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Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader

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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#361 » by 31to6 » Sat Jan 7, 2017 4:22 am

Elrod is Back wrote:Abdel Nader goes all Yabusele today in D-League action:

39 minutes
32 points
11-17 fg
4-7 3pt fg
6-8 ft
10 rebounds
8 assists
1 steal
2 blocks

only negative--6 turnovers. no surprise if you handle the ball that much.

led Red Claws to victory: http://dleague.nba.com/games/20170106/MNELIN/

and here's the video:


Is it just me, or is there something just a little unusual about the way Nader's built, or holds his body for a basketball player? Maybe he moves like a decathalete or something. Am I imagining it? Or do others -- including defenders -- see it, and it's part of why he's blowing by guys who weren't quite ready for him to be able to?

Not ragging on him; very impressed. Look forward to next summer/fall for him to try to make the roster. On that note, I just rewatched this and counted Nader doing 9 things that I don't think James Young can do (a pretty fun game; see what you get!).
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#363 » by Parliament10 » Sun Jan 8, 2017 6:03 am

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Is this a Different day, against a Different team?

Or a repeat? 14-9.
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Post#364 » by Wes-J » Sun Jan 8, 2017 6:45 am

Young just keeping Nader's seat warm.
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Post#365 » by ConstableGeneva » Sun Jan 8, 2017 8:17 am

Parliament10 wrote:
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Is this a Different day, against a Different team?

Or a repeat? 14-9.

Same game, different highlight maker.
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Post#366 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Jan 9, 2017 1:08 am

Anyone know why the TermiNader only played 6 minutes in this one? He injured again? He's been playing really well this season. I'm hoping we'd bring him up after the 4-for-1 trade for Anthony Davis.

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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#367 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Jan 9, 2017 8:15 pm


Predictably, the CBA All-Star game is actually worse than the NBA All-Star game.
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Post#368 » by Parliament10 » Mon Jan 9, 2017 11:18 pm

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Predictably, the CBA All-Star game is actually worse than the NBA All-Star game.

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Post#369 » by jfs1000d » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:04 am

On Zizic, How he lasted until pick 23 I have no idea. Even waiting a year he should have been in the 15 or lower. Macabi is better than any college team out there. They would kill Kentucky in a game.

As far as Yabusele. I like him a lot more than others here as a rotation big, but that CBA all-star game was a joke. China is going to have to allow more americans. I know they want to develop Chinese players, but there aren't enough yet.

Yabs needs to play in Australia next year or something. More cash in China, but that's a stash for cash if I ever saw something.
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Post#370 » by SMTBSI » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:28 am

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Predictably, the CBA All-Star game is actually worse than the NBA All-Star game.

This is the worst thing I have ever seen. He doesn't even look like he's enjoying himself.

jfs1000d wrote:Yabs needs to play in Australia next year or something. More cash in China, but that's a stash for cash if I ever saw something.

Makes me wonder if the agreement was always to stash him for two years, where we'd let him go get a paycheck the first year but he has to upgrade to a better league the 2nd. Probably wishful thinking...
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#371 » by 31to6 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:01 am

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CrowderKeg wrote:
Predictably, the CBA All-Star game is actually worse than the NBA All-Star game.

This is the worst thing I have ever seen. He doesn't even look like he's enjoying himself.


No kidding. I can't understand how those guys can be in a uniform on a basketball court and acting like that. This applies to long stretches of our ASG as well. Sure, get off my lawn and stuff, but honestly and seriously it's disrespectful to the game and the idea of competitive sports.
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Post#372 » by GreenFor3 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:39 am

SMTBSI wrote:
CrowderKeg wrote:
Predictably, the CBA All-Star game is actually worse than the NBA All-Star game.

This is the worst thing I have ever seen. He doesn't even look like he's enjoying himself.

jfs1000d wrote:Yabs needs to play in Australia next year or something. More cash in China, but that's a stash for cash if I ever saw something.

Makes me wonder if the agreement was always to stash him for two years, where we'd let him go get a paycheck the first year but he has to upgrade to a better league the 2nd. Probably wishful thinking...

I doubt it. But I believe it has been said that when the CBA season ends, which is pretty early on, he will join the red claws for the remainder of the season.
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Post#373 » by neno » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:06 am

At about :49 seconds in he gets his head closer to the rim than I thought he was capable of
He kept up with Starbury laterally and blocked his shot( most defense and effort all clip)
Sully could never do either
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Post#374 » by jmr07019 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:51 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:
Predictably, the CBA All-Star game is actually worse than the NBA All-Star game.


Now the Sullinger comparisons are making sense to me lol.

In all seriousness I still do think Sully is a decent blueprint for Yabu's success despite the differences in body fat %. There was a time some of us thought Sully had all star potential. Hell he even strung together a really good 20 games to start last season and I thought he had turned a corner. Sully was able to score inside efficiently, rebound the ball and play effective defense despite the height limitations. If Yabu can do those 3 things while also shooting the 3 at a respectable percentage and staying in shape he will be a starter. If he can drive closeouts in the NBA like he's doing in China he'll be that much better and could approach 15 + ppg.

edit: have we compared yabu to Diaw yet? I think that's a good comparison.
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Post#375 » by jmr07019 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:55 pm

jfs1000d wrote:On Zizic, How he lasted until pick 23 I have no idea. Even waiting a year he should have been in the 15 or lower. Macabi is better than any college team out there. They would kill Kentucky in a game.

