Gordon Hayward Thread

[tfribs45]

Hayward needs to come off the bench til gets right.

Disagree only because I think the playoff starting 5 needs as much time together as possible. Couldn't care less about wins and losses atm

I don’t see Gordon being a playoff starting five piece. We’re soft as fk with him in their.

[return2glory]

I'd start Hayward - bench Tatum. Both Tatum and Hayward take too many bad mid-range shots. But Hayward is a smart passer and a sharp player overall. I don't feel our flow is right with Tatum out there. He has become something of a ball stopper and because of this guys are less willing to get him involved. This means he compensates by becoming more of a ball stopper..

If you want to bench Tatum, then I would send Brown to the G league.

[return2glory]

Hayward needs to come off the bench til gets right.

Disagree only because I think the playoff starting 5 needs as much time together as possible. Couldn't care less about wins and losses atm

I don’t see Gordon being a playoff starting five piece. We’re soft as fk with him in their.

He won’t be playing like this come playoff time. And if he does, I agree he shouldn’t be starting. But come playoff time, we will see a much different player.

I still think our best starting 5 for now is:

Irving, Rozier, Tatum, Morris, Horford.

Or

Irving, Tatum, Morris, Theis, Horford. The only things with twice was it took him a couple of weeks to shake off the rust and then he got hurt again. Sinit might take him another week or 2.

[CelticsPride18]

Hayward needs to come off the bench til gets right.

Disagree only because I think the playoff starting 5 needs as much time together as possible. Couldn't care less about wins and losses atm

I don’t see Gordon being a playoff starting five piece. We’re soft as fk with him in their.

Yeah the dude that was dropping 24-6-4 in the 2017 playoffs is not playoff starter. I know he’s hurt but when he’s healthy he’s really good.

[chrisab123]

Met him and Smart tonight got their autos on my Kyrie ball. Both were pretty nice. Rooting for him to find his stroke.

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Disagree only because I think the playoff starting 5 needs as much time together as possible. Couldn't care less about wins and losses atm

I don’t see Gordon being a playoff starting five piece. We’re soft as fk with him in their.

He won’t be playing like this come playoff time. And if he does, I agree he shouldn’t be starting. But come playoff time, we will see a much different player.

I still think our best starting 5 for now is:

Irving, Rozier, Tatum, Morris, Horford.

Or

Irving, Tatum, Morris, Theis, Horford. The only things with twice was it took him a couple of weeks to shake off the rust and then he got hurt again. Sinit might take him another week or 2.

I root for Rozier, but I am thinking KI, JT, AH, MS and DT might make for the strongest starting 5 right now. Gotta keep the D up despite Kyrie being in there.

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Ha ha--Hayward claims that him getting more than 30 minutes a night will help not only him, but his teammates too:

https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sports/20181113/slow-starts-nothing-new-for-boston-celtics-under-coach-brad-stevens

[JHTruth]

I don’t see Gordon being a playoff starting five piece. We’re soft as fk with him in their.

He won’t be playing like this come playoff time. And if he does, I agree he shouldn’t be starting. But come playoff time, we will see a much different player.

I still think our best starting 5 for now is:

Irving, Rozier, Tatum, Morris, Horford.

Or

Irving, Tatum, Morris, Theis, Horford. The only things with twice was it took him a couple of weeks to shake off the rust and then he got hurt again. Sinit might take him another week or 2.

I root for Rozier, but I am thinking KI, JT, AH, MS and DT might make for the strongest starting 5 right now. Gotta keep the D up despite Kyrie being in there.

Our most effective unit +/- wise this year is TR-MS-JT-MM-DT if you can believe it.

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He won’t be playing like this come playoff time. And if he does, I agree he shouldn’t be starting. But come playoff time, we will see a much different player.

I still think our best starting 5 for now is:

Irving, Rozier, Tatum, Morris, Horford.

Or

Irving, Tatum, Morris, Theis, Horford. The only things with twice was it took him a couple of weeks to shake off the rust and then he got hurt again. Sinit might take him another week or 2.

I root for Rozier, but I am thinking KI, JT, AH, MS and DT might make for the strongest starting 5 right now. Gotta keep the D up despite Kyrie being in there.

Our most effective unit +/- wise this year is TR-MS-JT-MM-DT if you can believe it.

Right. Though of course they've been playing more second units, they've still likely been better than the first string. It's no wonder we heard so much of the them (minus JT) winning the scrimmages in training camp, when Kyrie and Gordon where presumably struggling even more. I'm thinking one of the Marcuses in for Jaylen will likely be Brad's first tweak on the starters.

[tfribs45]

Disagree only because I think the playoff starting 5 needs as much time together as possible. Couldn't care less about wins and losses atm

I don’t see Gordon being a playoff starting five piece. We’re soft as fk with him in their.

Yeah the dude that was dropping 24-6-4 in the 2017 playoffs is not playoff starter. I know he’s hurt but when he’s healthy he’s really good.

have you ever had a major surgery? An ACL return isn't guaranteed, let alone Haywards fracture....Hope I'm wrong, but we may never see the Utah Jazz Hayward again my friend

[Dannyboy36]

Ha ha--Hayward claims that him getting more than 30 minutes a night will help not only him, but his teammates too:

https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sports/20181113/slow-starts-nothing-new-for-boston-celtics-under-coach-brad-stevens

Ha. These guys are unbelievable. Yeah, I’m sure his teammates are nodding their heads in agreement to that statement.

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I don’t see Gordon being a playoff starting five piece. We’re soft as fk with him in their.

