Fire Brad Stevens.

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all about Brad to the Pacers.

Unfortunately he’s a Masshole who drinks Dunkin now, dammit!

And the JB injury will provide “cover” to him and the front office to play it cool this offseason. Spinning our wheels here though while we wait/hope for MVP Tatum stage, and hanging around low-T Brad puts that at risk.

[ParticleMan]

the biggest argument for keeping Brad to me is continuity.
i know it's super boring. fans loves change and new blood. but continuity is hugely underrated for a franchise.
the guys know the system. we know they can even run it, we've seen it. so it's not like it's beyond the realm of possibility that they could get that mojo back.
having a normal year with all the core guys healthy coming back refreshed after a more restful offseason, that's a good recipe for success.
i'm pretty unhappy with brad this year but i think he deserves one more year to prove he can take this team to true contender status.

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Sure, the most days of Covid protocols, but not nearly the most days missed due to injury or illness.

Plus their core has had up to 5 years playing together (for JB and MS, 4 for JT added in, and Kemba was on the floor with them last year too and their 5th starter has even been with the team for 3 years now).

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Sure, the most days of Covid protocols, but not nearly the most days missed due to injury or illness.

Plus their core has had up to 5 years playing together (for JB and MS, 4 for JT added in, and Kemba was on the floor with them last year too and their 5th starter has even been with the team for 3 years now).

Core, their top 7 players did not play 1! Not 1 single game together. And honestly missing for covid/protocols was worse then injury. You can't be in the building. No walk thru, no film review, no workouts with team trainers/Coaches.

If Brad had been doing south for last 3 years I get it. But I don't think you can fire a guy based off this year alone.

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Sure, the most days of Covid protocols, but not nearly the most days missed due to injury or illness.

Plus their core has had up to 5 years playing together (for JB and MS, 4 for JT added in, and Kemba was on the floor with them last year too and their 5th starter has even been with the team for 3 years now).

Core, their top 7 players did not play 1! Not 1 single game together. And honestly missing for covid/protocols was worse then injury. You can't be in the building. No walk thru, no film review, no workouts with team trainers/Coaches.

If Brad had been doing south for last 3 years I get it. But I don't think you can fire a guy based off this year alone.

Not the least surprising that their top 7 didn't play one: one of their top 7 just joined them at the trade deadline of a shortened season, and then was out for a chunk of time too. Lots of teams in the "top 7 didn't play together!" category, I bet.

SO far the C's with just 1 "season ending" injury, and that with just 4 games left in the season.

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I changed the channel. Chris Mannix on early edition said that Brad should stay as the coach and he wouldn’t get rid of him even the pacers were to offer two first round picks. I have come around to people saying mannix has no sources. What a joke

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The Celtics are not bad because of injuries/not having the full team on the court , Covid, lack of practice, but rather they are a bad team due to lack of talent. They are an average team at best. 2018 should have told everyone that if we paid attention. Danny Ainge will not win another championship again. He had his luck when his friend Mchale gifted him KG, after that he has proven he can’t construct a championship team, Wyc and co included. Until they are gone, I am going to focus on other thing than the Celtics.

I couldn’t careless whether they win or not. A lot of us have checked out. Good luck to them.

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Jeff Goodman is apparently longtime pals with Stevens, and he's been all over the Boston media the last couple of days saying that he thinks Stevens has to go, because it isn't working any more and it is easier to change the coach than trade a star.

So now I wonder whether he might just be helping Stevens by signalling to the Pacers that he is available. And if that opportunity doesn't materialize, Stevens and the C's might find a way to kick him upstairs to GM, while Danny plays his mentor for a year or two.

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The Celtics are not bad because of injuries/not having the full team on the court , Covid, lack of practice, but rather they are a bad team due to lack of talent. They are an average team at best. 2018 should have told everyone that if we paid attention. Danny Ainge will not win another championship again. He had his luck when his friend Mchale gifted him KG, after that he has proven he can’t construct a championship team, Wyc and co included. Until they are gone, I am going to focus on other thing than the Celtics.

