"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[Fierce1]

Even if it was just for a veteran presence. Kemba still brings that giant contract and his playing style still conflicts with the obvious path the Pels are heading right now.

Guess it will depend on what draft picks the Celts will be offering.

But if the Pels think Lonzo is part of their future then disregard the trade proposal because part of the reason of the trade is the Pels not wanting to give Lonzo big money.

In that situation, the Pels still end up paying big bucks to a PG though because Kemba still will have 2 years left after this season. And I think the Pels could get back a better return than just Kemba for primarily a veteran presence.

Again if Im the Celtics, I really like the idea of using Kemba to get Lonzo. I just think for any chance of this happening, a 3rd team would be needed to take on Kemba. I just dont see any reason the Pels would want him.

The Pels might be interested if the Celts offer 2 1st round picks.

[SMTBSI]

Other than his knee, a factor that hasn't been talked about much with Jaylen's decline in efficiency is Smart's absence. Earlier in the season, Cobra's been great at setting up Jaylen more than any other teammate. Jaylen has been assisted twice as much by Smart (48) than the next most teammate (Tatum - 24). That's significant considering Smart's already missed half the team's games. Brown's TS% is also 4% lower when he's not sharing the floor with Smart.

I'm guessing with Smart down, Jaylen has had to create more of his own shots. Smart doesn't only find him in his spots but is also a better ball-mover than most of the team.

I'm still all-in on the Smart/Nesmith/Brown/Tatum/Timelord championship starting lineup. Won't give up on it until they're no longer all on the team. And probably not even then.

[Feed Your Head]

Guess it will depend on what draft picks the Celts will be offering.

But if the Pels think Lonzo is part of their future then disregard the trade proposal because part of the reason of the trade is the Pels not wanting to give Lonzo big money.

In that situation, the Pels still end up paying big bucks to a PG though because Kemba still will have 2 years left after this season. And I think the Pels could get back a better return than just Kemba for primarily a veteran presence.

Again if Im the Celtics, I really like the idea of using Kemba to get Lonzo. I just think for any chance of this happening, a 3rd team would be needed to take on Kemba. I just dont see any reason the Pels would want him.

The Pels might be interested if the Celts offer 2 1st round picks.

No, they would not lol. They didn’t want Kemba for Jrue in the summer, and they certainly don’t want Kemba now.

[reload141]

I just saw this.
IDK Reload. Who would we get for him? Hate to break up the Band.

I’d trade him 11/10 times for BrooklynDynasty. He’s a higher quality poster and isn’t as biased as Comedian.

Could probably get him for me, could get Prokorov for you, package deal. “Insider” for “insider”.

The thought of you being traded and not having my gif partner in crime is making me depressed.

You can never be traded or leave me.

[Fierce1]

No, they would not lol. They didn’t want Kemba for Jrue in the summer, and they certainly don’t want Kemba now.

That was when Kemba was not healthy.

But if the Pels don't want to do a deal then Celts just move on.

[Parliament10]

Other than his knee, a factor that hasn't been talked about much with Jaylen's decline in efficiency is Smart's absence. Earlier in the season, Cobra's been great at setting up Jaylen more than any other teammate. Jaylen has been assisted twice as much by Smart (48) than the next most teammate (Tatum - 24). That's significant considering Smart's already missed half the team's games. Brown's TS% is also 4% lower when he's not sharing the floor with Smart.

I'm guessing with Smart down, Jaylen has had to create more of his own shots. Smart doesn't only find him in his spots but is also a better ball-mover than most of the team.

I'm still all-in on the Smart/Nesmith/Brown/Tatum/Timelord championship starting lineup. Won't give up on it until they're no longer all on the team. And probably not even then.

I like it. Do you think that Smart will be our Starting PG, of the future?
Nesmith, or Langford (if he ever gets back to playing).

[Feed Your Head]

I’d trade him 11/10 times for BrooklynDynasty. He’s a higher quality poster and isn’t as biased as Comedian.

Could probably get him for me, could get Prokorov for you, package deal. “Insider” for “insider”.

The thought of you being traded and not having my gif partner in crime is making me depressed.

You can never be traded or leave me.

