Trade Thread Part Deux

[jeremym480]

Would you guys want to get in on Covington but only if it meant none of our core goes?

According to reports the Lakers, Rockets, Mavs, and 76ers are all interested in him. I think we could beat most of them in a 3 for 1 type of deal. Then sign Waters and see if we can sign someone in the buyout market. It would likely mean that either Langford or the Memphis pick goes (maybe both IDK?). It also would mean that Covington would come off the bench and I'm not sure how he would feel about that. Could this and our own 2020 pick beat a Kuzma deal? I'm not sure what other teams would offer.



The playoff rotation would probably be

Kemba, Wanamaker
Brown, Smart
Tatum
Hayward, Covington
Theis, Kanter

I don't really buy him as a PF and he isn't the 3pt shooter I want but I like him defensively he is very versatile and I like him off the market for anyone else. He is under contract for two more seasons at short money so there is a lot to like. Don't like giving up Langford but like the leverage and options it would give the team with Hayward. I don't think I can do both Memphis and Langford but this is tempting.

I think he would do okay at PF. I mean, Brown, Tatum, and Hayward aren't really PF's (or even Smart) but with their versatility I think it could work since all of them can switch, double, get back to the open man, etc.

I don't think I would do Langford and the Memphis pick. I believe it is close value-wise given Covington's team-friendly deal but I feel like we're almost bidding against ourselves by offering both. What can teams like the Rockets or Clippers offer or even the Mavs?

I think guys like Covington, Bogdonavic or Bertans would all be great insurance for if Hayward decides to opt-out and leave. I don't think we could do much better than those guys with the money we would have to spend in Free Agency.

[jeremym480]

Would you guys want to get in on Covington but only if it meant none of our core goes?

According to reports the Lakers, Rockets, Mavs, and 76ers are all interested in him. I think we could beat most of them in a 3 for 1 type of deal. Then sign Waters and see if we can sign someone in the buyout market. It would likely mean that either Langford or the Memphis pick goes (maybe both IDK?). It also would mean that Covington would come off the bench and I'm not sure how he would feel about that. Could this and our own 2020 pick beat a Kuzma deal? I'm not sure what other teams would offer.



The playoff rotation would probably be

Kemba, Wanamaker
Brown, Smart
Tatum
Hayward, Covington
Theis, Kanter

I don't really buy him as a PF and he isn't the 3pt shooter I want but I like him defensively he is very versatile and I like him off the market for anyone else. He is under contract for two more seasons at short money so there is a lot to like. Don't like giving up Langford but like the leverage and options it would give the team with Hayward. I don't think I can do both Memphis and Langford but this is tempting.

I would do it if you are looking to trade Hayward in a separate deal for a bigman and bench help

Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Covington is very dangerous defensively, and if needed tossing Smart in place of Kemba for a needed stop is insane.

But key would be a big body.

I think the key is keeping Hayward and building our bench. A lot of you guys are selling Hayward short. He has his issues but he's still one of our best all-around players. You don't need a great center to win an NBA championship these days and the Lakers game and the first Bucks game laid out the blueprint on how to beat good teams. That's outrunning them (like we did against the Lakers) and doubling their best player (like we did against the Bucks - put Smart on Giannis double off of their worst shooter and rotate if he kicks it out). We will be just fine with the bigs that we have and even go back to the closing lineup we used at the beginning of the year with Kemba, Smart, and the three Wings. Run and gun, baby!

[sully00]

Would you guys want to get in on Covington but only if it meant none of our core goes?

According to reports the Lakers, Rockets, Mavs, and 76ers are all interested in him. I think we could beat most of them in a 3 for 1 type of deal. Then sign Waters and see if we can sign someone in the buyout market. It would likely mean that either Langford or the Memphis pick goes (maybe both IDK?). It also would mean that Covington would come off the bench and I'm not sure how he would feel about that. Could this and our own 2020 pick beat a Kuzma deal? I'm not sure what other teams would offer.



The playoff rotation would probably be

Kemba, Wanamaker
Brown, Smart
Tatum
Hayward, Covington
Theis, Kanter

I don't really buy him as a PF and he isn't the 3pt shooter I want but I like him defensively he is very versatile and I like him off the market for anyone else. He is under contract for two more seasons at short money so there is a lot to like. Don't like giving up Langford but like the leverage and options it would give the team with Hayward. I don't think I can do both Memphis and Langford but this is tempting.

I think he would do okay at PF. I mean, Brown, Tatum, and Hayward aren't really PF's (or even Smart) but with their versatility I think it could work since all of them can switch, double, get back to the open man, etc.