I couldn’t careless whether they win or not. A lot of us have checked out. Good luck to them.

Danny was doing ok until he traded for Kyrie. He had a chance to rectify that by trading Kyrie at the deadline before he walked, and he didn't do it. He was delusional enough to think Kyrie was still the future and wanted to stay. It was clear as day that Kyrie was poison and was not going to resign. Losing him for nothing hurt, and it hurt even more when Horford left for nothing because he thought there was a chance Kyrie was coming back and he did not want to play with him.

Losing two stars for nothing. And then being greedy with Hayward and getting a garbage trade exception instead of Turner was just inexcusable.

Basically all the years of amassing draft picks and clearing cap space to get those stars, and then losing them for nothing is why the Celtics are what they are now.

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The Celtics are not bad because of injuries/not having the full team on the court , Covid, lack of practice, but rather they are a bad team due to lack of talent. They are an average team at best. 2018 should have told everyone that if we paid attention. Danny Ainge will not win another championship again. He had his luck when his friend Mchale gifted him KG, after that he has proven he can’t construct a championship team, Wyc and co included. Until they are gone, I am going to focus on other thing than the Celtics.

I couldn’t careless whether they win or not. A lot of us have checked out. Good luck to them.

Danny was doing ok until he traded for Kyrie. He had a chance to rectify that by trading Kyrie at the deadline before he walked, and he didn't do it. He was delusional enough to think Kyrie was still the future and wanted to stay. It was clear as day that Kyrie was poison and was not going to resign. Losing him for nothing hurt, and it hurt even more when Horford left for nothing because he thought there was a chance Kyrie was coming back and he did not want to play with him.

Losing two stars for nothing. And then being greedy with Hayward and getting a garbage trade exception instead of Turner was just inexcusable.

Basically all the years of amassing draft picks and clearing cap space to get those stars, and then losing them for nothing is why the Celtics are what they are now.

I think Danny is responsible for bad moves that he does make, but it is quite possible that Wyc is responsible for some or a majority of the moves that he doesn't make but should. After the Perk deal didn't work out Wyc started making a point, which he reiterated for several years about how Danny has to get his approval for any deal that Danny makes, and that he puts the pressure on Danny to make sure any deal is a really good one for the C's. And if that's the case, it could help to explain Wyc being slow to hold Danny accountable for mistakes that Wyc actually imposed on him.

Danny has gone from being known as "Trader Danny" to now being seen as "Do-Nothing Danny". Wyc has stopped crowing about having his hand on the C's moves, but it wouldn't surprise me if at least a couple of Danny's missed opportunities are actually due to Wyc.

The draft day Winslow near miss may have cemented it for trading picks, too. So I think Danny' may have been contained by Wyc more than we realize.

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The Celtics are not bad because of injuries/not having the full team on the court , Covid, lack of practice, but rather they are a bad team due to lack of talent. They are an average team at best. 2018 should have told everyone that if we paid attention. Danny Ainge will not win another championship again. He had his luck when his friend Mchale gifted him KG, after that he has proven he can’t construct a championship team, Wyc and co included. Until they are gone, I am going to focus on other thing than the Celtics.

I couldn’t careless whether they win or not. A lot of us have checked out. Good luck to them.

Danny was doing ok until he traded for Kyrie. He had a chance to rectify that by trading Kyrie at the deadline before he walked, and he didn't do it. He was delusional enough to think Kyrie was still the future and wanted to stay. It was clear as day that Kyrie was poison and was not going to resign. Losing him for nothing hurt, and it hurt even more when Horford left for nothing because he thought there was a chance Kyrie was coming back and he did not want to play with him.

Losing two stars for nothing. And then being greedy with Hayward and getting a garbage trade exception instead of Turner was just inexcusable.

Basically all the years of amassing draft picks and clearing cap space to get those stars, and then losing them for nothing is why the Celtics are what they are now.