[Duke4life831]

No, they would not lol. They didn’t want Kemba for Jrue in the summer, and they certainly don’t want Kemba now.

That was when Kemba was not healthy.

But if the Pels don't want to do a deal then Celts just move on.

But its not like Kemba's play so far this year has bumped up his value from the summer.

[Feed Your Head]

I gotta say, if there was a mod rankings for derailing threads, I’d come in first.

[SMTBSI]

My nickname has stuck. Excellent.

Spoiler:

I actually suggested you as a mod when I was made one.

Haha it's stuck like Timelord's nickname stuck for Rob, it was a slow acceptance

Also I appreciate the Mod suggestion, but we all know I'm going to be the Don of the board anyway when we start the Celtics RealGM pod and I'm the host (eyes emoji)

You definitely should host, here’s how I expect it to go after losses.

Oh, I got this. I see Ernest on the couch, and exculpatory in the doorway. Tonight's guest is obviously RobotDave.

[Fierce1]

But its not like Kemba's play so far this year has bumped up his value from the summer.

He's getting better.

What's important is he's healthy.

Eventually he will shake off the rust.

[SMTBSI]

Other than his knee, a factor that hasn't been talked about much with Jaylen's decline in efficiency is Smart's absence. Earlier in the season, Cobra's been great at setting up Jaylen more than any other teammate. Jaylen has been assisted twice as much by Smart (48) than the next most teammate (Tatum - 24). That's significant considering Smart's already missed half the team's games. Brown's TS% is also 4% lower when he's not sharing the floor with Smart.

I'm guessing with Smart down, Jaylen has had to create more of his own shots. Smart doesn't only find him in his spots but is also a better ball-mover than most of the team.

I'm still all-in on the Smart/Nesmith/Brown/Tatum/Timelord championship starting lineup. Won't give up on it until they're no longer all on the team. And probably not even then.

I like it. Do you think that Smart will be our Starting PG, of the future?
Nesmith, or Langford (if he ever gets back to playing).

I'm still a little nervous about Smart's longevity, with his wrecking-ball playstyle. But I'm really liking his PG play, and I think he gets better the fewer shots he needs to take, and I'm envisioning a future where Nesmith is basically a Klay Thompson level shooter, because why not, and Brown and Tatum are both offensive dynamos...

Basically I'm setting myself up for disappointment. But I don't care.

[darrendaye]

Im starting to talk myself into a Lonzo trade, assuming he's avbl.

If the Cs could manage to dump Kemba, and trade for Ball and Barnes... man. Ball/JB/JT/Barnes/Rob would be such a nice core to watch develop.

Is dumping Kemba the answer? I mean he’s looking better, I guess moving ball into a starting roll gives more movement but then you put a lot more on the jays shoulders for scoring.

Lonzo would definitely be an upgrade for the team. His defense is much much better than Kemba's, then on the offensive end. Lonzo is becoming very good at moving off the ball and is a hell of a catch and shoot threat. He also is extremely smart with the ball and good at finding what is available to him. Now him creating in the half court is not his strength. But that is why he is a good fit with the Pels right now because the Pels have Zion and Ingram who both excel at creating in the half court. So Lonzo plugs in perfectly with them. Which is why the Pels since moving to a more Zion/Ingram oriented offense they have had the 3rd best offense in the league, even though they're led by two 23 year olds and a 20 year old.

If the plan is to move forward with Tatum/Brown leading the offense, you cant ask for a better PG to pair up with them than Lonzo. But if Brown isnt a guy that can create for himself consistently in the half court, Lonzo isnt really going to help out there. That just isnt his strength at the moment. His strength in the half court is off ball movement, catch and shoot and smart with the ball when it is in his hands.

Very happy to have you contribute to the conversation here. As you suggest, Tatum and Brown are still a work in progress and we do not know if they can handle the bulk of the playmaking workload. Tatum is further ahead, but I'm dubious if he ever achieves the point forward designation. I have always said I'd like Lonzo on the team later in his career. Though I think his value is likely too high for the C's to make that investment. I think you can get much of the same effect using Smart as the point guard.