I don't think I would do Langford and the Memphis pick. I believe it is close value-wise given Covington's team-friendly deal but I feel like we're almost bidding against ourselves by offering both. What can teams like the Rockets or Clippers offer or even the Mavs?

I think guys like Covington, Bogdonavic or Bertans would all be great insurance for if Hayward decides to opt-out and leave. I don't think we could do much better than those guys with the money we would have to spend in Free Agency.

Yeah there is no Langford and the Memphis pick for Convington. They can't even get a first round pick for him right now he is under performing slightly this year and Boston has 3 1sts most likely. Bogdanavic is not available the Kings can just match on any offer sheet. Bertrans is another story because of WAS' financial situation. That said they are 4 games out of the playoffs and have so much wrapped up in Wall that they have to try and keep moving forward with Wall and Beal. But this guy is a one dimensional ball player I just don't know about giving up a lottery pick to pay him 15 mil a year. He feels like Scal with a total green light. All of these moves are going to involve giving up too much off the roster in young talent to then match it with draft capital it doesn't seem worth it.

[jeremym480]

He's another tweener SF/PF. We need a center who can rebound, block shots and defend the PnR.

I feel like getting a rangy 3/4 might be more valuable to this squad than any of the 5s available to us. If you can't slow down Embiid, just double down on your strengths.

Agreed. Kanter actually does a decent job guarding Embiid and the other centers who guard him better (guys like Horford and Gasol) probably aren't available to us and aren't worth giving up someone like Hayward or Smart for; so our best bet is to try to outrun them.

Yeah, Embiid is going to "get his" but if you can slow him down just a little bit and keep guys like Harris and Richardson from going off, then I think we still have a chance. I'm actually way more concerned about their defense than I am their offense. I'm not sure a center really helps us that much since they have so much length and would be matched up against Embiid or Al. So yeah, double down on your strengths is the way I would go, as well.

[100proof]

I don't really buy him as a PF and he isn't the 3pt shooter I want but I like him defensively he is very versatile and I like him off the market for anyone else. He is under contract for two more seasons at short money so there is a lot to like. Don't like giving up Langford but like the leverage and options it would give the team with Hayward. I don't think I can do both Memphis and Langford but this is tempting.

I would do it if you are looking to trade Hayward in a separate deal for a bigman and bench help

Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Covington is very dangerous defensively, and if needed tossing Smart in place of Kemba for a needed stop is insane.

But key would be a big body.

I think the key is keeping Hayward and building our bench. A lot of you guys are selling Hayward short. He has his issues but he's still one of our best all-around players. You don't need a great center to win an NBA championship these days and the Lakers game and the first Bucks game laid out the blueprint on how to beat good teams. That's outrunning them (like we did against the Lakers) and doubling their best player (like we did against the Bucks - put Smart on Giannis double off of their worst shooter and rotate if he kicks it out). We will be just fine with the bigs that we have and even go back to the closing lineup we used at the beginning of the year with Kemba, Smart, and the three Wings. Run and gun, baby!

Wont win a series like that.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Would you guys want to get in on Covington but only if it meant none of our core goes?

According to reports the Lakers, Rockets, Mavs, and 76ers are all interested in him. I think we could beat most of them in a 3 for 1 type of deal. Then sign Waters and see if we can sign someone in the buyout market. It would likely mean that either Langford or the Memphis pick goes (maybe both IDK?). It also would mean that Covington would come off the bench and I'm not sure how he would feel about that. Could this and our own 2020 pick beat a Kuzma deal? I'm not sure what other teams would offer.



The playoff rotation would probably be

Kemba, Wanamaker
Brown, Smart
Tatum
Hayward, Covington
Theis, Kanter

If they would do that, I’d try to flip RoCo and Theis for Capela.

[sully00]

I would do it if you are looking to trade Hayward in a separate deal for a bigman and bench help

Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Covington is very dangerous defensively, and if needed tossing Smart in place of Kemba for a needed stop is insane.

But key would be a big body.

I think the key is keeping Hayward and building our bench. A lot of you guys are selling Hayward short. He has his issues but he's still one of our best all-around players. You don't need a great center to win an NBA championship these days and the Lakers game and the first Bucks game laid out the blueprint on how to beat good teams. That's outrunning them (like we did against the Lakers) and doubling their best player (like we did against the Bucks - put Smart on Giannis double off of their worst shooter and rotate if he kicks it out). We will be just fine with the bigs that we have and even go back to the closing lineup we used at the beginning of the year with Kemba, Smart, and the three Wings. Run and gun, baby!

Wont win a series like that.

