Jayson Tatum Thread

[Triple7]

Gil nem saying Tatum isn’t getting accolades because he’s BORING? What the hell you talking bout? Why does Jok win?? I don’t know why Tatum isn’t respected in the league, but sales don’t lie, his shoes and jerseys sell like fire! He’s extremely popular! The fans vote for him!!

It has nothing to do with how he plays because the fans obviously love it! They are BS me! They are pushing soft? Kiss my…

The only thing he hasn’t won is MVP. The media is the problem! Idk why they do it, but that’s the real answer!

Ok Gil came through at the end, soft narrative is HORSE CACA!! Plays all the time through injuries like LBJ, dunks, gets buckets, defends and is clutch. They had no answer for why he’s soft just like some of the people here.

THE MEDIA is the problem!!!!!

He doesn't get MVPs because other players are putting up better numbers on way higher efficiency

True. I have Jokic, Giannis, Luka and SGA above him. Aand there are a lot of players with arguement that can be better or as good as JT.

[Shak_Celts]

He doesn't get MVPs because other players are putting up better numbers on way higher efficiency

I wasn’t making that argument. I know why he didn’t win. I’m saying that no one has a problem with Tatum except MEDIA! I said MVP is the only thing he hasn’t won. I said he’s getting all the accolades, but media pushes that he’s soft or not good enough. EVERYTHING says different than the media narrative, he gets sales and fans love the way he plays! He’s extremely popular, but if you only listened to the media he’s boring and soft and not as good as Luka or Ant!

Luka is better than JT on offense. Ant is below JT no matter how the media try so hard to market ant.

Look at you saying offense like there isn’t two sides of the court. Luka is better offensively but I don’t think it's significant margin. I think if Tatum didn’t defend he could replicate Lukas numbers, not saying he’ll be as good but who knows if that’s the only thing he put effort into.

Tatum is a SIGNIFICANTLY better defender IMO and it doesn’t matter if Luka tried his hardest. Luka can defend some every now and then, but Tatum is better. If Tatum tried he could damn near put the clamps on most of the top of the league. If you can put the cuffs on KD (as much as one can), then you’re a really good defender. Really good and defender should never be lied on to describe Luka, on his best day! Yeah I saw him in the playoffs before he reached us, that was more to do with puppies than Luka’s defense! Idc what people say!


Tatum is better, but I know offense will always rule the day. It’s off to me, but people can like who they want.

[Fierce1]

It will come down to championships.

JT will win multiple chips, that's for sure.

Luka will have a short time in his prime because he doesn't stay in shape.

It's not too far-fetched that Luka could become the new mascot of Burger King.

[Triple7]

I wasn’t making that argument. I know why he didn’t win. I’m saying that no one has a problem with Tatum except MEDIA! I said MVP is the only thing he hasn’t won. I said he’s getting all the accolades, but media pushes that he’s soft or not good enough. EVERYTHING says different than the media narrative, he gets sales and fans love the way he plays! He’s extremely popular, but if you only listened to the media he’s boring and soft and not as good as Luka or Ant!

Luka is better than JT on offense. Ant is below JT no matter how the media try so hard to market ant.

Look at you saying offense like there isn’t two sides of the court. Luka is better offensively but I don’t think it's significant margin. I think if Tatum didn’t defend he could replicate Lukas numbers, not saying he’ll be as good but who knows if that’s the only thing he put effort into.

Tatum is a SIGNIFICANTLY better defender IMO and it doesn’t matter if Luka tried his hardest. Luka can defend some every now and then, but Tatum is better. If Tatum tried he could damn near put the clamps on most of the top of the league. If you can put the cuffs on KD (as much as one can), then you’re a really good defender. Really good and defender should never be lied on to describe Luka, on his best day! Yeah I saw him in the playoffs before he reached us, that was more to do with puppies than Luka’s defense! Idc what people say!


Tatum is better, but I know offense will always rule the day. It’s off to me, but people can like who they want.

