fallguy wrote:MagicBagley18 wrote:fallguy wrote:
Interjecting.
Character is the wrong word. But he's an atrocious leader. And a lazy defender that cost the team points all the time, including during some of the biggest games of the year. Those are real issues.
No idea why people keep bringing up IT.
Agreed he was a terrible leader. Mentioned that several times actually in my post- my question is why can’t he become 1? And given what we know about rozier brown etc were they even willing to be led? Even by general patton ?
IT is brought up by me-bc whenever we played elite teams he got exposed **** the bed and yet he was beloved by this fanbase because he said all the right things and that love this fan base had for him would have crippled the franchise bc many would have given him the max.
It shows that you can’t take most of the posters here serious because they let their emotions determine what’s best for the teams future as oppose to being objective and saying well I’m not a fan of kyrie the person or leader but I know it’s easier to have him on the roster and then build from there perhaps even in the 1b role.
Completely hypocritical to love IT and hate kyrie based on play when there play was similar except kyrie has done it on the highest levels in the past even if it was the robin role. if it isn’t based on play then as long as the guys not in trouble with the law, sexually assaulting or abusing woman children or any other heinous disgusting crime there’s no reason not to want him back and give him a chance to become a beloved celtic.
To be clear, I didn't want any part of extending IT's contract. I was thrilled to let him go and the Kyrie trade was a great move by Ainge even if it hasn't worked out as well as hoped. And yeah, IT was an awful defender. But he put in effort on defense, which is not something Kyrie can claim. IT was just so physically incapable the results were abominable. I just think it's silly to keep bringing up IT in the context of Kyrie discussions. He left two years ago. It's over. We need to move on.
Can Kyrie become a good leader? I highly doubt it given everything we know about his time in Boston and Cleveland but it's possible. Not sure I'd wager any kind of money on that.
Look, if Kyrie's return seals us AD, then great. Let's do it. But Kyrie, when you take in everything he brings and takes away, might be a #3, rather than a #2.
Kyrie when playing hard is probably a 3 overall and not a 2. (His offense in the right situation may be at the 1A or 1B level but his defense is bad to mediocre for a PG so that subtracts from his value even when he is trying his best on defense.)
This is not to bash Kyrie since the vast majority of NBA players are role players and are not even 3's.
With the Cavs, Lebron was like a #1 and #2 or even 2 #1's so they could get by with Kyrie being a 3 and Love floating between a 3 and more of a role player. Lebron carrying the Cavs to the NBA Finals in 2007 and then last year as well proved the guy is no ordinary 1. Yes, weak east but his teammates were not very good at all both of those years.
Anthony Davis is a #1 but I maintain he isn't as good as his stats indicate so I don't think of him as strong #1 like prime Duncan/KG. If a big man is trying to score down low, I'd probably rather have Marc Gasol from 1-2 years ago defending him than Anthony Davis. I wouldn't say the same about Tim Duncan or KG.
