there is no rule that says we can't trade for Horford because he left via free agency, but there is a hold where recently signed players can't be traded. I think the offseason signings are dec 15th or something like that. Not like it matters, that contract is terrible and we have nothing to match it.
I'm pretty sure jirrit was playing along with the Haywood thing.
He's so used to seeing Hortfords that he just regularly answers the question lol
Not gonna comment on the whole post but you’re severely overrating Capela imo. He doesn’t have the b-ball iq to be a dpoy level player and he’s kinda mediocre as a switching big.
I think his defensive IQ can keep improving - that’s why I said “approaching DPOY” - but you have to explain to my dumb ears how he’s mediocre as a switching big - his capacity to switch is his stand-out quality..
Anyway I forgot the trade doesn’t work because Eric Gordon signed an extension
Well maybe I was being a bit hyperbolic but from what i’ve seen he was pretty good but not great as a switching big 2 years ago and he’s struggled ever since to regain that form. Maybe I’m weighing his performances against the warriors too much. Guess it comes down to me thinking he’s just fine. A good defensive center but not a real force. I think Robert Williams might be as good in a year from now, maybe 2. Wouldn’t give up any of our top guys for him.
Yeah, that seems like a fair judgment call - but even if he’s just a good defensive center, his lateral agility makes him unique as a good defensive lcenter.. I wouldn’t trade much for him, either - agree on keeping Williams - I was just thinking about possible Hayward deals that would be too good to turn down..
djFan71 wrote:Langford, Semi & Poirier for Aminu & Birch.
Aminu would add depth in the rotation with Theis & Timelord. Adding a mobile tall guy that can hit 3s and defend would be great. Birch is an upgrade over Poirier and he & Kanter could help against the big 5s of the world. Costs Langford which hurts, but with a slight upgrade in bigs this year, we could be legit contenders. Plus, you have Aminu's contract as trade ballast for the draft/summer. (For ex, Kanter/Aminu/picks gets you Myles Turner without losing Theis)
ORL gets out of Aminu's contract when he's been redundant from the start behind AG & Isaac. They get a high-end wing prospect, a wing defender and a downgrade at 3rd string center they can afford. If they both develop, a Fultz/Romeo backcourt could be great. Downside may be losing Slart to the ORL board, though.
Boston has made it clear to anyone who has asked that their core players are absolutely not available. That includes, sources said, both Hayward and Smart, players who have been floated as possible trade chips in the past.
Probably for the best. How many games have we had with Hayward, Brown and all the bigs healthy at the same time?
djFan71 wrote:Langford, Semi & Poirier for Aminu & Birch.
Aminu would add depth in the rotation with Theis & Timelord. Adding a mobile tall guy that can hit 3s and defend would be great. Birch is an upgrade over Poirier and he & Kanter could help against the big 5s of the world. Costs Langford which hurts, but with a slight upgrade in bigs this year, we could be legit contenders. Plus, you have Aminu's contract as trade ballast for the draft/summer. (For ex, Kanter/Aminu/picks gets you Myles Turner without losing Theis)
ORL gets out of Aminu's contract when he's been redundant from the start behind AG & Isaac. They get a high-end wing prospect, a wing defender and a downgrade at 3rd string center they can afford. If they both develop, a Fultz/Romeo backcourt could be great. Downside may be losing Slart to the ORL board, though.
That's a really deep team of guys that are (mostly) long and can defend and (mostly) hit shots too.
That screams Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers.. like, maybe Carsen instead of Romeo.. and didn’t you all notice Semi has been hitting threes
Maybe, but you gotta give value to get value. I really think Aminu would fit perfect. Him, Smart, jays and Gordon would be a great switch everything lineup. Birch could be useful as well. Definitely a win now move you could regret. But I also love that it sets up a next trade worst case.
Langford’s valuable, but last pick in the lottery for 2 rotation players is a fair trade. For context, he was taken 2 spots ahead of Rozier. No way you get those guys for Edwards. Semi is a slight positive above salary, at best, regardless of a few nice games.
djFan71 wrote:Langford, Semi & Poirier for Aminu & Birch.
