize this, but sometime the wide open shots are actually harder to make than the contested ones.

Anymore excuses you want to reach for?

Dude has sucked. Period. Watch the games. He shot 55% in game 1 and then 30%, 33%, 33% and wait for it.. 0.00% in game 5.

+25 in game 1. Minus 17,12, 19 and 13 the last four games.

Horrendous. He isn't playing minutes because he's not doing a **** thing out there.

I like D. White.. He's a baller. Game 1 is more true to who he is than games 2 to 5. But he needs to put the big boy pants on just like Horford. Time to be nasty, time to contribute, make plays. He's played nearly 50 games here now. Ime is dying to get somebody to play 40 off the bench and the guy can't step up and out play Gary **** Payton for 5 minutes..

PS: 11/9 assist to TO. Awful.

You still wanna do this?

1-6, 16%, 0% from 3, 2 asts, 1 TO and a - 26.. I REPEAT IN ANGRY CAPITAL LETTERS.. MINUS TWENTY SIX. In a home, elimination game 6.

T-R-A-S-H.

Easy, easy option to trade for a bench upgrade.

lol go to bed

[BRUNiNHO91]

Anymore excuses you want to reach for?

Dude has sucked. Period. Watch the games. He shot 55% in game 1 and then 30%, 33%, 33% and wait for it.. 0.00% in game 5.

+25 in game 1. Minus 17,12, 19 and 13 the last four games.

Horrendous. He isn't playing minutes because he's not doing a **** thing out there.

I like D. White.. He's a baller. Game 1 is more true to who he is than games 2 to 5. But he needs to put the big boy pants on just like Horford. Time to be nasty, time to contribute, make plays. He's played nearly 50 games here now. Ime is dying to get somebody to play 40 off the bench and the guy can't step up and out play Gary **** Payton for 5 minutes..

PS: 11/9 assist to TO. Awful.

You still wanna do this?

1-6, 16%, 0% from 3, 2 asts, 1 TO and a - 26.. I REPEAT IN ANGRY CAPITAL LETTERS.. MINUS TWENTY SIX. In a home, elimination game 6.

T-R-A-S-H.

Easy, easy option to trade for a bench upgrade.

lol go to bed

Typical comeback from somebody who just got handed his ass on a a plate and can't say **** about it lol

[Hal14]

You still wanna do this?

1-6, 16%, 0% from 3, 2 asts, 1 TO and a - 26.. I REPEAT IN ANGRY CAPITAL LETTERS.. MINUS TWENTY SIX. In a home, elimination game 6.

T-R-A-S-H.

Easy, easy option to trade for a bench upgrade.

lol go to bed

Typical comeback from somebody who just got handed his ass on a a plate and can't say **** about it lol

1) we don't make the nba finals without derrick white
2) stop with the shooting numbers. we didn't get him for his shooting. clearly you're a casual fan who doesn't understand the nuances of the game so the only part of the game you understand is shooting.
3) +/- is pretty meaningless on a 1 game sample size. it's even more meaningless if a guy only played 16 minutes. if you're going to be dumb and use +/- on a 1 game sample, at least have it be a player who played 30+ minutes so the sample size of data is at least somewhat significant. good lord
4) also keep in mind, smart has been here 8 years. 6 years for brown, 5 for tatum, 4 for rob, 3 for grant, 2 for pritchard. 4 years in boston now for al. only a half season for white. all the other guys on the celtics have years and years and years of experience playing together. white just got here and still hasn't gone through a training camp with this team - also literally just had the birth of his first child happen so his mind is probably on that sometimes. Jeez, give the guy a break.

go to bed dude. white isn't the reason we lost this game. we got beat by a better team who had already won a ton of championships already and already played in like a million finals games. no need to get angry. we had a hell of a season to make it this far.

[BRUNiNHO91]

lol go to bed

Typical comeback from somebody who just got handed his ass on a a plate and can't say **** about it lol

1) we don't make the nba finals without derrick white
2) stop with the shooting numbers. we didn't get him for his shooting. clearly you're a casual fan who doesn't understand the nuances of the game so the only part of the game you understand is shooting.
3) +/- is pretty meaningless on a 1 game sample size. it's even more meaningless if a guy only played 16 minutes. if you're going to be dumb and use +/- on a 1 game sample, at least have it be a player who played 30+ minutes so the sample size of data is at least somewhat significant. good lord
4) also keep in mind, smart has been here 8 years. 6 years for brown, 5 for tatum, 4 for rob, 3 for grant, 2 for pritchard. 4 years in boston now for al. only a half season for white. all the other guys on the celtics have years and years and years of experience playing together. white just got here and still hasn't gone through a training camp with this team - also literally just had the birth of his first child happen so his mind is probably on that sometimes. Jeez, give the guy a break.

go to bed dude. white isn't the reason we lost this game. we got beat by a better team who had already won a ton of championships already and already played in like a million finals games. no need to get angry. we had a hell of a season to make it this far.