As far as Yabusele. I like him a lot more than others here as a rotation big, but that CBA all-star game was a joke. China is going to have to allow more americans. I know they want to develop Chinese players, but there aren't enough yet.

Yabs needs to play in Australia next year or something. More cash in China, but that's a stash for cash if I ever saw something.


Porzingis was rumored to be in the draft the year before he actually entered. At the time he was supposed to go around 15 or so. Looks like we got a similar situation on our hands here.
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Post#376 » by brackdan70 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:34 pm

Zizic with 16 points, 8 boards and 3 blocks, starter 26 minutes.

nice line.
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Post#377 » by neno » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:37 pm

brackdan70 wrote:Zizic with 16 points, 8 boards and 3 blocks, starter 26 minutes.

nice line.

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Post#378 » by darylbe » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:52 am

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jfs1000d wrote:On Zizic, How he lasted until pick 23 I have no idea. Even waiting a year he should have been in the 15 or lower. Macabi is better than any college team out there. They would kill Kentucky in a game.

As far as Yabusele. I like him a lot more than others here as a rotation big, but that CBA all-star game was a joke. China is going to have to allow more americans. I know they want to develop Chinese players, but there aren't enough yet.

Yabs needs to play in Australia next year or something. More cash in China, but that's a stash for cash if I ever saw something.


Porzingis was rumored to be in the draft the year before he actually entered. At the time he was supposed to go around 15 or so. Looks like we got a similar situation on our hands here.

Good. Taking zizic at 23 makes up for taking jaylen brown at 3, who is being outperformed by the top 10 draft picks except Ben Simmons (injured) and Dunn. Congratulations.

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Post#379 » by reload141 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:53 am

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jmr07019 wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:On Zizic, How he lasted until pick 23 I have no idea. Even waiting a year he should have been in the 15 or lower. Macabi is better than any college team out there. They would kill Kentucky in a game.

As far as Yabusele. I like him a lot more than others here as a rotation big, but that CBA all-star game was a joke. China is going to have to allow more americans. I know they want to develop Chinese players, but there aren't enough yet.

Yabs needs to play in Australia next year or something. More cash in China, but that's a stash for cash if I ever saw something.


Porzingis was rumored to be in the draft the year before he actually entered. At the time he was supposed to go around 15 or so. Looks like we got a similar situation on our hands here.

Good. Taking zizic at 23 makes up for taking jaylen brown at 3, who is being outperformed by the top 10 draft picks except Ben Simmons (injured) and Dunn. Congratulations.

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Post#380 » by jrob23 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:23 am

What's up with Brown's development? Shouldn't he stop biting on fakes and playing over aggressive defense? Shouldn't he have learned by now not to try and lead fast breaks? Shouldn't he know by now that unless he has a legit mismatch he shouldn't be trying to ISO guys? These are basketball basics. I thought he was supposed to smart. Is Brad telling him to stop this crap and benching him because he doesn't? I have to assume he is. But how hard is that to impress upon a young player? "Hey Jaylen, unless I tell you to, do not lead fastbreaks. Under no circumstances! If you find that you have the ball as you cross half court and more than 1 defender is in your vision..do not proceed. You've done this several times now to poor results. Stop it or you are Maine bound" or "if I specifically call a play for you on a mismatch, don't try and break your guy down...k?" "And if you get a wide open three..shoot it. I'm obviously fine with every player on this team shooting open threes. So don't get cute" How hard is that? I don't know what scares me more, that Brad IS coaching him up like that or he ISN'T. Because if he is and Jaylen isn't getting it, he was way overdrafted. If he ISN'T than we really have got the wrong coach to try and rebuild around young players and need to trade all our young assets for a superstar pronto because all these young players and future picks won't make a difference for years if at all.

Can you get in the rhythm of a game if you know you are getting yanked for making mistakes that vets around you get away with? Is that why he looks like he's pressing and overthinking? He's now made mistakes that you should learn not to make in high school and gets benched for the remainder of the game whether it's 6 minutes or 8 minutes in. Would playing 16-20 mpg with a longer leash be better for him like I think? Obviously Brad doesn't believe so. It's not so much a vote of confidence in Brown at this point. It's about finding out what we have in Brown. Is he good enough for us to pass on drafting Jackson or Tatum? Should we maybe package him with AB and other assets to try and land Butler? Wanting more minutes for him is also an indictment on Jae Crowder. Would Jaylen be sloppier out there? Yeah, but I don't think at this point he'd produce any less than Jae. Jae is a backup and it's pointless to keep Brown sitting while Jae is stinking up the joint. He doesn't even contribute to our wins much but he's a large reason we lose games because he's not defending or scoring enough for a starting SF in this league.

Why not just give SOME (not 30..not starting in place) of his minutes to Jaylen. Just do it for a few games. Give the kid 20 mpg no matter what stupid mistakes he makes then reassess after that. Did he hold his own? Did he outproduce Jae? Did he stop making dumb mistakes? Did teammates feed off his energy? 3 games, that's all I'm asking. Just do it before the trade deadline in case we get offers with him or Jae involved so we're better informed.

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