Yeah the dude that was dropping 24-6-4 in the 2017 playoffs is not playoff starter. I know he’s hurt but when he’s healthy he’s really good.

have you ever had a major surgery? An ACL return isn't guaranteed, let alone Haywards fracture....Hope I'm wrong, but we may never see the Utah Jazz Hayward again my friend

He'll be 29 in March, past peak playing age even without the injury and year lost.

[cloverleaf]

Ha ha--Hayward claims that him getting more than 30 minutes a night will help not only him, but his teammates too:

https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sports/20181113/slow-starts-nothing-new-for-boston-celtics-under-coach-brad-stevens

Ha. These guys are unbelievable. Yeah, I’m sure his teammates are nodding their heads in agreement to that statement.

I really think that if Brad were to do and stick with that, as well as keeping Jaylen in as a starter if he doesn't improve, Brad would be at risk of losing the team to some degree. The starters, feeling too complacent, and the bench, like no matter how well they play they won't get a fair shake -- maybe even the more with Brad's relationship to Gordon.

We've heard Brad start to talk about possible changes, though couched in terms of getting the right playing combinations together--and I really think that's what he's going to have to do. Unless, of course he manages to hold on until this long stretch of weak teams they face and the starters manage to deliver for that, at least.

[chrisab123]

Ha ha--Hayward claims that him getting more than 30 minutes a night will help not only him, but his teammates too:

https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sports/20181113/slow-starts-nothing-new-for-boston-celtics-under-coach-brad-stevens

Ha. These guys are unbelievable. Yeah, I’m sure his teammates are nodding their heads in agreement to that statement.

I really think that if Brad were to do and stick with that, as well as keeping Jaylen in as a starter if he doesn't improve, Brad would be at risk of losing the team to some degree. The starters, feeling too complacent, and the bench, like no matter how well they play they won't get a fair shake -- maybe even the more with Brad's relationship to Gordon.

We've heard Brad start to talk about possible changes, though couched in terms of getting the right playing combinations together--and I really think that's what he's going to have to do. Unless, of course he manages to hold on until this long stretch of weak teams they face and the starters manage to deliver for that, at least.

I dont believe is in any danger of losing the team. Now the one thing to remember is that Hayward is coming back from injury and is going to look rusty first half of the season so it makes sense to put him on the bench. However if they really want to run the same starting 5 out there then it will probably work too. Just will take more time. The easiest solution is put him with the 2nd unit until January and Baynes/Mook in the lineup.

[JHTruth]

I root for Rozier, but I am thinking KI, JT, AH, MS and DT might make for the strongest starting 5 right now. Gotta keep the D up despite Kyrie being in there.

Our most effective unit +/- wise this year is TR-MS-JT-MM-DT if you can believe it.

Right. Though of course they've been playing more second units, they've still likely been better than the first string. It's no wonder we heard so much of the them (minus JT) winning the scrimmages in training camp, when Kyrie and Gordon where presumably struggling even more. I'm thinking one of the Marcuses in for Jaylen will likely be Brad's first tweak on the starters.

The current starting lineup is abysmal. It sucks but that's the way it is. Out of the 15 units in the league that have played more than 100 mins together they are dead last in offensive efficiency at 89 pts per 100 possessions. Just zero chemistry..

[colaroaster]

gordon's running the floor fine im happy with 15/5 on a player recovering from major foot injury - ppl worried about one of the best shooters in the league finding his shot? haha!!

[Andrew McCeltic]

Hayward’s shot is ok - he’s compensating well for his lost lift. His passing and offensive awareness are good. He’s just a defensive liability right now, and as a scorer he’s mostly a spot shooter. He can’t finish at the rim, and that limits his offensive impact substantially. He needs time.

[return2glory]

gordon's running the floor fine im happy with 15/5 on a player recovering from major foot injury - ppl worried about one of the best shooters in the league finding his shot? haha!!

He is playing like he is in slow motion. Like a few others have said, Hayward is playing like it’s warm ups.

There was nothing wrong with bringing him back slowly off the bench. Hayward’s weakness's wouldn’t look as bad if he has strong starters with him.

Brown is playing poorly. Horford is not shooting well. Irving and Tatum are the only ones playing decent out there from the starting unit.

Our starting 5 right now is weak. You have two hungry guys in Morris and Rozier who should be starting for now until Hayward starts playing closer to his level. Brown is another story right now.

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gordon's running the floor fine im happy with 15/5 on a player recovering from major foot injury - ppl worried about one of the best shooters in the league finding his shot? haha!!

He is playing like he is in slow motion. Like a few others have said, Hayward is playing like it’s warm ups.

There was nothing wrong with bringing him back slowly off the bench. Hayward’s weakness's wouldn’t look as bad if he has strong starters with him.

Brown is playing poorly. Horford is not shooting well. Irving and Tatum are the only ones playing decent out there from the starting unit.

Our starting 5 right now is weak. You have two hungry guys in Morris and Rozier who should be starting for now until Hayward starts playing closer to his level. Brown is another story right now.

I agree with you re: Tatum and Irving. Would leave Horford in there too despite his struggles. And Morris and Rozier are deserving, but for filling out the starting lineup, I'd go with Smart and Theis.

[GuyClinch]

If the C's want to win a championship this year - Hayward has to progress to be better then he was in Utah. Or we have to move assets for a guy like Davis. So it only makes sense to sink or swim with Hayward. I don't see him being benched despite mediocre play..

What concerns me is how deliberate he looks out there - just doesn't seem to have that 'second gear'. Hayward needs to start shooting lights out if we want to make it deep in he playoffs again..