But the problem with beating MIL in a 7 game series is not low post defense it is shooting 3's and defending 3's especially from bigs. They have a handful of players who are like a video game shooting 3's especially at home. A Bucks series is a make or miss situation. They are the best defense and offense in the league in the paint. They are good shooting the 3 and terrible defending it. To beat the Bucks you are going to have exploit their weaknesses on the perimeter by making 3's forcing turnovers and getting in transition.

[robdog_5]

That's why you have to trade for Bjelica or Bertans IMO. Makes Boston so much harder to defend.

Much prefer those deals and then dip into buyout pool after you deal 3 or 2 for 1.

[zoyathedestroya]

Can't be overly concerned about getting "someone who can defend Giannis and Embiid inside" when Bucks/Sixers can easily force a switch if they wanted to. Strict man-to-man defense is extinct. You need smart, switchable guys who can rotate and help as if on a string. Team defense is what will slow down Embiid/Giannis and co., not a single man down low.

[sully00]

I don't really buy him as a PF and he isn't the 3pt shooter I want but I like him defensively he is very versatile and I like him off the market for anyone else. He is under contract for two more seasons at short money so there is a lot to like. Don't like giving up Langford but like the leverage and options it would give the team with Hayward. I don't think I can do both Memphis and Langford but this is tempting.

I would do it if you are looking to trade Hayward in a separate deal for a bigman and bench help

Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Covington is very dangerous defensively, and if needed tossing Smart in place of Kemba for a needed stop is insane.

But key would be a big body.

I think the key is keeping Hayward and building our bench. A lot of you guys are selling Hayward short. He has his issues but he's still one of our best all-around players. You don't need a great center to win an NBA championship these days and the Lakers game and the first Bucks game laid out the blueprint on how to beat good teams. That's outrunning them (like we did against the Lakers) and doubling their best player (like we did against the Bucks - put Smart on Giannis double off of their worst shooter and rotate if he kicks it out). We will be just fine with the bigs that we have and even go back to the closing lineup we used at the beginning of the year with Kemba, Smart, and the three Wings. Run and gun, baby!

To me it isn't a question of selling Hayward short it is the reality and wisdom of beyond this season. If he opts in your likely a tax payer, if he opts out you can't replace him with cap space. Obviously you can bring him back on a new deal but with Tatum likely commanding a max deal is whatever it is going to take to resign Hayward the best path forward for a team with championship aspirations.

For this year absolutely no complaints outside of him already having missed 16 games. Solid offensively and complimentary and has shown some bounce that clearly was missing last year. Defensively he isn't great but the challenge your comparing him to Smart, Brown and Tatum and the 3 of them are pretty great defenders. I am not really interested in liquidating him as much as is there another high priced/psuedo AS talent that makes more sense for this club going forward that is available. I think you have to explore that prior to the deadline. If nothing else so you have your ducks in a row come the off season.

[sully00]

That's why you have to trade for Bjelica or Bertans IMO. Makes Boston so much harder to defend.

Much prefer those deals and then dip into buyout pool after you deal 3 or 2 for 1.

I have talked about Bertans before he is not someone I want to trade a lottery pick for the privilege of giving a 15+ mil dollar per year contract to. I am not confident in the amount of time you can live with him on the floor.

Bjelica I am not as familiar with but like his numbers and contract situation way more. He is a decent rebounder and not allergic to defense at least compared to the rest of SAC squad. Any word on how available or what SAC would want in return for him?

[jeremym480]

That's why you have to trade for Bjelica or Bertans IMO. Makes Boston so much harder to defend.

Much prefer those deals and then dip into buyout pool after you deal 3 or 2 for 1.

Bjelica or Bertans would be ideal. Guys who won't have a problem with coming off of the bench and stretch the floor to give everyone else more room to operate.

Personally, I think bench scoring is easily or biggest weakness. I'm not really considered with center TBH. Theis and Kanter have been really solid. Both will have their problems (Theis guarding bigger centers, Kanter in PnR's, etc.). If we could merge them together we would have a really good center
I'm also still high on Robert Williams and still have hope that Grant can turn into our "Draymond" but I don't think he's ready just yet.

Add another guy on the bench who can get us a bucket (especially when everyone the starters are going through a cold spell).
Someone who won't upset the applecart by wanting too many shots and compliments the Jays/doesn't do anything to hurt their development.

[GoCeltics123]

Bertans will probably cost a lot because he's playing so well, but I would love Bjelica. Also, he's got a NG contract for next year, which is super valuable.

[jeremym480]

I would do it if you are looking to trade Hayward in a separate deal for a bigman and bench help

Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Covington is very dangerous defensively, and if needed tossing Smart in place of Kemba for a needed stop is insane.

