AOS Celtics Burned Again! ECF Game 3 Loss vs MIA 5/21 (MIA leads 3-0)

big-shot-ROB · Post #361 » by **big-shot-ROB** » Mon May 22, 2023 12:54 pm

I'm fine with a Xs and Os coach like Brad. And I'm fine with a tough coach like Udoka.

The problem is Mazz is supposed to be a X/Os and he sucks at that.

Let's get someone like Udoka back. It's clear this team needs to be disciplined and held accountable.

We do not lack talent.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #362 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Mon May 22, 2023 12:57 pm

Bostondave wrote:A good coach. And I mean a really good coach, I think could solve most of these problems that I've seen stretching back years now.

I thought Brad was a really good coach and Ime was turning into a good coach and this team is having the same exact issues with the third coach.

Joe clearly wasn't the guy to change this team and I have to wonder who out there is

Bostondave · Post #363 » by **Bostondave** » Mon May 22, 2023 12:58 pm

The Corey's wrote:
Bostondave wrote:I'm a Celtics fan to the core and will always watch and root for them but these are bad indicators that need real fixing. There's some internal bleeding that needs fixing. Far as I can see this is over for now. Time to try to fix whats broken with this team. Rookie GM, Rookie Coach, young players (who're actually veterans now) simply is not working. I'm championship driven.

Stevens isn't a rookie GM. Not only is he not a rookie, he's actually been really good since he took over. He's made all the right moves.

However, as I said above. If he's gonna double down on Muzzuka then he has to hitch his ride to this wagon, for better or worse.

Stevens doesn't get to hire 3 head coaches.

If he keeps little Joe and next year is the same as this year then you have to clean house. New GM, new head coach, new philosophy.

YEah my bad. Stevens isn't a rookie. He's just pretty close to a rookie. He was made president in '21, this is '23. He made a bad call with this coach, not sure how many others behind the scenes but you gotta think there's been a few.

Bostondave · Post #364 » by **Bostondave** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:00 pm

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:
Bostondave wrote:A good coach. And I mean a really good coach, I think could solve most of these problems that I've seen stretching back years now.

I thought Brad was a really good coach and Ime was turning into a good coach and this team is having the same exact issues with the third coach.

Joe clearly wasn't the guy to change this team and I have to wonder who out there is

I'll give it to Brad he had his teams playing hard. Udoka couldn't figure things out. And this guy is just lost.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #365 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:06 pm

Imagine if they played this team round one?

philing00 · Post #366 » by **philing00** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:08 pm

We can’t win a game against the Heat that has no Herro or Dipo, how pathetic.
We played soft teams in Atlanta and 76ers that don’t generate turnovers. Now we can’t adjust, turn the ball over, **** our pants.
Sure the Heat shot the lights out, but we couldn’t stop any drives either.
Only good thing was we finally doubled Jimmy. But if he gets the pass off we’re deadmeat because our rotations are so poor.
On offense, we had success passing the ball on the inside. Why didn’t we do it earlier in the series and we still kept jacking up 3s when everyone was ice cold apart from White.
Positives are Rob, Grant , and White. White was the only one moving without the ball to get open looks. The other starters were trash.
Maybe we should play the all white boys team (inc Derek). There was more ball movement in garbage time than the rest of the game.
Stars don’t win championships if teamwork isn’t there, Anyone who can’t make a pass needs to play offball ie Brown, brog. The Heat take away their drives because they don’t respect their passing ability.
Brown slipping and sliding on defense and with the ball, what is wrong with his feet? Get rid of him. I think we can win as much without him as teamwork will improve.

The Corey's · Post #367 » by **The Corey's** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:14 pm

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:Imagine if they played this team round one?

Even Atlanta beat this **** team.

When you don't have a offensive identity other than to chuck 60 threes, this is what happens. Your efficiency takes a nosedive.

Celts17Pride · Post #368 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:14 pm

Miami is averaging 121 ppg against the Celtics in this series on 52% shooting and 48% three point shooting.

Celtics can't get stops. That's the problem!

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #369 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:18 pm

The Corey's wrote:
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:Imagine if they played this team round one?

Even Atlanta beat this **** team.

When you don't have a offensive identity other than to chuck 60 threes, this is what happens. Your efficiency takes a nosedive.

Yeah it's definitely embarrassing. They do have an identity: they're a soft offensive team that jacks up threes. Once in awhile they'll go off like they did against Philly but in most cases we're watching the results of a soft 3-point shooting team

Larry_Russell · Post #370 » by **Larry_Russell** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:18 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Miami is averaging 121 ppg against the Celtics in this series on 52% shooting and 48% three point shooting.

Celtics can't get stops. That's the problem!

And cant run a sound offense

And that is on coach

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #371 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:20 pm

Honestly this team is so bad right if I was Spo I would start Haslem and see if he could drop 20.

Larry_Russell · Post #372 » by **Larry_Russell** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:20 pm

Bar Fight wrote:I'm not even joking when I say I would fire Joe before Game 4. He's been awful all postseason, and is now on the podium admitting to having lost the locker room. How on Earth can this dude show up to work tomorrow to get these guys ready for Game 4?

Been calling for the exact same thing.