Nope. Luka is significantly better than JT on offense. Its not close. JT has poor mid range game. He misses tons of wide open layups. A lot of easy layups. He doesn’t use the board on his shots at all except for layups. He also doesn’t finish well thru contact. Luka is a beast on offense. No weakness actually. If Tatum attacks the rim or just post up and do simple fadeaways, if his 3pt shot is not there, then maybe his efficiency would get better. Having games shooting 1/10 from 3 doesn’t help him at all. Why continue to shoot 3’s, if its very obvious you don’t have it. That’s just dumb.

[Fierce1]

Luka is better than JT on offense. Ant is below JT no matter how the media try so hard to market ant.

Look at you saying offense like there isn’t two sides of the court. Luka is better offensively but I don’t think it's significant margin. I think if Tatum didn’t defend he could replicate Lukas numbers, not saying he’ll be as good but who knows if that’s the only thing he put effort into.

Tatum is a SIGNIFICANTLY better defender IMO and it doesn’t matter if Luka tried his hardest. Luka can defend some every now and then, but Tatum is better. If Tatum tried he could damn near put the clamps on most of the top of the league. If you can put the cuffs on KD (as much as one can), then you’re a really good defender. Really good and defender should never be lied on to describe Luka, on his best day! Yeah I saw him in the playoffs before he reached us, that was more to do with puppies than Luka’s defense! Idc what people say!


Tatum is better, but I know offense will always rule the day. It’s off to me, but people can like who they want.

Nope. Luka is significantly better than JT on offense. Its not close. JT has poor mid range game. He misses tons of wide open layups. A lot of easy layups. He doesn’t use the board on his shots at all except for layups. He also doesn’t finish well thru contact. Luka is a beast on offense. No weakness actually. If Tatum attacks the rim or just post up and do simple fadeaways, if his 3pt shot is not there, then maybe his efficiency would get better. Having games shooting 1/10 from 3 doesn’t help him at all. Why continue to shoot 3’s, if its very obvious you don’t have it. That’s just dumb.

That's because your concept of NBA basketball is the 1980s version.

Reason why JT continues to shoot 3s, even if he's missing, is to piss off Celtic fans like you.

And Luka may be better on offense now, but you will change your mind in a couple of years when Luka will start looking like the mascot of Burger King.

[Fierce1]

I have proof that JT is hearing what the Celtic fans are saying, especially the critics.

After the Cs won the chip last June, JT was interviewed and asked what he has to say to the critics after finally winning a chip.

JT said that critics will say they had an easy road to the chip and they will just have to do it again next year.

[Triple7]

Look at you saying offense like there isn’t two sides of the court. Luka is better offensively but I don’t think it's significant margin. I think if Tatum didn’t defend he could replicate Lukas numbers, not saying he’ll be as good but who knows if that’s the only thing he put effort into.

Tatum is a SIGNIFICANTLY better defender IMO and it doesn’t matter if Luka tried his hardest. Luka can defend some every now and then, but Tatum is better. If Tatum tried he could damn near put the clamps on most of the top of the league. If you can put the cuffs on KD (as much as one can), then you’re a really good defender. Really good and defender should never be lied on to describe Luka, on his best day! Yeah I saw him in the playoffs before he reached us, that was more to do with puppies than Luka’s defense! Idc what people say!


Tatum is better, but I know offense will always rule the day. It’s off to me, but people can like who they want.

Nope. Luka is significantly better than JT on offense. Its not close. JT has poor mid range game. He misses tons of wide open layups. A lot of easy layups. He doesn’t use the board on his shots at all except for layups. He also doesn’t finish well thru contact. Luka is a beast on offense. No weakness actually. If Tatum attacks the rim or just post up and do simple fadeaways, if his 3pt shot is not there, then maybe his efficiency would get better. Having games shooting 1/10 from 3 doesn’t help him at all. Why continue to shoot 3’s, if its very obvious you don’t have it. That’s just dumb.

That's because your concept of NBA basketball is the 1980s version.

Reason why JT continues to shoot 3s, even if he's missing, is to piss off Celtic fans like you.