For this team to push ahead, they need to figure out who is best to run the offense. As you mention with the Pels, Zion has always had a decent passing awareness as did Ingram. They serve as a Hill/McGrady type dynamic and need shooters around them. Not to Celtic typecast, but, Tatum and Brown might be looking more like a Pierce/Allen type tandem and really need a Rondo type who can constantly attack the paint, draw multiple defenders and primarily set up the scorers around him. Doesn't need to be a guard. Ideally I'd love to have a point power forward. But this is going to be contingent on the duo getting their shot first and getting to go through the growing pains to see how they come out the other side. This is the prime reason I want Kemba to be the first domino to fall and why I'd be very hesitant to send out either Langford, a possible combo guard option, or Nesmith, a possible sharpshooter, while the Jays still need the space to figure out where they belong.

[Feed Your Head]

But its not like Kemba's play so far this year has bumped up his value from the summer.

He's getting better.

What's important is he's healthy.

Eventually he will shake off the rust.

Okay, let’s play a little game.

If you believe what you just posted, why do you want to trade him?

[zoyathedestroya]

I gotta say, if there was a mod rankings for derailing threads, I’d come in first.

Just be thankful they've stopped offering me a mod spot. I think we're all better for it lol.

[Celts17Pride]

No, they would not lol. They didn’t want Kemba for Jrue in the summer, and they certainly don’t want Kemba now.

That was when Kemba was not healthy.

But if the Pels don't want to do a deal then Celts just move on.

But its not like Kemba's play so far this year has bumped up his value from the summer.

Kemba Walker has been playing pretty well. I personally believe a ton of teams would be interested in Kemba if he made $22-23 million per year. Kemba Walker at $37 million per year no team is interested including the Celtics

Maybe I’m wrong but that’s my opinion

[31to6]

If The Comedian and MagicBagley18 were included in a trade package for Bradley Beal that would be so cruel.

Gotta give something if you wanna get something.

(Or gotta gif something if you wanna gif something? I don’t know get a gif room, comedian and reload crikey)

[Duke4life831]

Guess it will depend on what draft picks the Celts will be offering.

But if the Pels think Lonzo is part of their future then disregard the trade proposal because part of the reason of the trade is the Pels not wanting to give Lonzo big money.

In that situation, the Pels still end up paying big bucks to a PG though because Kemba still will have 2 years left after this season. And I think the Pels could get back a better return than just Kemba for primarily a veteran presence.

Again if Im the Celtics, I really like the idea of using Kemba to get Lonzo. I just think for any chance of this happening, a 3rd team would be needed to take on Kemba. I just dont see any reason the Pels would want him.

The Pels might be interested if the Celts offer 2 1st round picks.

Okay say its

Bos: Kemba, Semi, 2 1st round picks

Pels: Lonzo, Bledsoe, Gabriel

I added in Semi because he is an actual player the Pels could use since Ingram is only wing on the team.

Even with that on the table, the only way I see the Pels accepting it is if they had an under the table agreement with Kemba that he would not pickup his player option after next season.

But even then, thats not that appealing of a return for the Pels. It would be much smarter for the Pels to flip Lonzo with some of the draft picks they already have for a player that fits with Zion/Ingram, instead of flipping Lonzo for essentially 2 late 1st round picks.

Again I hate to sound like a broken record, I think it would be much easier and make a lot more sense to find a 3rd team that would take Kemba. Instead of trying to find ways for the Pels to take Kemba.

[reload141]

I gotta say, if there was a mod rankings for derailing threads, I’d come in first.

Still can’t believe they made you a mod.

What were they thinking?

[SMTBSI]

I'm still all-in on the Smart/Nesmith/Brown/Tatum/Timelord championship starting lineup. Won't give up on it until they're no longer all on the team. And probably not even then.

I like it. Do you think that Smart will be our Starting PG, of the future?
Nesmith, or Langford (if he ever gets back to playing).

I'm still a little nervous about Smart's longevity, with his wrecking-ball playstyle. But I'm really liking his PG play, and I think he gets better the fewer shots he needs to take, and I'm envisioning a future where Nesmith is basically a Klay Thompson level shooter, because why not, and Brown and Tatum are both offensive dynamos...

Basically I'm setting myself up for disappointment. But I don't care.

Also, because the GB would collapse into a neutron star of rage if we win a title with all Ainge draft picks. That alone makes it worth everything to me.