Well said. I wanted Kyrie on the Celtics and still do but when he got the sense he wasn’t going to stay, he should have traded him. Danny has no plans short and long term. He got his one championship as a Gm and that’s all he is going to get. I don’t see the Celtics becoming a championship/championship contending team now and in the near future

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Danny constructed a championship roster top to bottom in 2008 but after that he has been a bad to average GM. I don’t see the short and long term goals from Danny to Wyc etc. Once Kyrie, Hayward, Horford left it was rock bottom, and it is going to remain that way if drastic changes are not made soon

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Good results. You can win by losing

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

Fire this coach ....

[Green89]

The fact that the Knicks and Hawks, two teams in the rock bottom cellar during years where Danny had tons of draft picks at his disposal, have now leapfrogged us in the standings should be enough to axe Ainge. However, the nepotism like way the owners run this franchise might not allow it. Any other franchise in the league would have fired one or both of Danny and Brad by now.

[BillessuR6]

He is under contract until 2026! Nobody is firing him, only hope is that he walks away and takes a job in collegue basketball, which is unlikely, so get him some veteran assistant coaches, please...

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Sure, the most days of Covid protocols, but not nearly the most days missed due to injury or illness.

Plus their core has had up to 5 years playing together (for JB and MS, 4 for JT added in, and Kemba was on the floor with them last year too and their 5th starter has even been with the team for 3 years now).

Core, their top 7 players did not play 1! Not 1 single game together. And honestly missing for covid/protocols was worse then injury. You can't be in the building. No walk thru, no film review, no workouts with team trainers/Coaches.

If Brad had been doing south for last 3 years I get it. But I don't think you can fire a guy based off this year alone.

How about 2 of the last 3 years? And every good vet wanting off his team ASAP?

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Does anyone here remember early in Tom Brady's career, I think it was the offseason either before or after his 2nd season, when Bill Belichick sent him home with a stack of books on leadership? IIRC they may have included bios on great leaders, but Tom said he read them and he talked about what an impact they had on him.

That's what I think Brad should have done, but neglected to do, with Jayson Tatum. Truth be told, getting a Gen Z pro athlete to read a single book, let alone a stack of books, would probably have been a challenge. But whatever could have reached JT on that front IMO would have helped this team.

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Does anyone here remember early in Tom Brady's career, I think it was the offseason either before or after his 2nd season, when Bill Belichick sent him home with a stack of books on leadership? IIRC they may have included bios on great leaders, but Tom said he read them and he talked about what an impact they had on him.

That's what I think Brad should have done, but neglected to do, with Jayson Tatum. Truth be told, getting a Gen Z pro athlete to read a single book, let alone a stack of books, would probably have been a challenge. But whatever could have reached JT on that front IMO would have helped this team.

Paul Pierce read books on leadership. Even so, he never acquired the knack, except for what he had before reading them. (Leading by the example of hard work and toughness.)

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Does anyone here remember early in Tom Brady's career, I think it was the offseason either before or after his 2nd season, when Bill Belichick sent him home with a stack of books on leadership? IIRC they may have included bios on great leaders, but Tom said he read them and he talked about what an impact they had on him.

That's what I think Brad should have done, but neglected to do, with Jayson Tatum. Truth be told, getting a Gen Z pro athlete to read a single book, let alone a stack of books, would probably have been a challenge. But whatever could have reached JT on that front IMO would have helped this team.

Paul Pierce read books on leadership. Even so, he never acquired the knack, except for what he had before reading them. (Leading by the example of hard work and toughness.)

Right. Pierce only got the knack of being a supportive #2 behind KG, who straightened out the pathetic culture that Pierce had inspired for years before 2008.

I don't see a bit of natural leadership in JT. Just look at his postgame interview last night:

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Flat out doesn't answer the question as to how they can improve their D. Has an extended period of rolling his tongue around his teeth in his mouth. Offers his usual, low-energy mumbles. Even picks his nose at one point.

The two players I see with legit leadership potential on this team are Rob, if he can stay healthy, and Nesmith, perhaps as Rob's less vocal #2.