And Luka may be better on offense now, but you will change your mind in a couple of years when Luka will start looking like the mascot of Burger King.

Well i don’t see mvp candidates like SGA or luka having games shooting 1/10 from 3. That’s why he lost all the awards to Jaylen. Jaylen mixes it up. Better ability to get to the basket, and a better finisher and has mid range game.

[Triple7]

I have proof that JT is hearing what the Celtic fans are saying, especially the critics.

After the Cs won the chip last June, JT was interviewed and asked what he has to say to the critics after finally winning a chip.

JT said that critics will say they had an easy road to the chip and they will just have to do it again next year.

I’m telling you JT wasn’t happy not getting east mvp, and finals mvp. He looked like he was going to cry on interviews. Also its clear he was benched in the olympics because he was the worst shooter in the lineup. If you are shooting 1/6 from three, then i think its clear you don’t have it. Continuing to chuck 3’s to reach 1/10 makes him look stupid and lazy.

[Fierce1]

Nope. Luka is significantly better than JT on offense. Its not close. JT has poor mid range game. He misses tons of wide open layups. A lot of easy layups. He doesn’t use the board on his shots at all except for layups. He also doesn’t finish well thru contact. Luka is a beast on offense. No weakness actually. If Tatum attacks the rim or just post up and do simple fadeaways, if his 3pt shot is not there, then maybe his efficiency would get better. Having games shooting 1/10 from 3 doesn’t help him at all. Why continue to shoot 3’s, if its very obvious you don’t have it. That’s just dumb.

That's because your concept of NBA basketball is the 1980s version.

Reason why JT continues to shoot 3s, even if he's missing, is to piss off Celtic fans like you.

And Luka may be better on offense now, but you will change your mind in a couple of years when Luka will start looking like the mascot of Burger King.

Well i don’t see mvp candidates like SGA or luka having games shooting 1/10 from 3. That’s why he lost all the awards to Jaylen. Jaylen mixes it up. Better ability to get to the basket, and a better finisher and has mid range game.

What you're saying true.

But has it ever occurred to you that JT just does not care?

Us fans want him to be MVP, but what if JT himself does not want to be MVP?

For me, I will be content with SGA and Luka getting the MVP while JT getting multiple championships.

Clearly you don't understand JT's mentality.

JT is such a confident player that missing a ton of 3s does not affect how he operates.

If his misses is hurting the team then that's another story.

But the Cs just keep winning, so who are we to dictate what he should do.

I mean the results should be what's important for us fans, right?

[Fierce1]

I have proof that JT is hearing what the Celtic fans are saying, especially the critics.

After the Cs won the chip last June, JT was interviewed and asked what he has to say to the critics after finally winning a chip.

JT said that critics will say they had an easy road to the chip and they will just have to do it again next year.

I’m telling you JT wasn’t happy not getting east mvp, and finals mvp. He looked like he was going to cry on interviews. Also its clear he was benched in the olympics because he was the worst shooter in the lineup. If you are shooting 1/6 from three, then i think its clear you don’t have it. Continuing to chuck 3’s to reach 1/10 makes him look stupid and lazy.

You're listening but you're not hearing the message.

Like I said, Tatum does not care!

So what if he looks lazy and stupid?

As long as they're winning, it's not important how he looks.

What if JT puts a red ball on his nose so he will look like a clown when he's playing?

Or what if JT wears rabbit ears when he's playing?

[Fierce1]

John Havlicek did not win a regular season MVP.

But he has 8 championships.

I prefer JT winning multiple chips than chasing MVPs.

[Triple7]

That's because your concept of NBA basketball is the 1980s version.

Reason why JT continues to shoot 3s, even if he's missing, is to piss off Celtic fans like you.

And Luka may be better on offense now, but you will change your mind in a couple of years when Luka will start looking like the mascot of Burger King.

Well i don’t see mvp candidates like SGA or luka having games shooting 1/10 from 3. That’s why he lost all the awards to Jaylen. Jaylen mixes it up. Better ability to get to the basket, and a better finisher and has mid range game.

