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Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#381 » by Parliament10 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:32 pm

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ConstableGeneva wrote:Bring this man back, w/ or w/o Wanamaker, whose name sounds like Banner Maker.


I only watched half the clip and have seen enough. max!!!!!!!


If Marcus learned to shoot he would be a max player imo.
i cannot recall anyone since Rodman who could have such a massive impact on a game while shooting so poorly

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#382 » by Zaschrona » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:45 pm

Honestly, I think Smart is either gone or stays on a qualifying offer. We likely want to stay under the tax for one extra year. We likely re-sign Baynes via non-Bird rights, waive Nader, sign Bird for a min contract exception... Then the option to stay under the tax is either via keeping Smart on a qualifying offer or replacing him with a player via tax-payer MLE. Or an unlikely scenario is signing him on a contract that starts around 11M - but then we would have to trade out Morris for cap space, after that we just sign a ring chaser on a min contract. All in all I think the most likely scenario is that we replace Smart with a player on MLE contract. Maybe the comeback of Avery Bradley? Lance Stephenson? Will Barton? Mario Hezonja?
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#383 » by DarkAzcura » Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:25 am

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Scoonie wrote:He only went to Oklahoma St. for two years, there's no way he graduated.


Quite a few players go back to college in the summer. Why would you think he is lying about this, lol.


I've never heard of anybody (especially a D1 athlete) graduating in two years. Quite a few guys go to school full-time in the summer, and those guys often graduate in three years, not two.

Not a big deal either way. He probably meant that he was the first person in his family to attend college.



??? He completed two years before he entered the NBA and has had the past 4 years to complete another 2 years of coursework. I don’t know why you keep bringing up him completing college in 2 years. Who is saying this?
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#384 » by reload141 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:47 am

Zaschrona wrote:Honestly, I think Smart is either gone or stays on a qualifying offer. We likely want to stay under the tax for one extra year. We likely re-sign Baynes via non-Bird rights, waive Nader, sign Bird for a min contract exception... Then the option to stay under the tax is either via keeping Smart on a qualifying offer or replacing him with a player via tax-payer MLE. Or an unlikely scenario is signing him on a contract that starts around 11M - but then we would have to trade out Morris for cap space, after that we just sign a ring chaser on a min contract. All in all I think the most likely scenario is that we replace Smart with a player on MLE contract. Maybe the comeback of Avery Bradley? Lance Stephenson? Will Barton? Mario Hezonja?


Yeah, given how much he's asking for.... which we aren't going to give him. He might just take the QO and try again next year to get that big contract.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#385 » by mbsnmisc » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:24 pm

You can't "Moneyball" an NBA team. Baseball? sure, go out and find market inequalities. Basketball is not always about numbers. It is about guys that make winning plays. It is about teammates that believe in each other and fight for every possession. Marcus Smart brings something to this team that works. We win more with him.

We like to worship at the altar of Brad. CBS plays Smart in closing lineups, he helps us win. I understand the tax implications, but we have until the end of the season to address that situation, I will be surprised if 36 is not a Celtic in 2018-19.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#386 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:29 pm

If the Celtics sign Marcus Smart to a multiyear deal at $10-14 million per year it just means he becomes instant trade fodder for a mega deal like Leonard.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#387 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:35 pm

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Zaschrona wrote:Honestly, I think Smart is either gone or stays on a qualifying offer. We likely want to stay under the tax for one extra year. We likely re-sign Baynes via non-Bird rights, waive Nader, sign Bird for a min contract exception... Then the option to stay under the tax is either via keeping Smart on a qualifying offer or replacing him with a player via tax-payer MLE. Or an unlikely scenario is signing him on a contract that starts around 11M - but then we would have to trade out Morris for cap space, after that we just sign a ring chaser on a min contract. All in all I think the most likely scenario is that we replace Smart with a player on MLE contract. Maybe the comeback of Avery Bradley? Lance Stephenson? Will Barton? Mario Hezonja?


Yeah, given how much he's asking for.... which we aren't going to give him. He might just take the QO and try again next year to get that big contract.


