Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt. 10: Free Agency is in Free Flow

Andrew McCeltic · Post #381 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:51 am

I could see Portland and Denver having interest in Hayward.. they have interesting pieces to mix and match - we’d need to give up Yabu, maybe Ojeleye, RobW, cut Wanamaker to have roster spots to take back good value - or there are three-team possibilities..

Jacobkowal · Post #382 » by **Jacobkowal** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:59 am

What is the point in trading Hayward?

We have a need for playmakers and his value is at an all time low.

I think he is going to have comeback session. Ainge said he has been in the training facility the most.

klemen4 · Post #383 » by **klemen4** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:09 am

Do not want Westbrook even if we got him for cheap (in a 3 way Hayward trade). Chucker and stat padder, no thanks.

reload141 · Post #384 » by **reload141** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:15 am

Bohemian wrote:
reload141 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Think I would rather gamble on Hayward returning to form rather than move him for Capela. Team is dangerously low on playmaking as is. Losing Horford really hurt in that aspect as well. Hayward, Kemba and Smart are really all they have for the moment

FYI - I think Hayward is the most likely to be moved still, heard a rumour of it still happening but I honestly have no idea what it would be for.

Could you specify on that? I really doubt we move him. As I have said several times, I firmly believe this is Gordon´s year and he is going to return to his level. In any case, even if he is at his 80% he helps the team more than Westbrook and he will opt out of his deal in which case we can sign him to a much more friendly deal next summer. Please Danny, don´t deal Hayward.

At this point it's all mental for Gordon....actually just over the midway mark of the season he was 100% so it's all mental, there is a little doubt that he could get back to his level and while they are hopeful he will return to Jazz-Hayward, they are listening to offers and seeing what's out there.

They wouldn't be doing their jobs properly if they weren't testing the market anyway on pretty much everyone and listening to all offers.

soxfan2003 · Post #385 » by **soxfan2003** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:40 am

Things have to be evaluated the first half of next year to see where the team is at but logically I don't think Tatum and Hayward should be on the same team past this upcoming season. Both are SF's and both deserve to start at that position. If one of them is not gone by trading deadline, I suspect Hayward walks at the end of the season if he has good year and can command something like even 3/75 as a FA.

One can make the argument that if the Celtics truly believe in Hayward being a good to very good player for 2-3 years that perhaps they should try and make a Tatum deal with Toronto before next years trading deadline. First you trade Tatum and a crappy pick for Siakam and VanVleet. Then, Marc Gasol agrees to a buyout and joins the Celtics. You could try and trade Hayward instead but I doubt Toronto trades Siakam/Gasol for Hayward without the Celtics overpaying in terms of draft picks.

What does Toronto get out of this, a chance to kind of rebuild with the younger player with one more year until RFA and a chance to stick it to the Clippers/Leonard if the Clippers come out of the west.

All of a sudden, this team is actually capable of perhaps making some noise with perhaps 1-2 more moderate upgrades to the bench

K Walker/VanVleet/Edwards(maybe he does to Toronto instead of a pick)
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Brown/maybe cheap SF from Toronto
Siakam/Grant Williams
Marc Gasol/Kanter

What is in it for Toronto? Tatum has two more years until he is a FA... He is also much younger than Siakam and probably a better fit with Giannis who may be a target of Toronto.

Yes, for Toronto kind of depressing to go from NBA champion to first round exit or lottery but Jayson Tatum is a pretty good young piece to start a rebuild.

It is risky for Boston but if Celtics don't go for it or sell assets, they are just treadmilling for another year. Langford alongside Theis and perhaps Memphis pick can be dealt off for a high impact player as well.

If Ainge/Celtics wanted a longer period of serious contention, they should have done their rebuild differently. They didn't and as a result a short window of contention or long window of treadmilling is the best this team is likely to do.

Floody100 · Post #386 » by **Floody100** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:15 am

soxfan2003 wrote:Things have to be evaluated the first half of next year to see where the team is at but logically I don't think Tatum and Hayward should be on the same team past this upcoming season. Both are SF's and both deserve to start at that position. If one of them is not gone by trading deadline, I suspect Hayward walks at the end of the season if he has good year and can command something like even 3/75 as a FA.

One can make the argument that if the Celtics truly believe in Hayward being a good to very good player for 2-3 years that perhaps they should try and make a Tatum deal with Toronto before next years trading deadline. First you trade Tatum and a crappy pick for Siakam and VanVleet. Then, Marc Gasol agrees to a buyout and joins the Celtics. You could try and trade Hayward instead but I doubt Toronto trades Siakam/Gasol for Hayward without the Celtics overpaying in terms of draft picks.

What does Toronto get out of this, a chance to kind of rebuild with the younger player with one more year until RFA and a chance to stick it to the Clippers/Leonard if the Clippers come out of the west.

All of a sudden, this team is actually capable of perhaps making some noise with perhaps 1-2 more moderate upgrades to the bench

K Walker/VanVleet/Edwards(maybe he does to Toronto instead of a pick)
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Brown/maybe cheap SF from Toronto
Siakam/Grant Williams
Marc Gasol/Kanter

What is in it for Toronto? Tatum has two more years until he is a FA... He is also much younger than Siakam and probably a better fit with Giannis who may be a target of Toronto.