What you're saying true.

But has it ever occurred to you that JT just does not care?

Us fans want him to be MVP, but what if JT himself does not want to be MVP?

For me, I will be content with SGA and Luka getting the MVP while JT getting multiple championships.

Clearly you don't understand JT's mentality.

JT is such a confident player that missing a ton of 3s does not affect how he operates.

If his misses is hurting the team then that's another story.

But the Cs just keep winning, so who are we to dictate what he should do.

I mean the results should be what's important for us fans, right?

Well if he doesn’t want to be mvp, then that’s a knack on his competitive spirit. He did said he wants to be mvp, and wanted to be the face of the league. Also, not getting the awards and getting disrespected in the olympcs, you would think he has something to prove. He still has a chance if Jokic and Giannis doesn’t crack top 4 in the standings, and we end up top seed. But he needs to be consistent and efficient.

[Triple7]

I have proof that JT is hearing what the Celtic fans are saying, especially the critics.

After the Cs won the chip last June, JT was interviewed and asked what he has to say to the critics after finally winning a chip.

JT said that critics will say they had an easy road to the chip and they will just have to do it again next year.

I’m telling you JT wasn’t happy not getting east mvp, and finals mvp. He looked like he was going to cry on interviews. Also its clear he was benched in the olympics because he was the worst shooter in the lineup. If you are shooting 1/6 from three, then i think its clear you don’t have it. Continuing to chuck 3’s to reach 1/10 makes him look stupid and lazy.

You're listening but you're not hearing the message.

Like I said, Tatum does not care!

So what if he looks lazy and stupid?

As long as they're winning, it's not important how he looks.

What if JT puts a red ball on his nose so he will look like a clown when he's playing?

Or what if JT wears rabbit ears when he's playing?

Nah. He cares definitely. Especially with what happened last year. Not getting the awards.

[Fierce1]

Well i don’t see mvp candidates like SGA or luka having games shooting 1/10 from 3. That’s why he lost all the awards to Jaylen. Jaylen mixes it up. Better ability to get to the basket, and a better finisher and has mid range game.

What you're saying true.

But has it ever occurred to you that JT just does not care?

Us fans want him to be MVP, but what if JT himself does not want to be MVP?

For me, I will be content with SGA and Luka getting the MVP while JT getting multiple championships.

Clearly you don't understand JT's mentality.

JT is such a confident player that missing a ton of 3s does not affect how he operates.

If his misses is hurting the team then that's another story.

But the Cs just keep winning, so who are we to dictate what he should do.

I mean the results should be what's important for us fans, right?

Well if he doesn’t want to be mvp, then that’s a knack on his competitive spirit. He did said he wants to be mvp, and wanted to be the face of the league. Also, not getting the awards and getting disrespected in the olympcs, you would think he has something to prove. He still has a chance if Jokic and Giannis doesn’t crack top 4 in the standings, and we end up top seed. But he needs to be consistent and efficient.

From what I've learned over the years from JT, you leave him alone because we want the focus to be winning championships and not winning MVPs.

[Fierce1]

I’m telling you JT wasn’t happy not getting east mvp, and finals mvp. He looked like he was going to cry on interviews. Also its clear he was benched in the olympics because he was the worst shooter in the lineup. If you are shooting 1/6 from three, then i think its clear you don’t have it. Continuing to chuck 3’s to reach 1/10 makes him look stupid and lazy.

You're listening but you're not hearing the message.

Like I said, Tatum does not care!

So what if he looks lazy and stupid?

As long as they're winning, it's not important how he looks.

What if JT puts a red ball on his nose so he will look like a clown when he's playing?

Or what if JT wears rabbit ears when he's playing?

Nah. He cares definitely. Especially with what happened last year. Not getting the awards.

Now you're not seeing what's actually happening.

Actions speak louder than words, right?

Didn't you say JT is not efficient and looks lazy and stupid?

What makes you think being not efficient, looking lazy and stupid will win MVP?

What JT is saying is not consistent with his actions.

[Bar Fight]

That's because your concept of NBA basketball is the 1980s version.