Aminu would add depth in the rotation with Theis & Timelord. Adding a mobile tall guy that can hit 3s and defend would be great. Birch is an upgrade over Poirier and he & Kanter could help against the big 5s of the world. Costs Langford which hurts, but with a slight upgrade in bigs this year, we could be legit contenders. Plus, you have Aminu's contract as trade ballast for the draft/summer. (For ex, Kanter/Aminu/picks gets you Myles Turner without losing Theis)
ORL gets out of Aminu's contract when he's been redundant from the start behind AG & Isaac. They get a high-end wing prospect, a wing defender and a downgrade at 3rd string center they can afford. If they both develop, a Fultz/Romeo backcourt could be great. Downside may be losing Slart to the ORL board, though.
That's a really deep team of guys that are (mostly) long and can defend and (mostly) hit shots too.
That screams Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers.. like, maybe Carsen instead of Romeo.. and didn’t you all notice Semi has been hitting threes
Maybe, but you gotta give value to get value. I really think Aminu would fit perfect. Him, Smart, jays and Gordon would be a great switch everything lineup. Birch could be useful as well. Definitely a win now move you could regret. But I also love that it sets up a next trade worst case.
Langford’s valuable, but last pick in the lottery for 2 rotation players is a fair trade. For context, he was taken 2 spots ahead of Rozier. No way you get those guys for Edwards. Semi is a slight positive above salary, at best, regardless of a few nice games.
Right, but you don't have to overpay in long-term value to get short-term value in rotation role-players. I like Aminu a lot, but he doesn't space the floor and he's basically a taller, longer more experienced version of Semi Ojeleye. Andrew Declerq and an unprotected lotto pick for Vitaly Potapenko is another cautionary example here.
Also not sure why Orlando would trade Aminu - they just signed him to be what you want him to be for the Celtics - an experienced switch-everything forward with size. He also gives them the flexibility to trade one of AG/Isaac.
If you want a power forward, they could take a chance on bringing Anthony Randolph back to the U.S..
Kanter or Theis, Poirier, and one of Ojeleye, Wanamaker or Edwards gets you to about 8.5 million in outgoing salary - and if ESPN's trade checker is right, depending on the trade partner, that lets us take back a player making as much as 12-14 million. So start there for bigs - and also keep in mind that we might be able to set something up where we take back a player making 12 million and then flip him immediately, maybe with a pick, for a player making 16-18 million - and then that player for one making 20 million. I've never seen it happen but it looks like it's legal, so there's a straw-to-gold possibility there.
Ojeleye, Wanamaker and Edwards are also all valuable - Poirier is the only dead weight on the payroll right now, and that could change any time as he adjusts to the league.
Does anyone know the book on Nerlens Noel? I know we had interest years ago, but have had concerns about his "character" and that coming back to the Boston area could be bad for him.. it was never clear how he got in Rick Carlisle's doghouse, or why he's still in NBA purgatory and re-upped with the Thunder on another vet minimum deal. But he's probably available for as little as the MIL pick, if that.
You could also try to get Dragan Bender from Milwaukee.. they have him in the d-league right now, and he's averaging roughly 20 and 10, with a rebounding percentage of 30 - which supports my theory/conviction that his physical immaturity has been the reason he hasn't played well. Some incremental bulking up on his part, plus incrementally smaller and less athletic players, and he's dominating the boards. He wouldn't solve everything or be instant-impact, but in some ways he'd really fit.
djFan71 wrote:Langford, Semi & Poirier for Aminu & Birch.
Aminu would add depth in the rotation with Theis & Timelord. Adding a mobile tall guy that can hit 3s and defend would be great. Birch is an upgrade over Poirier and he & Kanter could help against the big 5s of the world. Costs Langford which hurts, but with a slight upgrade in bigs this year, we could be legit contenders. Plus, you have Aminu's contract as trade ballast for the draft/summer. (For ex, Kanter/Aminu/picks gets you Myles Turner without losing Theis)
ORL gets out of Aminu's contract when he's been redundant from the start behind AG & Isaac. They get a high-end wing prospect, a wing defender and a downgrade at 3rd string center they can afford. If they both develop, a Fultz/Romeo backcourt could be great. Downside may be losing Slart to the ORL board, though.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:You could also try to get Dragan Bender from Milwaukee.. they have him in the d-league right now, and he's averaging roughly 20 and 10, with a rebounding percentage of 30 - which supports my theory/conviction that his physical immaturity has been the reason he hasn't played well. Some incremental bulking up on his part, plus incrementally smaller and less athletic players, and he's dominating the boards. He wouldn't solve everything or be instant-impact, but in some ways he'd really fit.