More silly excuses. Lol a casual to me is the guy who makes excuses for a guy because he just had a baby. That is some weak ****.

We dont make the finals without Grant either.. Maybe even Pritchard. Doesnt mean both guys were not absolutely awful.

+/- might not be the greatest, but when you literally are a HUGE negative 5 games in a row, that's not a coincidence. That's horrendous. The fact he couldn't crack 30 minutes speaks VOLUMES to how **** he was and the fact he was - 26 without even playing 20 minutes just doubles down on how pathetic he played.

But ok. Ill play... What did we get him for? Defense? He wasn't that great there. Assists and ball handling? 12/10 assist to turnover ratio in the finals. So what did we get him for?

The guy did NOTHING. Literally nothing outside game 1.

Im not mad we lost. Not mad at all. But this guy to me along with Grant and ofc Tatum were the biggest reasons we lost the way we did..and the numbers don't lie.

[DaBeegDeek]

Derrick White is a fringe player who took over some games these playoffs. Far as I'm concerned he did better than I expected. I didn't expect him to play well tonight.. I did, however, expect Tatum to play well. This loss isn't on our role players.

[BostonCouchGM]

welp. Disastrous trade. He was integral in our losses. He had his moments but you make that trade to complete the puzzle and put you over the edge and it didn't happen. Yikes. A 1st, a young talented player, a similarly talented Richardson and a 2028 swap. This could hurt for years

[Higgs Boston]

The trade was terrible but it could have had more sense in a competitive and value perspective if they traded theis instead of richardson and then traded or signed a backup C.
They tried to be more competitive making a trade, wasted assets
and ended with a short and flawed roster.

[CelticFaninLBC]

White had a terrible game 6 but is a solid player with trade value. He's essentially a Smart-lite. Ideally he can be moved for a scorer.

[FlatearthZorro]

White had a terrible game 6 but is a solid player with trade value. He's essentially a Smart-lite. Ideally he can be moved for a scorer.

I think we overpaid, but he's not a bad player, very shaky when it comes to scoring, I think he could do better, no idea if he would. He does decent stuff off the dribble and moving the ball quickly.

[big-shot-ROB]

I'd keep White and give him one proper offseason with the team.

The thing no one talks about is White is clearly a rythm-motion offense player. He's excellent when the ball is moving. It's just our offense is so ISO centered, no movement at all, no sets, half assed screens he ends up taking contested 3pt shots or having to drive to the rim with a rested defender that has barely moved during the posession that he sucks. That's on Ime.

[BK_2020]

Without Derrick White the team might not be in the finals. We desperately needed a bench ball handler and Schroder or Richardson wasn't going to be it. As bad as our bench has been, they would've been completely unplayable without White.
What kills us though is when Derrick White is on the floor with multiple other weak shooters.

[darrendaye]

White had a terrible game 6 but is a solid player with trade value. He's essentially a Smart-lite. Ideally he can be moved for a scorer.

After initially disliking the trade, this perspective gave me reason to better understand it.

I'd keep White and give him one proper offseason with the team.

The thing no one talks about is White is clearly a rhythm-motion offense player. He's excellent when the ball is moving. It's just our offense is so ISO centered, no movement at all, no sets, half assed screens he ends up taking contested 3pt shots or having to drive to the rim with a rested defender that has barely moved during the possession that he sucks. That's on Ime.

This is most definitely true.

[Hal14]

The trade was terrible but it could have had more sense in a competitive and value perspective if they traded theis instead of richardson and then traded or signed a backup C.
They tried to be more competitive making a trade, wasted assets
and ended with a short and flawed roster.

Yes, such a flawed roster that we made it to the NBA finals in a year where the east was more competitive and deeper with good teams than any year in recent memory.

Oh, the horror.

We don't make the finals without Derrick white.

[celtxman]

The trade was terrible but it could have had more sense in a competitive and value perspective if they traded theis instead of richardson and then traded or signed a backup C.
They tried to be more competitive making a trade, wasted assets
and ended with a short and flawed roster.

Yes, such a flawed roster that we made it to the NBA finals in a year where. the east was more competitve and deeper with good teams than any year in recent memory.

Oh, the horror.

We don't make the finals without Derrick white.