Let the world know we are serious. Fire Joe TODAY

philing00 · Post #373 » by **philing00** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:21 pm

GrandTheftRondo wrote:
rate_ wrote:
batabatuta wrote:If you're trading Brown, Trade Tatum while you're at it. He will never win a ring with his mentality. His biggest weakness is he tries so hard to be Kobe he lost his identity and that's why he's lost when the lights get bigger because he don't know who he is. It's ok if he is your 2nd or 3rd option but as you're 1st, nah. The 1st option needs to be clutch and a closer. He will never be that.

Tatum proved it in the Philly series he can be clutch/closer, but against the elite of elite teams it's a different story.

We are using him completely wrong.

Far too many catches out deep on the perimeter where nobody is really dangerous unless their name is Steph.

He should be getting some catches in the low post, mid post and on the move cutting across the mid range.

He’s longer than anyone who guards him and you’ll force teams to send help leaving others open in dangerous areas.

It’s so bloody obvious and yet coach and players don’t do it. Jaylen has deadly midrange, White with his floater. Less dribbling, less turnovers. They did a bit to start this game but then they started jacking up 3s when they got behind, albeit most were good looks. Only problem was everyone apart from White was ice cold.

zoyathedestroya · Post #374 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:27 pm

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:Imagine if they played this team round one?

Might’ve been better off that way. Even with an ECf sweep, I don’t think they’ll feel any urgency to make major changes. Unless pressure comes from JB or JT.

philing00 · Post #375 » by **philing00** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:28 pm

GrandTheftRondo wrote:
ThePigeon wrote:
GrandTheftRondo wrote:I agree the coach needs to coach better.

But beating a zone isn’t that complicated.

If Brown and Tatum still don’t understand 3 years after the bubble that dribbling into trouble and hoisting contested 3s isn’t the answer then I’m not sure they ever will.

Move the ball, cut, find the open man.

Moving is not part of our offense
5 out - 4 guys standing on the 3pt line, 1 dribbling, eventually someone will take a 3 (in the playoff - a contested 3)

As much as I hate MIA - they are playing great. Moving the ball, cutting (Duncan got 3 layups by just cutting at the right time), getting open looks. When they are stuck they play 1-2 Butler and Bam. We can't stop them at all
The effort on the defense and our dumb offense lead to TO and fast break point. Easy
Other part of their offense is constant pressure - when we miss they just blitz to the other side, which makes our defense scramble. Easy

Which is partly on coaching for sure.

But there’s no reason why Tatum and Brown shouldn’t be able to get to the middle and generate wide open looks for others completely neutralising the zone and allowing the offence to exploit any man defence they revert to.

We saw in game 1 the Celtics just abuse their bad defenders. Spo changed things up towards the end and the Celtics have never made them pay since.

Zone is a gimmicky defence that any elite team should be able to beat fairly easily.

Especially these days with all the shooting that the NBA has.

We cant destroy the zone because our top players are stupid. That’s why we are where we are. No teamwork. I would make the team watch the first 20 games of our season, before game 4 to remember how to play

druggas · Post #376 » by **druggas** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:35 pm

1-Center position is weak. One's too old and one's too hurt.
2-Point guard has to run the offense and put people in the right position. Failure there too.
3-Coach has to have the respect from his players. Another failure.
4-Front office needs to address 1,2,&3. Front office needs to MAKE Changes to 1,2,&3.
5-Time is still on Celts side, but chances don't come along every season. Don't waste them.

jonige94 · Post #377 » by **jonige94** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:36 pm

Stevens can do whatever he wants, he probably couldnt care less if he gets fired or not, he'll probably end up back in the NBA as a coach or get a sweet gig at a college.

GrandTheftRondo · Post #378 » by **GrandTheftRondo** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:47 pm

The Corey's wrote:
Bostondave wrote:I'm a Celtics fan to the core and will always watch and root for them but these are bad indicators that need real fixing. There's some internal bleeding that needs fixing. Far as I can see this is over for now. Time to try to fix whats broken with this team. Rookie GM, Rookie Coach, young players (who're actually veterans now) simply is not working. I'm championship driven.

Stevens isn't a rookie GM. Not only is he not a rookie, he's actually been really good since he took over. He's made all the right moves.

However, as I said above. If he's gonna double down on Muzzuka then he has to hitch his ride to this wagon, for better or worse.

Stevens doesn't get to hire 3 head coaches.

If he keeps little Joe and next year is the same as this year then you have to clean house. New GM, new head coach, new philosophy.

To be fair to Brad, he wasn’t left with much to work with when the Ime stuff dropped.

Sure signing Mazzulla to a longer deal now looks very questionable.

But I also wonder if there was a bit of ownership pressure involved. Cash in on a bit of a feel good story after the Ime mess.

return2glory · Post #379 » by **return2glory** » Mon May 22, 2023 1:57 pm

Tatum and Brown combined to go 12-35 from the field, 1-14 from 3 and had 4 assists to 6 TOs.

zoyathedestroya · Post #380 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon May 22, 2023 2:08 pm

Celtics may have the better individual players in terms of raw talent but they don’t have the better team. This was kinda true (outside of Curry) in last year’s Finals as well. The team that maximizes their available talent and makes them all fit wins. Until game 3, I didn’t think effort was an issue with the team. It’s cohesion and discipline.

What was most Ass-of-Shameful?