I am intrigued on Bender, but also DJ Wilson. I think price for either is low and worth a shot. I think DJ has proven to be a better defender and rebounder so I lean that way a bit more.
djFan71 wrote:Langford, Semi & Poirier for Aminu & Birch.
Aminu would add depth in the rotation with Theis & Timelord. Adding a mobile tall guy that can hit 3s and defend would be great. Birch is an upgrade over Poirier and he & Kanter could help against the big 5s of the world. Costs Langford which hurts, but with a slight upgrade in bigs this year, we could be legit contenders. Plus, you have Aminu's contract as trade ballast for the draft/summer. (For ex, Kanter/Aminu/picks gets you Myles Turner without losing Theis)
ORL gets out of Aminu's contract when he's been redundant from the start behind AG & Isaac. They get a high-end wing prospect, a wing defender and a downgrade at 3rd string center they can afford. If they both develop, a Fultz/Romeo backcourt could be great. Downside may be losing Slart to the ORL board, though.
Outgoing salary - Maximum incoming salary $0 to $6,533,333 - 175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0005 $6,533,334 to $19.6 million - The outgoing salary plus $5 million $19.6 million and up - 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000
I haven't checked the details if we'd be under the tax after as required, but I believe we would be.
Andrew McCeltic wrote: That screams Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers.. like, maybe Carsen instead of Romeo.. and didn’t you all notice Semi has been hitting threes
Maybe, but you gotta give value to get value. I really think Aminu would fit perfect. Him, Smart, jays and Gordon would be a great switch everything lineup. Birch could be useful as well. Definitely a win now move you could regret. But I also love that it sets up a next trade worst case.
Langford’s valuable, but last pick in the lottery for 2 rotation players is a fair trade. For context, he was taken 2 spots ahead of Rozier. No way you get those guys for Edwards. Semi is a slight positive above salary, at best, regardless of a few nice games.
Right, but you don't have to overpay in long-term value to get short-term value in rotation role-players. I like Aminu a lot, but he doesn't space the floor and he's basically a taller, longer more experienced version of Semi Ojeleye. Andrew Declerq and an unprotected lotto pick for Vitaly Potapenko is another cautionary example here.
Also not sure why Orlando would trade Aminu - they just signed him to be what you want him to be for the Celtics - an experienced switch-everything forward with size. He also gives them the flexibility to trade one of AG/Isaac.
If you want a power forward, they could take a chance on bringing Anthony Randolph back to the U.S..
I know I'm not gonna convince anyone, but it's fun to debate it. So, lottery pick sounds impressive, but he's really just a mid-round first. What's his expected long-term value?
role player. More of a crap shoot with as many busts as stars
Last 10 #14 picks before Romeo: Michael Porter Jr, Bam Adebayo, Denzel Valentine, Cameron Payne, TJ Warren, Shabazz Muhammed, John Henson, Marcus Morris, Patrick Patterson, Earl Clark.
I'd take Aminu over 6 of them without blinking. Morris/Warren/Bam better. MPJ unknown still.
Aminu does space the floor. He's off this year, but was solid from 3pt range his last years in Portland. And is an experienced vet who started for them and went to the WCF. A taller, longer, more experienced Semi is pretty good. Plus, I think he'd thrive in Brad's system, he's made for it. And, the upgrade from Poirier to Birch has value as well.
You asking why ORL would do it is also why we need to include Romeo (beyond salary). They need to be incentivized, and Romeo is the draw. It's not just a salary dump for them. They take a chance he'll be one of the stars instead of busts, and thin out their frontcourt a little to play more wings.
I think the value is close. If you think Romeo is going to buck the odds and be the occasional star from his draft slot, don't do it. But, I think the trade makes us a much more formidable contender this year, without touching any of our core at all. You gotta go for it some times - we can't play all our rookies now and have 3 or more picks again this draft. Does TOR win the title last year if they didn't trade T Ross & a first for Ibaka the year before? That's an overpay people laughed at, but they could have lost to Philly without him. Aminu's not Ibaka, but Romeo & Semi isn't Ross & a first, either.