I'm not the least bit convinced that they make the Finals with White over Richardson. They were turning things around before White got there. He played 16 minutes in the last game because after Game 1 he was terrible and provided nothing. Earlier in this thread I tried to talk myself into " OK...he had the baby..now things are getting better." We all wanted that. But we can't keep lying to ourselves. If he was a G League pickup and we got him , then things caught up to him, then it's understandable. We're paying him $54 million for three more seasons, lost a draft pick, and gave up Richardson on a much better contract, who was popular and a great fit.
I keep seeing people saying to give White a training camp to REALLY fit in. This isn't rocket science. He had plenty of time to acclimate. So he's going to learn how to hit an open jump shot when it counts?
If he's on the Celtics next year, I have no choice but to root for him. There is no joy in writing facts about the disappointment he has been. If he gets better - great. But it doesn't erase that he came up small on the biggest stage

[Hal14]

The trade was terrible but it could have had more sense in a competitive and value perspective if they traded theis instead of richardson and then traded or signed a backup C.
They tried to be more competitive making a trade, wasted assets
and ended with a short and flawed roster.

Yes, such a flawed roster that we made it to the NBA finals in a year where. the east was more competitve and deeper with good teams than any year in recent memory.

Oh, the horror.

We don't make the finals without Derrick white.

I'm not the least bit convinced that they make the Finals with White over Richardson. They were turning things around before White got there. He played 16 minutes in the last game because after Game 1 he was terrible and provided nothing. Earlier in this thread I tried to talk myself into " OK...he had the baby..now things are getting better." We all wanted that. But we can't keep lying to ourselves. If he was a G League pickup and we got him , then things caught up to him, then it's understandable. We're paying him $54 million for three more seasons, lost a draft pick, and gave up Richardson on a much better contract, who was popular and a great fit.
I keep seeing people saying to give White a training camp to REALLY fit in. This isn't rocket science. He had plenty of time to acclimate. So he's going to learn how to hit an open jump shot when it counts?
If he's on the Celtics next year, I have no choice but to root for him. There is no joy in writing facts about the disappointment he has been. If he gets better - great. But it doesn't erase that he came up small on the biggest stage

Sure we were on a hot streak right before white got here - by beating a bunch of teams that were either teams at the bottom of the standings or they were teams that had none of their good players out there.

After we got white, we were now beating GOOD teams...and beating them easily. Like the game against the Sixers where we won by 48. And the games vs the Nets where we swept them, and then beat the Bucks and then beat the Heat.

We went from bottom of the league in assists to top of the league in assists after getting white because he's such a good passer, so unselfish, keep the ball moving, plays 0.5 basketball, pushes the pace whereas J-Rich is a ball stopper who holds onto it too long and doesn't make his teammates better. As soon as White got here all of a sudden Theis, Rob and the Jays were getting more easy baskets than they had gotten all season.

Also, remember - we the White trade was done in tandem with the Theis trade. Doing both of those moves at the same time was Brad's plan - people need to stop just looking at the white trade on its own. by doing both trades at the same time, we went from:

-J rich to white
-schroder to pritchard
-Freedom to Theis

-Rob missed 10+ games at the end of the season and was also injured during playoffs. Theis stepped up BIG, especially at end of reg season and in the nets and bucks series.Without Theis, we don't go as far as we did. Going from Freedom to Theis was a massive upgrade

-Going from J. rich and schroder to white and pritchard was an upgrade for the defense, and also resulted in better spacing thanks to Pritchard's shooting and also a HUGE upgrade in terms of ball movement and pace. j rich and schroder were ball stoppers. white and pritchard move the ball QUICK, are unselfish and also are both guys who don't force shots, they don't turn the ball over. Schroder killed so many possessions for us with forced shots, turnovers and over dribbling

-Also remember that Theis and White are both signed on long term deals and they have mid level salaries (between $9 mil - $18 mil salaries are great for salary matching purposes) which means they are more tradable contracts and it also emans we can get more for them in a trade than we could get for schroder (on a cheap expiring contract), freedom (on a cheap expiring contract) and j rich (only has 1 year left on his deal) so this was a long term move as much as it was a move that clearly put us in a better position to make the nba finals in 2022

[darrendaye]

Yes, such a flawed roster that we made it to the NBA finals in a year where. the east was more competitve and deeper with good teams than any year in recent memory.

Oh, the horror.

We don't make the finals without Derrick white.

I'm not the least bit convinced that they make the Finals with White over Richardson. They were turning things around before White got there. He played 16 minutes in the last game because after Game 1 he was terrible and provided nothing. Earlier in this thread I tried to talk myself into " OK...he had the baby..now things are getting better." We all wanted that. But we can't keep lying to ourselves. If he was a G League pickup and we got him , then things caught up to him, then it's understandable. We're paying him $54 million for three more seasons, lost a draft pick, and gave up Richardson on a much better contract, who was popular and a great fit.
I keep seeing people saying to give White a training camp to REALLY fit in. This isn't rocket science. He had plenty of time to acclimate. So he's going to learn how to hit an open jump shot when it counts?
If he's on the Celtics next year, I have no choice but to root for him. There is no joy in writing facts about the disappointment he has been. If he gets better - great. But it doesn't erase that he came up small on the biggest stage

Sure we were on a hot streak right before white got here - by beating a bunch of teams that were either teams at the bottom of the standings or they were teams that had none of their good players out there.

