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CelticFaninLBC wrote:Apparently Atlanta had interest in Derrick White.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952819-nba-head-rumor-intel-latest-on-collins-turner-mccollum-grant-more
White, Grant Williams and a pick for John Collins would help Atlanta on the defensive end, while Boston adds some offensive firepower in Collins.
Bolts wrote:Would Wiggins have a role on the Celtics?
The Corey's wrote:Horford cap number is the biggest obstacle for any maneuvering. I don't want to trade him because his leadership and defense provides a unquantifiable value for the team.
However they aren't gonna trade Smart. Brown or Tatum so he feels like the odd man out.
If we can package a couple assets with him to a team looking to dump decent players they have no need for in a rebuild then who knows. Gotta listen.
Other than that. The trade exceptions they have are the only valuable asset left to add anyone to thus team in hopes of overcoming the luls on offense when Tatum or brown exit the floor.
BostonCouchGM wrote:when we made that disastrous White trade and signed TimeLord and Smart long-term, we pretty much set our team for the foreseeable future. There isn't cap space nor many avenues to improve this roster. This is essentially what you're going to get. With an improved East due to health and young improving teams adding even more talent via lottery picks, making another deep playoff run is very unlikely. Only an unlikely and major trade to shake things up could change that and I honestly don't see it happening. With our little maneuverability at our disposal the moves I'd try to make would be to bring Begarin over, free Pritchard via trade, trade Grant and White (though the market would be non-existant) use our 2nd on a long defensive glue guy type and try hard to sign someone like Bagley. Like I said, this is probably 85-90% of the group that will return next season and that's not a good thing. I'm expecting Tatum wanting out rumors to start this Summer at earliest but by next Summer for sure.
Hal14 wrote:bfchs123 wrote:Time for Tatum to call up Brad Beal - we need the last scoring piece
yes. am i the only one who was up late the other night (one of the nights there wasn't a celtics game) watching Beal highlight vids?
Man, he's good.
Tatum, Brown, Beal. And hire an offensive guru assistant coach to help with sets, ball movement, more pace, rhythm, flow to the offense.
Bolts wrote:Would Wiggins have a role on the Celtics?
The Corey's wrote:I wonder if Mike Conley Jr could do for the Celtics what Paul has done for the sun's?
He has to be available
165bows wrote:Hal14 wrote:bfchs123 wrote:Time for Tatum to call up Brad Beal - we need the last scoring piece
yes. am i the only one who was up late the other night (one of the nights there wasn't a celtics game) watching Beal highlight vids?
Man, he's good.
Tatum, Brown, Beal. And hire an offensive guru assistant coach to help with sets, ball movement, more pace, rhythm, flow to the offense.
Crazy watching bits of these compared to the defense we've been watching the last few weeks. He looks great, but man some of that defense.
Red2 wrote:I’m back to trading smart. He will never be the point guard we need and his D will deteriorate as he continues to get injured. I don’t think he’s ever played 82 games. I get the heart and soul argument but he’s one of the few pieces we have with a reasonable contract. Smart’s value is also high now despite a poor finals
GoCeltics123 wrote:Some bench vets I'd look at in the offseason:
Dragic
LMA
Blake Griffin
Javale
Rondo?
Anyone I'm missing
GoCeltics123 wrote:Some bench vets I'd look at in the offseason:
Dragic
LMA
Blake Griffin
Javale
Rondo?
Anyone I'm missing
hugepatsfan wrote:I hate to be reactionary and "oMg TrAdE eVeRyOnE" but here's a Marcus Smart deal I do think is worth exploring...
ATL gives: G Kevin Huerter, #16
ATL gets: G Marcus Smart, #31, 2023 BOS 1st (can debate protections in the thread)
Why? Hawks reportedly discussed Huerter + Reddish for Smart at the deadline, with BOS wanting more. Reddish was later dealt for a pick and BOS obviously held onto Smart. I think Smart played better in the second half of the year and ATL still needs a defensive guard after a rough showing there. Their GM seems more open to moves now than at the deadline. I think #16 for #31 and next year's BOS 1st is a fair approximation of Reddish's value when this was discussed earlier in the year, and I have Smart more valuable now than at the deadline based on his play and ATL more open to a deal now.
IND gives: G Malcolm Brogdon, #31
IND gets: #16, C Daniel Theis, G/F Aaron Nesmith
Why? Move Brogdon for a mid 1st. Some reports that some teams have him valued negatively for the injury history, but ultimately I believe that talent will win out and they can get this mid 1st. Nesmith is taking a flier on a former lottery pick who fits a positional needs... I won't sell him as anything more than a lottery ticket. I also won't sell Theis as positive salary. He's got two years (third year is team option) and about $18M left guaranteed. I think he can play with Turner and the salary is palatable to be used in a deal down the line, particularly next offseason with Buddy Hield when it's all expiring money. The general feedback I've seen from IND fans is that they're willing to use #31 if needed to get a higher pick for Brogdon and they're ok taking on salary if needed. Unless WAS (#10) or NY (#11) are willing to give up a pick I don't think they should for Brogdon, I have #16 as the high end of his market. I don't think Theis' salary is prohibitive and Nesmith can have his option declined if you don't believe in him at all.