If Smart goes for the QO, are the Cs likely to do an early extension with Rozier? (I haven't checked the cap rules as to whether that would then preclude him from being traded.)
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#388 » by 2Mas » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:27 pm

mbsnmisc wrote:You can't "Moneyball" an NBA team. Baseball? sure, go out and find market inequalities. Basketball is not always about numbers. It is about guys that make winning plays. It is about teammates that believe in each other and fight for every possession. Marcus Smart brings something to this team that works. We win more with him.

We like to worship at the altar of Brad. CBS plays Smart in closing lineups, he helps us win. I understand the tax implications, but we have until the end of the season to address that situation, I will be surprised if 36 is not a Celtic in 2018-19.

I'm with you on this. Can't moneyball NBA. Esp the top of the pyramid.

I want Marcus back. I don't wanna pay $12mil for him, but I do want him back. I'd rather him than Rozier.

That being said. He better not be a closer for us anymore. We don't need anymore **** it 3's attempts. Our closing lineup is gonna be 5 all stars. Irving, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Horford. That balance, versatility, shooting, iq, defense is amazing.

I want Smart back, but he needs to hone it in a little bit. & I mean Brad needs to make that leash a little tighter on him. 24-26mpg. Balls out play. I don't need to see him 30+ mins with the talent on our team. Need like 6fga's 2.5 3's a game. It's clear he's not developing to this different type of player. Let him be a steroid rich mans Tony Allen. Still an awesome player.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#389 » by sully00 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:58 pm

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Zaschrona wrote:Honestly, I think Smart is either gone or stays on a qualifying offer. We likely want to stay under the tax for one extra year. We likely re-sign Baynes via non-Bird rights, waive Nader, sign Bird for a min contract exception... Then the option to stay under the tax is either via keeping Smart on a qualifying offer or replacing him with a player via tax-payer MLE. Or an unlikely scenario is signing him on a contract that starts around 11M - but then we would have to trade out Morris for cap space, after that we just sign a ring chaser on a min contract. All in all I think the most likely scenario is that we replace Smart with a player on MLE contract. Maybe the comeback of Avery Bradley? Lance Stephenson? Will Barton? Mario Hezonja?


Yeah, given how much he's asking for.... which we aren't going to give him. He might just take the QO and try again next year to get that big contract.


If Smart goes for the QO, are the Cs likely to do an early extension with Rozier? (I haven't checked the cap rules as to whether that would then preclude him from being traded.)


I think Marcus leaving all together would open the opportunity for extending Rozier early. I think having Marcus here on the QO and then Rozier getting a 4 or 5 year extension is definitely going to cause a problem as they are competing for the same bench mins.

Extending Rozier complicates trading the player as the sending team uses his rookie scale salary and the receiving team has to be able to absorb the avg of the annual salaries and the last rookie scale year.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#390 » by brackdan70 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:04 pm

klemen4 wrote:Smart will not get more than mle 8+ million offer!!!

He probably take QO imo

You really think? I would really expect offers of the full mid level. And I would think the Cs would put on offer on the table as well
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#391 » by Romeiro Celtic » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:17 pm

The Dallas Mavericks are expected to pursue Marcus Smart in restricted free agency.

Smart grew up in Dallas.

The Boston Celtics and Smart were unable to agree upon an extension last October.

"To be honest, I'm worth more than $12 to $14 million," Smart told ESPN. "Just for the things I do on the court that don't show up on the stat sheet. You don't find guys like that. I always leave everything on the court, every game. Tell me how many other players can say that."on how he impacts games in ways that go beyond the box score.''

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Dallas is likely going to offer him a bigger money than we're actually intended to, so this could mean goodbye for Mr. Smart.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#392 » by Scoonie » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:29 pm

Romeiro Celtic wrote:Dallas is likely going to offer him a bigger money than we're actually intended to, so this could mean goodbye for Mr. Smart.


We'll see. Rumor is that Dallas might be trading for Deandre Jordan (who opts in to his current Clippers contract), who would be making $24 million next season. Scal and Frank Isola were talking about this on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.

