2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg

[165bows]

I can't believe Kon Knueppel is consistently being projected in the top ten. I think he is the slow version of austin reeves at best. And even if his offense is equivalent, which I don't think it is. Who can he possibly guard?? Not saying he doesn't have a role in the NBA but top ten would make me sick.

Another one I see almost always gone by lates is Jase Richardson.. Not even 6'1 without sneakers?? Not even a point guard at that size?? There are certainly exceptions to that rule like Allen Iverson, but I just don't see it with him.. I pray Boston, doesn't try to get this player.

Of course. My thinking is always getting more positional length and athleticism..

I definitely get it about size, length and athleticism but I still kind of like Jase Richardson. Poor man’s Kyrie Irving was my comp but also another name is Donovan Mitchell. Mitchell was more dynamic as a freshman but also wasn’t close to as good a scorer as an 18 as Richardson.

Basically he’s the classic small guy where his elite scoring would have to hold up at the higher level and he’d have to be at least a Celtics’ style PG where they just play two good Pgs together all the time anyways.

[playa-hater]

I can't believe Kon Knueppel is consistently being projected in the top ten. I think he is the slow version of austin reeves at best. And even if his offense is equivalent, which I don't think it is. Who can he possibly guard?? Not saying he doesn't have a role in the NBA but top ten would make me sick.

Another one I see almost always gone by lates is Jase Richardson.. Not even 6'1 without sneakers?? Not even a point guard at that size?? There are certainly exceptions to that rule like Allen Iverson, but I just don't see it with him.. I pray Boston, doesn't try to get this player.

Of course. My thinking is always getting more positional length and athleticism..

I definitely get it about size, length and athleticism but I still kind of like Jase Richardson. Poor man’s Kyrie Irving was my comp but also another name is Donovan Mitchell. Mitchell was more dynamic as a freshman but also wasn’t close to as good a scorer as an 18 as Richardson.

Basically he’s the classic small guy where his elite scoring would have to hold up at the higher level and he’d have to be at least a Celtics’ style PG where they just play two good Pgs together all the time anyways.

Yes, but donovan mitchell is built like a linebacker and jumps as high and explosively as anyone. I don't see that for Jase.. But even if I did having him with p p to me is a defensive nightmare.

Think about Dame Lillard and CJ. Mccullum for example.. They can definitely score but was defensively weak for so many years together. And PP and Jase would not even be in that class offensively.

[djFan71]

I can't believe Kon Knueppel is consistently being projected in the top ten. I think he is the slow version of austin reeves at best. And even if his offense is equivalent, which I don't think it is. Who can he possibly guard?? Not saying he doesn't have a role in the NBA but top ten would make me sick.

Another one I see almost always gone by lates is Jase Richardson.. Not even 6'1 without sneakers?? Not even a point guard at that size?? There are certainly exceptions to that rule like Allen Iverson, but I just don't see it with him.. I pray Boston, doesn't try to get this player.

Of course. My thinking is always getting more positional length and athleticism..

I definitely get it about size, length and athleticism but I still kind of like Jase Richardson. Poor man’s Kyrie Irving was my comp but also another name is Donovan Mitchell. Mitchell was more dynamic as a freshman but also wasn’t close to as good a scorer as an 18 as Richardson.

Basically he’s the classic small guy where his elite scoring would have to hold up at the higher level and he’d have to be at least a Celtics’ style PG where they just play two good Pgs together all the time anyways.

Yes, but donovan mitchell is built like a linebacker and jumps as high and explosively as anyone. I don't see that for Jase.. But even if I did having him with p p to me is a defensive nightmare.

Think about Dame Lillard and CJ. Mccullum for example.. They can definitely score but was defensively weak for so many years together. And PP and Jase would not even be in that class offensively.

Count me out on Jase as well. He knows the game well, seems clutch, etc, but has no playmaking or even a right hand. You need the full package at that size, to me. And even then, it's hard.