BOS gives: G Marcus Smart, C Daniel Theis, G/F Aaron Nesmith, 2023 1st round pick (can debate protections in the thread)
BOS gets: G Malcolm Brogdon, G Kevin Huerter (into Fourner TPE)
Why? They get shooting with size in the backcourt. Huerter definitely needs to be covered for on defense some, but he's not a total liability the way Pritchard is back there just on account of being tall enough to contest (Pritchard actually plays decent defense positioning wise but no length to contest). Brogdon isn't Smart defensively, but he can still switch as a PG and he gives you more shooting and a legit third scorer. Injury is the big risk but you just hope you can manage his minutes well enough. They take on a little extra salary the next two years but not a ton since they're sending out Theis and Nesmith as well as Smart.
*Bonus, my hope would be that BOS can pry Otto Porter away from GS with a full MLE offer and a starting spot. Move Horford to the bench to better manage his minutes and the Center rotation overall*
Brogdon / White
Brown / Huerter
Tatum
Porter Jr. / G Williams
R Williams / Horford
RickyDizzle wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:I hate to be reactionary and "oMg TrAdE eVeRyOnE" but here's a Marcus Smart deal I do think is worth exploring...
ATL gives: G Kevin Huerter, #16
ATL gets: G Marcus Smart, #31, 2023 BOS 1st (can debate protections in the thread)
Why? Hawks reportedly discussed Huerter + Reddish for Smart at the deadline, with BOS wanting more. Reddish was later dealt for a pick and BOS obviously held onto Smart. I think Smart played better in the second half of the year and ATL still needs a defensive guard after a rough showing there. Their GM seems more open to moves now than at the deadline. I think #16 for #31 and next year's BOS 1st is a fair approximation of Reddish's value when this was discussed earlier in the year, and I have Smart more valuable now than at the deadline based on his play and ATL more open to a deal now.
IND gives: G Malcolm Brogdon, #31
IND gets: #16, C Daniel Theis, G/F Aaron Nesmith
Why? Move Brogdon for a mid 1st. Some reports that some teams have him valued negatively for the injury history, but ultimately I believe that talent will win out and they can get this mid 1st. Nesmith is taking a flier on a former lottery pick who fits a positional needs... I won't sell him as anything more than a lottery ticket. I also won't sell Theis as positive salary. He's got two years (third year is team option) and about $18M left guaranteed. I think he can play with Turner and the salary is palatable to be used in a deal down the line, particularly next offseason with Buddy Hield when it's all expiring money. The general feedback I've seen from IND fans is that they're willing to use #31 if needed to get a higher pick for Brogdon and they're ok taking on salary if needed. Unless WAS (#10) or NY (#11) are willing to give up a pick I don't think they should for Brogdon, I have #16 as the high end of his market. I don't think Theis' salary is prohibitive and Nesmith can have his option declined if you don't believe in him at all.
BOS gives: G Marcus Smart, C Daniel Theis, G/F Aaron Nesmith, 2023 1st round pick (can debate protections in the thread)
BOS gets: G Malcolm Brogdon, G Kevin Huerter (into Fourner TPE)
Why? They get shooting with size in the backcourt. Huerter definitely needs to be covered for on defense some, but he's not a total liability the way Pritchard is back there just on account of being tall enough to contest (Pritchard actually plays decent defense positioning wise but no length to contest). Brogdon isn't Smart defensively, but he can still switch as a PG and he gives you more shooting and a legit third scorer. Injury is the big risk but you just hope you can manage his minutes well enough. They take on a little extra salary the next two years but not a ton since they're sending out Theis and Nesmith as well as Smart.
*Bonus, my hope would be that BOS can pry Otto Porter away from GS with a full MLE offer and a starting spot. Move Horford to the bench to better manage his minutes and the Center rotation overall*
Brogdon / White
Brown / Huerter
Tatum
Porter Jr. / G Williams
R Williams / Horford
Looks pretty solid. I think white played pretty well overall, though inconsistently, but I do think Smart and White have a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses. High IQ, good defenders, streaky/bad shooters, etc. Seems like Brogdon, if healthy, would give a bit of a different look. Still have Pritchard and potential to add Begarin and Madar, which is decent depth to cover for brogdons injuries in regular season, move white up fill in backup minutes behind him.
I still like Theis as a regular season minutes eater / spot starter to cover for injuries, but I think with his contract/role he's overpaid and someone decently likely to get traded.