But key would be a big body.

I think the key is keeping Hayward and building our bench. A lot of you guys are selling Hayward short. He has his issues but he's still one of our best all-around players. You don't need a great center to win an NBA championship these days and the Lakers game and the first Bucks game laid out the blueprint on how to beat good teams. That's outrunning them (like we did against the Lakers) and doubling their best player (like we did against the Bucks - put Smart on Giannis double off of their worst shooter and rotate if he kicks it out). We will be just fine with the bigs that we have and even go back to the closing lineup we used at the beginning of the year with Kemba, Smart, and the three Wings. Run and gun, baby!

To me it isn't a question of selling Hayward short it is the reality and wisdom of beyond this season. If he opts in your likely a tax payer, if he opts out you can't replace him with cap space. Obviously you can bring him back on a new deal but with Tatum likely commanding a max deal is whatever it is going to take to resign Hayward the best path forward for a team with championship aspirations.

For this year absolutely no complaints outside of him already having missed 16 games. Solid offensively and complimentary and has shown some bounce that clearly was missing last year. Defensively he isn't great but the challenge your comparing him to Smart, Brown and Tatum and the 3 of them are pretty great defenders. I am not really interested in liquidating him as much as is there another high priced/psuedo AS talent that makes more sense for this club going forward that is available. I think you have to explore that prior to the deadline. If nothing else so you have your ducks in a row come the off season.

If a deal for Hayward came along that made the team better, then I would be all for it. I don't think I've seen that yet though.

I believe that any trade now should be a Plan B for if Hayward leaves... that's another reason why I don't think we really need another center. Of the guys I've discussed recently, Bertans has bird rights, Bjencia is under contract for another year, Bogdonavic is a RFA, Covington has a nice team friendly-deal. And all of them would be nice trade pieces if a bigger deal came along, as would Hayward if he re-signs or even as an expiring.

[jeremym480]

That's why you have to trade for Bjelica or Bertans IMO. Makes Boston so much harder to defend.

Much prefer those deals and then dip into buyout pool after you deal 3 or 2 for 1.

I have talked about Bertans before he is not someone I want to trade a lottery pick for the privilege of giving a 15+ mil dollar per year contract to. I am not confident in the amount of time you can live with him on the floor.

Bjelica I am not as familiar with but like his numbers and contract situation way more. He is a decent rebounder and not allergic to defense at least compared to the rest of SAC squad. Any word on how available or what SAC would want in return for him?

I'm not sure what they would want. If it's just a 1st, then Poirier, Ojeleye our 2020 1st might be enticing enough.

If I'm them I try to add Dedmon's contract to any trade involving him or any other of their movable pieces. If that's the case that would take us out of the running.

[100proof]

I think the key is keeping Hayward and building our bench. A lot of you guys are selling Hayward short. He has his issues but he's still one of our best all-around players. You don't need a great center to win an NBA championship these days and the Lakers game and the first Bucks game laid out the blueprint on how to beat good teams. That's outrunning them (like we did against the Lakers) and doubling their best player (like we did against the Bucks - put Smart on Giannis double off of their worst shooter and rotate if he kicks it out). We will be just fine with the bigs that we have and even go back to the closing lineup we used at the beginning of the year with Kemba, Smart, and the three Wings. Run and gun, baby!

Wont win a series like that.

But the problem with beating MIL in a 7 game series is not low post defense it is shooting 3's and defending 3's especially from bigs. They have a handful of players who are like a video game shooting 3's especially at home. A Bucks series is a make or miss situation. They are the best defense and offense in the league in the paint. They are good shooting the 3 and terrible defending it. To beat the Bucks you are going to have exploit their weaknesses on the perimeter by making 3's forcing turnovers and getting in transition.

I agree, Run and Gun is not beating Raptors, Philly OR the bucks.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Feeling we make a move for Covington.

[Celts17Pride]

Can't be overly concerned about getting "someone who can defend Giannis and Embiid inside" when Bucks/Sixers can easily force a switch if they wanted to. Strict man-to-man defense is extinct. You need smart, switchable guys who can rotate and help as if on a string. Team defense is what will slow down Embiid/Giannis and co., not a single man down low.

Celtics are not going to trade for anyone who is able to guard Embiid/Giannis. Pipedream!

[Celts17Pride]

Feeling we make a move for Covington.

Probably not. Covington is in extremely high demand right now. Price is going to be high. Ainge won't pay it.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Feeling we make a move for Covington.

Probably not. Covington is in extremely high demand right now. Price is going to be high. Ainge won't pay it.

Who gets him then and for what?