[165bows]

I definitely get it about size, length and athleticism but I still kind of like Jase Richardson. Poor man’s Kyrie Irving was my comp but also another name is Donovan Mitchell. Mitchell was more dynamic as a freshman but also wasn’t close to as good a scorer as an 18 as Richardson.

Basically he’s the classic small guy where his elite scoring would have to hold up at the higher level and he’d have to be at least a Celtics’ style PG where they just play two good Pgs together all the time anyways.

Yes, but donovan mitchell is built like a linebacker and jumps as high and explosively as anyone. I don't see that for Jase.. But even if I did having him with p p to me is a defensive nightmare.

Think about Dame Lillard and CJ. Mccullum for example.. They can definitely score but was defensively weak for so many years together. And PP and Jase would not even be in that class offensively.

Count me out on Jase as well. He knows the game well, seems clutch, etc, but has no playmaking or even a right hand. You need the full package at that size, to me. And even then, it's hard.

Yeah I get the concerns and I guess I’m just a bit higher on him than most as a player more than the exact fit here in Boston. He’s small but also he was a great scorer as an 18 year old so maybe he can make it work.

Otoh he’s only 18 so the fit issue is less of a concern, it’s going to be a few years one way or the other to see what he actually is so I’m not super concerned that he’d be taking a ton of PT with PP if you know want I mean.

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Yes, but donovan mitchell is built like a linebacker and jumps as high and explosively as anyone. I don't see that for Jase.. But even if I did having him with p p to me is a defensive nightmare.

Think about Dame Lillard and CJ. Mccullum for example.. They can definitely score but was defensively weak for so many years together. And PP and Jase would not even be in that class offensively.

Count me out on Jase as well. He knows the game well, seems clutch, etc, but has no playmaking or even a right hand. You need the full package at that size, to me. And even then, it's hard.

Yeah I get the concerns and I guess I’m just a bit higher on him than most as a player more than the exact fit here in Boston. He’s small but also he was a great scorer as an 18 year old so maybe he can make it work.

Otoh he’s only 18 so the fit issue is less of a concern, it’s going to be a few years one way or the other to see what he actually is so I’m not super concerned that he’d be taking a ton of PT with PP if you know want I mean.

He's a freshman, so he's going to keep filling out his frame. For sure, small guards are prone to struggle in the modern NBA. But I don't think Jase size disqualifies him. He measured better than TJ McConnell and Payton Pritchard and those guys are valuable players in spite of their size.

TJ Measurements: 6' 0.5" barefoot - 6' 2" - wingspan - 188 lbs - 8' 0.5" standing reach
Pritchard Measurements: 6' 0.50'' barefoot - 6' 4'' wingspan - 205 lbs - 7' 11" standing reach (some sites list weight at 195lbs)
Jase Measurements: 6' 0.50'' barefoot - 6' 6'' wingspan - 178 lbs - 8' 2.50" standing reach

I can see why some people wouldn't want him based on size and lack of PG skills, and Brad really does not seem to like small guards on principle. But I wouldn't hate him as a pick, especially if we are making 2 or more picks (if we add draft picks in a trade).

[cloverleaf]

This is the year of the C's draft big(s). There are several players with good potential and decently high floors who are projected at least into the second half of the first round. I'd be shocked if the C's don't bag at least one. Even combining picks to move up for one if necessary. But my hope is they get lucky and maybe use a 2nd or two to come up with a promising 4 and 5.

(Meanwhile I see Rico, Drew and JD getting time at the wing and guard sports.)

[Celts17Pride]

This is the year of the C's draft big(s). There are several players with good potential and decently high floors who are projected at least into the second half of the first round. I'd be shocked if the C's don't bag at least one. Even combining picks to move up for one if necessary. But my hope is they get lucky and maybe use a 2nd or two to come up with a promising 4 and 5.

(Meanwhile I see Rico, Drew and JD getting time at the wing and guard sports.)

Celtics definitely need toughness in the frontcourt. The Magic and Knicks series showed the Celtics that. Mitch Robinson looked like Bill Russell against the Celtics

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Philly Voice has their latest Mock and we have a Celtics trade...