Not sure how much cap space Dallas will actually have.
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Post#393 » by sully00 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:50 pm

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klemen4 wrote:Smart will not get more than mle 8+ million offer!!!

He probably take QO imo

You really think? I would really expect offers of the full mid level. And I would think the Cs would put on offer on the table as well


That is 8.8 mil I believe. Teams can't move money anymore and so as teams are stuck with buyers remorse I think that team's will be very cautious with giving out crazy contracts to steal away RFA's. I think owners can handle 36 mil dollar mistakes they are going to be really unhappy about 70-90 mil mistakes.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#394 » by BruceBanner18 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:57 pm

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The Dallas Mavericks are expected to pursue Marcus Smart in restricted free agency.

Smart grew up in Dallas.

The Boston Celtics and Smart were unable to agree upon an extension last October.

"To be honest, I'm worth more than $12 to $14 million," Smart told ESPN. "Just for the things I do on the court that don't show up on the stat sheet. You don't find guys like that. I always leave everything on the court, every game. Tell me how many other players can say that."on how he impacts games in ways that go beyond the box score.''

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Dallas is likely going to offer him a bigger money than we're actually intended to, so this could mean goodbye for Mr. Smart.


His self valuation is what will result in his taking the QO. He has a better chance at the $18-20 mil he thinks he's worth in the FA market next summer. He's quoting 12-14 mil because that are the offers he is expecting. His agent knows this and I would guess they are not expecting any offer sheets in Marcus' target range this summer. This is likely why Smart himself said he hasn't thought much about his impending restricted free agency. JMHO.
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Post#395 » by sully00 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:08 pm

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The Dallas Mavericks are expected to pursue Marcus Smart in restricted free agency.

Smart grew up in Dallas.

The Boston Celtics and Smart were unable to agree upon an extension last October.

"To be honest, I'm worth more than $12 to $14 million," Smart told ESPN. "Just for the things I do on the court that don't show up on the stat sheet. You don't find guys like that. I always leave everything on the court, every game. Tell me how many other players can say that."on how he impacts games in ways that go beyond the box score.''

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Dallas is likely going to offer him a bigger money than we're actually intended to, so this could mean goodbye for Mr. Smart.


The part missing from that story was when Dallas was asked about Smart they said “depends on [the] price.” It is now being reported they are probably out after the draft because of Doncic and Brunson.

The other 3 teams CHI, IND, and PHX are what to look for. I am not seeing CHI as he would seem to be a bench piece for them with Dunn and Lavine and as much as I have a hard time understanding throwing huge money at Smart at all the idea of doing it for him to be a part time player is really crazy.

The Suns are the most interesting team because they have the need and the money. With Ayton and Jackson they have enough time to overpay Smart and with Booker enough offense to put up with his scoring allergy.
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Post#396 » by AzogTheDefilier » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:13 pm

I agree on the Suns and he brings a culture of grind and winning. The Suns will be a fun team to watch in the near future. Like the KJ led teams.
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Post#397 » by Parliament10 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:55 pm

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#398 » by amory87 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:47 pm

Personally I don't see him signing a qualifying offer. He's had plenty of time to establish his market value, and if we're healthy next year he's looking at reduced minutes.

With the way he plays he's more likely to get hurt and ruin his shot at significant money than he is to have a career year and get a bigger payday. He saw firsthand what happened to IT.
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Post#399 » by claycarver » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:02 pm

sully00 wrote:The Suns are the most interesting team because they have the need and the money. With Ayton and Jackson they have enough time to overpay Smart and with Booker enough offense to put up with his scoring allergy.


The Suns will have about $18 to $20 to spend but they want to use that money to sign a point guard and a power forward. I doubt they'll have enough to get Smart to that $14 he's looking for if the sign 2 free agents.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#400 » by threrf23 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:58 pm

I think the Celtics will offer him a larger one year deal before they let him accept the QO. It is better for him and would give us more flexibility to match salary in a trade.

If the Mavs strike out at marquee free agents, I could see them offering generous deals to both Marcus & Aron Baynes.

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