Ok, so about half the last ten picks at the spot turned out better than Aminu.. (MPJ, if healthy, will likely be a Star). I’d rather have a coin flip at a better player than a replacement for Marcus Morris..
And one piece of data I stumbled on last year: NBA champions very very rarely made mid-season trades..
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Ok, so about half the last ten picks at the spot turned out better than Aminu.. (MPJ, if healthy, will likely be a Star). I’d rather have a coin flip at a better player than a replacement for Marcus Morris..
And one piece of data I stumbled on last year: NBA champions very very rarely made mid-season trades..
C'mon, man, 3, maybe 4 isn't about half... And if healthy is a HUGE reason MPJ went #14, and by no means a sure thing (and can very well apply to Romeo at this point). So, call it 35% of the last 10 picks would be as/more valuable than 2.5 years of Aminu.
Marc Gasol seemed to help Toronto. We're not talking adding major pieces to a contender, but augmenting depth for guys that would not be playing while keeping ALL of our core guys.
But, I get it if you think the chance of Romeo is too much to give up on. I just don't agree. I see him similar to Terry. Could be a nice player, has potential to breakout, but still not a guy I'm going to lose sleep on trading away. If he becomes his best self and makes me regret it, I'll live with it.
No one is gonna want to hear this but Ainge is gonna listen to offers for Walker. No hate on Walker, he's great, but so is Smart and long term its hard to have 2 of your top players being so short. Gonna be really hard to find a good deal, a sell high deal for a big.
Someone posted about the elephant in the room a short while ago in regards to us not having a good enough big. The other elephant slowly making his way into the room is how can you not start Smart when he is one of the best players in the NBA? Hayward's injury buys some time, but he needs to start.
Not saying we trade Walker this season or even next season or even ever, but Danny would love to trade him for a top big. Hayward too, but with the injury it will be hard this year.
djFan71 wrote:Langford, Semi & Poirier for Aminu & Birch.
Aminu would add depth in the rotation with Theis & Timelord. Adding a mobile tall guy that can hit 3s and defend would be great. Birch is an upgrade over Poirier and he & Kanter could help against the big 5s of the world. Costs Langford which hurts, but with a slight upgrade in bigs this year, we could be legit contenders. Plus, you have Aminu's contract as trade ballast for the draft/summer. (For ex, Kanter/Aminu/picks gets you Myles Turner without losing Theis)
ORL gets out of Aminu's contract when he's been redundant from the start behind AG & Isaac. They get a high-end wing prospect, a wing defender and a downgrade at 3rd string center they can afford. If they both develop, a Fultz/Romeo backcourt could be great. Downside may be losing Slart to the ORL board, though.
Outgoing salary - Maximum incoming salary $0 to $6,533,333 - 175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0005 $6,533,334 to $19.6 million - The outgoing salary plus $5 million $19.6 million and up - 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000
I haven't checked the details if we'd be under the tax after as required, but I believe we would be.
Teams payroll is currently at $119,147,133 This trade removes $7,582,713 leaving payroll before incoming players at $111,546,420
hard tax is 132,627,000 so there is 21,080,580 available below tax hell.
Ernest wrote:No one is gonna want to hear this but Ainge is gonna listen to offers for Walker. No hate on Walker, he's great, but so is Smart and long term its hard to have 2 of your top players being so short. Gonna be really hard to find a good deal, a sell high deal for a big.
Someone posted about the elephant in the room a short while ago in regards to us not having a good enough big. The other elephant slowly making his way into the room is how can you not start Smart when he is one of the best players in the NBA? Hayward's injury buys some time, but he needs to start.
Not saying we trade Walker this season or even next season or even ever, but Danny would love to trade him for a top big. Hayward too, but with the injury it will be hard this year.
Smart stays starting. Hayward is the 6th man and the best 4 out of Kemba, Hayward, Brown and Tatum close out games. You may even see a death lineup in closing minutes (depending on matchups) of Kemba,Smart, Brown, Hayward and Tatum all on the floor.