No. 21 overall (TRADE): Boston Celtics select Danny Wolf, C, Michigan

Trade terms: Utah Jazz trade No. 21 overall pick to Boston Celtics for No. 32 overall pick, Sam Hauser.

Boston needs to trade Hauser this summer as part of their cost-cutting measures despite his elite three-point shooting and valuable contract. The most obvious solution is to use him to move up from one of their two top-32 picks, and Utah is now being run by former Celtics executive Austin Ainge. The Jazz seem to be looking to improve after posting the worst record in the NBA last season, and dropping 11 spots in this range to add a shooter of Hauser's caliber on such a team-friendly deal is an obvious win.

No. 28 overall: Boston Celtics select Chaz Lanier, SG, Tennessee

Looking to replace Hauser's shooting, the Celtics take Lanier to add one of the most prolific snipers in college basketball this season. If he has a career anything like the one Hauser has enjoyed so far, this pick will pay off in spades.

[phincsfan]

Philly Voice has their latest Mock and we have a Celtics trade...

No. 21 overall (TRADE): Boston Celtics select Danny Wolf, C, Michigan

Trade terms: Utah Jazz trade No. 21 overall pick to Boston Celtics for No. 32 overall pick, Sam Hauser.

Boston needs to trade Hauser this summer as part of their cost-cutting measures despite his elite three-point shooting and valuable contract. The most obvious solution is to use him to move up from one of their two top-32 picks, and Utah is now being run by former Celtics executive Austin Ainge. The Jazz seem to be looking to improve after posting the worst record in the NBA last season, and dropping 11 spots in this range to add a shooter of Hauser's caliber on such a team-friendly deal is an obvious win.

No. 28 overall: Boston Celtics select Chaz Lanier, SG, Tennessee

Looking to replace Hauser's shooting, the Celtics take Lanier to add one of the most prolific snipers in college basketball this season. If he has a career anything like the one Hauser has enjoyed so far, this pick will pay off in spades.

21 would be great, but I don't see that happening. PP can get the 21st pick, but I think Sam needs one more year of proving and his value can be really good, especially with more minutes.

I think Orlando can be a suitor for Hauser. They have 4 team options, Wagner being the main one. They can decline Harris and Joseph's options and that would equal what Hauser will make. He's a perfect fit for their bench with his shooting.

Question is, will a target still be there at 25? If so, and it takes Sam to get that target than I'm all in on trusting the scouts.

[165bows]

Count me out on Jase as well. He knows the game well, seems clutch, etc, but has no playmaking or even a right hand. You need the full package at that size, to me. And even then, it's hard.

Yeah I get the concerns and I guess I’m just a bit higher on him than most as a player more than the exact fit here in Boston. He’s small but also he was a great scorer as an 18 year old so maybe he can make it work.

Otoh he’s only 18 so the fit issue is less of a concern, it’s going to be a few years one way or the other to see what he actually is so I’m not super concerned that he’d be taking a ton of PT with PP if you know want I mean.

He's a freshman, so he's going to keep filling out his frame. For sure, small guards are prone to struggle in the modern NBA. But I don't think Jase size disqualifies him. He measured better than TJ McConnell and Payton Pritchard and those guys are valuable players in spite of their size.

TJ Measurements: 6' 0.5" barefoot - 6' 2" - wingspan - 188 lbs - 8' 0.5" standing reach
Pritchard Measurements: 6' 0.50'' barefoot - 6' 4'' wingspan - 205 lbs - 7' 11" standing reach (some sites list weight at 195lbs)
Jase Measurements: 6' 0.50'' barefoot - 6' 6'' wingspan - 178 lbs - 8' 2.50" standing reach

I can see why some people wouldn't want him based on size and lack of PG skills, and Brad really does not seem to like small guards on principle. But I wouldn't hate him as a pick, especially if we are making 2 or more picks (if we add draft picks in a trade).

Better length measurements than Christian Braun and Andrew Nembhard iirc neither of whom are PGs either.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Philly Voice has their latest Mock and we have a Celtics trade...