Reason why JT continues to shoot 3s, even if he's missing, is to piss off Celtic fans like you.

And Luka may be better on offense now, but you will change your mind in a couple of years when Luka will start looking like the mascot of Burger King.

Well i don’t see mvp candidates like SGA or luka having games shooting 1/10 from 3. That’s why he lost all the awards to Jaylen. Jaylen mixes it up. Better ability to get to the basket, and a better finisher and has mid range game.

What you're saying true.

But has it ever occurred to you that JT just does not care?

Us fans want him to be MVP, but what if JT himself does not want to be MVP?

For me, I will be content with SGA and Luka getting the MVP while JT getting multiple championships.

Clearly you don't understand JT's mentality.

JT is such a confident player that missing a ton of 3s does not affect how he operates.

If his misses is hurting the team then that's another story.

But the Cs just keep winning, so who are we to dictate what he should do.

I mean the results should be what's important for us fans, right?

He has stated multiple times in multiple interviews that winning MVP is a goal of his. Come on now lol

[playa-hater]

I hate that Luka is better offensively argument. seems very limited. Sure Luka > Tatum at induvial numbers. But the way Luka accounts for his offensive output often comes at the expense of his teammates diminishing their output. In Short, Luka pounding the ball is NOT ever going to be better for the Team's offense.

[shackles10]

I hate that Luka is better offensively argument. seems very limited. Sure Luka > Tatum at induvial numbers. But the way Luka accounts for his offensive output often comes at the expense of his teammates diminishing their output. In Short, Luka pounding the ball is NOT ever going to be better for the Team's offense.

I think this theory is worth looking into. I mean we can't really do more than look into it as it's fairly subjective, but I think the overall consensus is Tatum is way better on defense and Luka is at least better on offense and the degree to which is debated. Also debated is does it then make Luka a better player (which would suggest he must be sizably better on offense to make up for the defensive difference). So many other variables into it, the most impactful of which being quality of teammates, but if you look at their team's offensive rating the last 3 years it is Boston over Dallas every year like you allude to. This year we're 3rd and Dallas is 4th, but difference between 3rd and 4th is same difference between 4th and 9th. Last year we were 1st and Dallas 8th and that difference was same as 8th and 24th. Go back another year and we made it to the Finals rated 2nd ORTG compared to 6th for Dallas. Same difference existed between 6th and 14th. So it's not like they were necessarily close to our ORTG even when ranking wise they were only a few spots away at times. There's at least an argument to make for Tatum's impact on offense compared to Luka's ball-centric, but there's a counter argument to be made for JB, White, Al, etc compared to Kyrie and little else and teammates impact since it is TEAM ratiting. There's also the coaching argument to be made and the impact on offense.

I think even if you feel JT has the edge on offense as well, it's harder to make the argument in the playoffs when things slow down and teams play more iso relying on their best players with more minutes to those players too.

Either way, unless we're subbing out each possession I still prefer the overall game of our child over the neighbor kid with the fancy bike.

[Fierce1]

Well i don’t see mvp candidates like SGA or luka having games shooting 1/10 from 3. That’s why he lost all the awards to Jaylen. Jaylen mixes it up. Better ability to get to the basket, and a better finisher and has mid range game.

What you're saying true.

But has it ever occurred to you that JT just does not care?

Us fans want him to be MVP, but what if JT himself does not want to be MVP?

For me, I will be content with SGA and Luka getting the MVP while JT getting multiple championships.

Clearly you don't understand JT's mentality.

JT is such a confident player that missing a ton of 3s does not affect how he operates.

If his misses is hurting the team then that's another story.

But the Cs just keep winning, so who are we to dictate what he should do.

I mean the results should be what's important for us fans, right?

He has stated multiple times in multiple interviews that winning MVP is a goal of his. Come on now lol

And like I said, his words does not match his actions.

If he really wants MVP then he should stop taking 3s when they are not falling.

But he doesn't care, he just lets it fly!

[ryan in Maine]

Tayson Jatum !