After we got white, we were now beating GOOD teams...and beating them easily. Like the game against the Sixers where we won by 48. And the games vs the Nets where we swept them, and then beat the Bucks and then beat the Heat.

We went from bottom of the league in assists to top of the league in assists after getting white because he's such a good passer, so unselfish, keep the ball moving, plays 0.5 basketball, pushes the pace whereas J-Rich is a ball stopper who holds onto it too long and doesn't make his teammates better. As soon as White got here all of a sudden Theis, Rob and the Jays were getting more easy baskets than they had gotten all season.

Also, remember - we the White trade was done in tandem with the Theis trade. Doing both of those moves at the same time was Brad's plan - people need to stop just looking at the white trade on its own. by doing both trades at the same time, we went from:

-J rich to white
-schroder to pritchard
-Freedom to Theis

-Rob missed 10+ games at the end of the season and was also injured during playoffs. Theis stepped up BIG, especially at end of reg season and in the nets and bucks series.Without Theis, we don't go as far as we did. Going from Freedom to Theis was a massive upgrade

-Going from J. rich and schroder to white and pritchard was an upgrade for the defense, and also resulted in better spacing thanks to Pritchard's shooting and also a HUGE upgrade in terms of ball movement and pace. j rich and schroder were ball stoppers. white and pritchard move the ball QUICK, are unselfish and also are both guys who don't force shots, they don't turn the ball over. Schroder killed so many possessions for us with forced shots, turnovers and over dribbling

-Also remember that Theis and White are both signed on long term deals and they have mid level salaries (between $9 mil - $18 mil salaries are great for salary matching purposes) which means they are more tradable contracts and it also emans we can get more for them in a trade than we could get for schroder (on a cheap expiring contract), freedom (on a cheap expiring contract) and j rich (only has 1 year left on his deal) so this was a long term move as much as it was a move that clearly put us in a better position to make the nba finals in 2022

Not going to disagree with this out of hand, but, I've seen this argument targeted as White > JRich and Pritchard > Schroder, which I understand would appear to be the case. However, my take is you are really looking at White v. Schroder and JRich v. Pritchard. Had they never signed Schroder, JRich would have had a larger ballhandling and playmaking role. And only then could you make a fairer assessment of the upgrade because they would play similar roles. JRich might have been allowed to defend more PGs rather than SFs and we would have an idea of how JRich's decision making with the ball in this system compared.

[Captain_Caveman]

Still lukewarm on White. Dude was beyond atrocious last 5 games of that series. Was -87 while shooting 27% on 12-44 shooting and getting his ass blasted off on defense. He gave us a couple of big games in the playoffs, but was poor overall, and straight up unplayable by the end. Smart and versatile, but not a very good scorer and he gets exposed fast vs actual talent.

[leper-con]

Still lukewarm on White. Dude was beyond atrocious last 5 games of that series. Was -87 while shooting 27% on 12-44 shooting and getting his ass blasted off on defense. He gave us a couple of big games in the playoffs, but was poor overall, and straight up unplayable by the end. Smart and versatile, but not a very good scorer and he gets exposed fast vs actual talent.

I'm still luke warm myself.
But he was brought in as a steadying influence and to help facilitate offence. His best attribute is his ability to move the ball.

[Captain_Caveman]

Still lukewarm on White. Dude was beyond atrocious last 5 games of that series. Was -87 while shooting 27% on 12-44 shooting and getting his ass blasted off on defense. He gave us a couple of big games in the playoffs, but was poor overall, and straight up unplayable by the end. Smart and versatile, but not a very good scorer and he gets exposed fast vs actual talent.

I'm still luke warm myself.
But he was brought in as a steadying influence and to help facilitate offence. His best attribute is his ability to move the ball.

Sadly, he was the worst offensive player in our rotation by a lot in the playoffs.

He hit his ceiling hard.

[SuperDeluxe]

I'd keep White and give him one proper offseason with the team.

The thing no one talks about is White is clearly a rythm-motion offense player. He's excellent when the ball is moving. It's just our offense is so ISO centered, no movement at all, no sets, half assed screens he ends up taking contested 3pt shots or having to drive to the rim with a rested defender that has barely moved during the posession that he sucks. That's on Ime.

I would add that the ball moves much better when he's on the court, so he's both the chicken and the egg. I already mentioned this elsewhere but he reminds me of Hayward in that regard.