No. 21 overall (TRADE): Boston Celtics select Danny Wolf, C, Michigan

Trade terms: Utah Jazz trade No. 21 overall pick to Boston Celtics for No. 32 overall pick, Sam Hauser.

Boston needs to trade Hauser this summer as part of their cost-cutting measures despite his elite three-point shooting and valuable contract. The most obvious solution is to use him to move up from one of their two top-32 picks, and Utah is now being run by former Celtics executive Austin Ainge. The Jazz seem to be looking to improve after posting the worst record in the NBA last season, and dropping 11 spots in this range to add a shooter of Hauser's caliber on such a team-friendly deal is an obvious win.

No. 28 overall: Boston Celtics select Chaz Lanier, SG, Tennessee

Looking to replace Hauser's shooting, the Celtics take Lanier to add one of the most prolific snipers in college basketball this season. If he has a career anything like the one Hauser has enjoyed so far, this pick will pay off in spades.

21 would be great, but I don't see that happening. PP can get the 21st pick, but I think Sam needs one more year of proving and his value can be really good, especially with more minutes.

I think Orlando can be a suitor for Hauser. They have 4 team options, Wagner being the main one. They can decline Harris and Joseph's options and that would equal what Hauser will make. He's a perfect fit for their bench with his shooting.

Question is, will a target still be there at 25? If so, and it takes Sam to get that target than I'm all in on trusting the scouts.

What you meant to say is PP can get a Lottery Pick and that of course is true.

Secondly, if Stevens can't acquire the 21st Pick for Hauser in this Piss-Poor Draft, then he needs to give up his GM card.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I saw this somewhere, maybe Givorny, but a lot of the Lottery Picks in this Draft may be washouts and it's considered a Poor Draft overall.

[brackdan70]

I saw this somewhere, maybe Givorny, but a lot of the Lottery Picks in this Draft may be washouts and it's considered a Poor Draft overall.

That was last year. This years draft is considered better than average to very good. It’s not the best ever or anything but solid. Obviously the top is strong. Mid to late lotto though is perhaps average and some guys you could miss on or be disappointed in. The depth of the draft into the mid 30s seems pretty decent to me.

[Hal14]

This is the year of the C's draft big(s). There are several players with good potential and decently high floors who are projected at least into the second half of the first round. I'd be shocked if the C's don't bag at least one. Even combining picks to move up for one if necessary. But my hope is they get lucky and maybe use a 2nd or two to come up with a promising 4 and 5.

(Meanwhile I see Rico, Drew and JD getting time at the wing and guard sports.)

Celtics definitely need toughness in the frontcourt. The Magic and Knicks series showed the Celtics that. Mitch Robinson looked like Bill Russell against the Celtics

One reason I'm ok with it if we draft Broome.

He's tough as nails, physical..very good rebounder..

[playa-hater]

Count me out on Jase as well. He knows the game well, seems clutch, etc, but has no playmaking or even a right hand. You need the full package at that size, to me. And even then, it's hard.

Yeah I get the concerns and I guess I’m just a bit higher on him than most as a player more than the exact fit here in Boston. He’s small but also he was a great scorer as an 18 year old so maybe he can make it work.

Otoh he’s only 18 so the fit issue is less of a concern, it’s going to be a few years one way or the other to see what he actually is so I’m not super concerned that he’d be taking a ton of PT with PP if you know want I mean.

He's a freshman, so he's going to keep filling out his frame. For sure, small guards are prone to struggle in the modern NBA. But I don't think Jase size disqualifies him. He measured better than TJ McConnell and Payton Pritchard and those guys are valuable players in spite of their size.

TJ Measurements: 6' 0.5" barefoot - 6' 2" - wingspan - 188 lbs - 8' 0.5" standing reach
Pritchard Measurements: 6' 0.50'' barefoot - 6' 4'' wingspan - 205 lbs - 7' 11" standing reach (some sites list weight at 195lbs)
Jase Measurements: 6' 0.50'' barefoot - 6' 6'' wingspan - 178 lbs - 8' 2.50" standing reach

I can see why some people wouldn't want him based on size and lack of PG skills, and Brad really does not seem to like small guards on principle. But I wouldn't hate him as a pick, especially if we are making 2 or more picks (if we add draft picks in a trade).