Yes, for Toronto kind of depressing to go from NBA champion to first round exit or lottery but Jayson Tatum is a pretty good young piece to start a rebuild.

It is risky for Boston but if Celtics don't go for it or sell assets, they are just treadmilling for another year. Langford alongside Theis and perhaps Memphis pick can be dealt off for a high impact player as well.

If Ainge/Celtics wanted a longer period of serious contention, they should have done their rebuild differently. They didn't and as a result a short window of contention or long window of treadmilling is the best this team is likely to do.

You can’t be serious ? The message was pretty clear when we didn’t trade Tatum for AD lol

TheMartian · Post #387 » by **TheMartian** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:53 am

I'm not touching Westbrook with a 10-foot pole. Plus, trading Hayward would be a bad look for DA, despite it probably being a good move.

jfs1000d · Post #388 » by **jfs1000d** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:58 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Celtics_Champs wrote:Kyrie and Durant were both playing for playoff contenders when they decided halfway through the season they would leave.

Kawahi Leonard asked Paul George to demand a trade from a playoff team he liked to go play in sunshine.

I could care less about loyalty. It doesn’t exist anymore, on both sides.

And I don’t want to trade Gordo but if a better deal comes about, you do it.

But Brad is sensitive, if we break his heart he could go back to Butler.

Brad is not sensitive. Great coach.

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zoyathedestroya · Post #389 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:10 am

We're done with our offseason, yeah? Then reload casually drops a "I think Hayward is most likely to be moved still."

reload141 · Post #390 » by **reload141** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:13 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:We're done with our offseason, yeah? Then reload casually drops a "I think Hayward is most likely to be moved still."

I’d say by deadline, but that’s my personal gut feel that’s when it happens.

Post #391 » by **Froob** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:50 am

Hayward for Davis at the deadline. Decent get for the Lakers once Davis is leaving.

Speak AD leaving into existence.

Asian Celtic · Post #392 » by **Asian Celtic** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:56 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Celtics_Champs wrote:Kyrie and Durant were both playing for playoff contenders when they decided halfway through the season they would leave.

Kawahi Leonard asked Paul George to demand a trade from a playoff team he liked to go play in sunshine.

I could care less about loyalty. It doesn’t exist anymore, on both sides.

I don’t want to trade Gordo but if a better deal comes about, you do it.

But Brad is sensitive, if we break his heart he could go back to Butler.

Boston Celtics >>> Brad Stevens. We need to have our priorities straight.

zoyathedestroya · Post #393 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:59 am

I balanced our roster.

Kemba / Brown / Tatum / Gordon / Bamba
Smart / Fournier / Ojeleye / G.Williams / Kanter
Wanamaker / Edwards / Langford / Theis / Poirier

Why for Orlando? I don't know. They must love Westbrook that much. Plus they get best player in the deal -- Yabu.
Why for OKC? They shave $100M+ and 2 years off their financial obligation. They get the Milwaukee pick lol.

Floody100 · Post #394 » by **Floody100** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:25 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:I balanced our roster.

Kemba / Brown / Tatum / Gordon / Bamba
Smart / Fournier / Ojeleye / G.Williams / Kanter
Wanamaker / Edwards / Langford / Theis / Poirier

Why for Orlando? I don't know. They must love Westbrook that much. Plus they get best player in the deal -- Yabu.
Why for OKC? They shave $100M+ and 2 years off their financial obligation. They get the Milwaukee pick lol.

First three team trade I’ve actually liked, 4 guys in the starting lineup under the age of 23 too which builds our future.
Orlando have been irrelevant for years so wouldn’t surprise me if they went for a marquee player. They just signed a 29 year old Vuc too a long term deal which tells me they aren’t exactly rebuilding.

zoyathedestroya · Post #395 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:28 am

WHAT?! How is Aaron Gordon only 23??? It feels like he's been in the league forever.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #396 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:30 am

I was joking about Sensitive Stevens.. OKC isn't likely to pass up Gordon/Fournier/Bamba for Hayward - we could get Aaron Gordon, maybe, and shift Tatum to the 3.. if there were a way to get AG and Capela for Hayward that would be interesting.. The other possibility is to get James Harden for Brown/Tatum/Smart/picks.. Another deal I wouldn't do.

zoyathedestroya · Post #397 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:33 am

How are you guys taking my fake trade seriously? I thought it was ridiculous enough that I didn't need green font lol.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #398 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:35 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:How are you guys taking my fake trade seriously? I thought it was ridiculous enough that I didn't need green font lol.

I get so much **** for laying out hypothetical trade scenarios, maybe I've been seeing realistically all along..

zoyathedestroya · Post #399 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:38 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:How are you guys taking my fake trade seriously? I thought it was ridiculous enough that I didn't need green font lol.

I get so much **** for laying out hypothetical trade scenarios, maybe I've been seeing realistically all along..

I wouldn't rule it out, Andrew. Been crazy **** going on in the league past few years.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #400 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:44 am

Westbrook to MIA, Hayward, Herro, Dragic, Rob Williams, 1st to OKC, Adams and Winslow to BOS?