Yes but TJ and PP are really good off the bench players. and If drafting Chase was to upgrade the bench as a 6th man type than fine. But we have the 6th man of the year already. And we have major holes needed to fill and maybe start more than Jase and what he can bring to the table.

[playa-hater]

Philly Voice has their latest Mock and we have a Celtics trade...

No. 21 overall (TRADE): Boston Celtics select Danny Wolf, C, Michigan

Trade terms: Utah Jazz trade No. 21 overall pick to Boston Celtics for No. 32 overall pick, Sam Hauser.

Boston needs to trade Hauser this summer as part of their cost-cutting measures despite his elite three-point shooting and valuable contract. The most obvious solution is to use him to move up from one of their two top-32 picks, and Utah is now being run by former Celtics executive Austin Ainge. The Jazz seem to be looking to improve after posting the worst record in the NBA last season, and dropping 11 spots in this range to add a shooter of Hauser's caliber on such a team-friendly deal is an obvious win.

No. 28 overall: Boston Celtics select Chaz Lanier, SG, Tennessee

Looking to replace Hauser's shooting, the Celtics take Lanier to add one of the most prolific snipers in college basketball this season. If he has a career anything like the one Hauser has enjoyed so far, this pick will pay off in spades.

I was happy with everything so far reading this until we drafted Lanier. Love Wolf. But Lanier is only a shooting guard and we have Rico waiting next up. Too many other good ones should still be there at 28. Like the trade though.

[flintsky21]

I'm starting to be sold on Maxime Raynaud. Any chance he's still available at 28?

[djFan71]

Yeah I get the concerns and I guess I’m just a bit higher on him than most as a player more than the exact fit here in Boston. He’s small but also he was a great scorer as an 18 year old so maybe he can make it work.

Otoh he’s only 18 so the fit issue is less of a concern, it’s going to be a few years one way or the other to see what he actually is so I’m not super concerned that he’d be taking a ton of PT with PP if you know want I mean.

He's a freshman, so he's going to keep filling out his frame. For sure, small guards are prone to struggle in the modern NBA. But I don't think Jase size disqualifies him. He measured better than TJ McConnell and Payton Pritchard and those guys are valuable players in spite of their size.

TJ Measurements: 6' 0.5" barefoot - 6' 2" - wingspan - 188 lbs - 8' 0.5" standing reach
Pritchard Measurements: 6' 0.50'' barefoot - 6' 4'' wingspan - 205 lbs - 7' 11" standing reach (some sites list weight at 195lbs)
Jase Measurements: 6' 0.50'' barefoot - 6' 6'' wingspan - 178 lbs - 8' 2.50" standing reach

I can see why some people wouldn't want him based on size and lack of PG skills, and Brad really does not seem to like small guards on principle. But I wouldn't hate him as a pick, especially if we are making 2 or more picks (if we add draft picks in a trade).

Better length measurements than Christian Braun and Andrew Nembhard iirc neither of whom are PGs either.

Nah, both are quite a bit taller. Andrew’s brother in this draft is shorter though, maybe that’s what’s you were thinking?

Edit, wingspan is pretty much similar if that’s what you meant. But the extra height definitely helps the other guys.

[Gant]

I'm starting to be sold on Maxime Raynaud. Any chance he's still available at 28?

Some think there's a massive tier in this draft, running from the mid first round, all the way into the early second. If that's the case, Raynaud could be available at either 28 or 32. Somebody has to be. This is why the possibility of trading up is interesting, because the draft order is so unclear, which means if the Celtics do trade up just 8-10 spots or so, it means they're enthusiastically targeting someone.

NBAdraftroom has a helpful tier-centric analysis:
https://nbadraftroom.com/2025-nba-draft-big-board-9-0/

[Kalela]

Does anyone know if Broome was injured when he did his agility testing at the combine?