Welcome to Boston, Jaden Springer!

[Hal14]

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Well yes, hes on the last year of his rookie deal. Unfortunately while he’s on the roster, he’s not contributing in any meaningful way despite having an entire offseason to get acclimated here. In order to continue to justify him having a roster spot, he needs to be able to contribute something, otherwise he’s just dead weight.

Man, you really sound grumpy. Cheer up.

We're the heavy favorites to repeat as champions.

Give Springer a chance. We're only 3 games into the season. He's only played in 1 game so far and in that 1 game, he was the only guy on our team who did anything positive in garbage time - had an offensive rebound, showed the ability to create his own shot, draw a foul, get himself to the FT line..and made probably the best defensive play of the game with some impressive pressure D out on the perimeter, with a deflection and a block on the same play.

Springer is 9 for his last 18 from 3.

He'll either be a good player for us..or maybe he'll get traded. Either way, our team is in great shape

It’s not on me to give Springer a chance, it’s on Joe. And clearly Springer hasn’t earned that chance, because he’s fallen off the face of the earth on the depth chart. Brissett is sitting out there due to poor agent advice who was at least able to contribute to the club last year in some meaningful way. There’s just zero justification carrying Springer if he can’t hack it.

Springer is still on the team because he has a guaranteed contract.

There's some rumors that perhaps Brad was/is exploring a trade to move Springer if he thinks he won't contribute enough on the court to be worth the the $10 mil or so (salary + taxes).

In the meantime, he's still on the team and was the only one on our team who actually played well during garbage time the other night vs Detroit. While he's still on the roster, perhaps he ends up carving out a role, earning some minutes and contributing a bit. Maybe he won't and he'll get traded or leave as a FA next summer.

We'll see what happens, but I wouldn't read too deeply into which end of the bench guy goes into the game during garbage time before another one during the 3rd game of the season.

It's a long season. Things can change quite a bit. Guys get better during the season, sometimes they get worse, or egt injured. The lineups, substitution patters and depth charts typically fluctuate a decent amount throughout the season.

Pritchard was riding the bench early in the 21-22 season, was in trade rumors. But ended up being a key piece in our playoff rotation. The season after that, Vonleh was starting at C for an early season game vs Miami, but then was traded midway through the season.

Things change. And the first 2 or 3 games of a season usually don't end up meaning a whole heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things..

[phincsfan]

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Man, you really sound grumpy. Cheer up.

We're the heavy favorites to repeat as champions.

Give Springer a chance. We're only 3 games into the season. He's only played in 1 game so far and in that 1 game, he was the only guy on our team who did anything positive in garbage time - had an offensive rebound, showed the ability to create his own shot, draw a foul, get himself to the FT line..and made probably the best defensive play of the game with some impressive pressure D out on the perimeter, with a deflection and a block on the same play.

Springer is 9 for his last 18 from 3.

He'll either be a good player for us..or maybe he'll get traded. Either way, our team is in great shape

It’s not on me to give Springer a chance, it’s on Joe. And clearly Springer hasn’t earned that chance, because he’s fallen off the face of the earth on the depth chart. Brissett is sitting out there due to poor agent advice who was at least able to contribute to the club last year in some meaningful way. There’s just zero justification carrying Springer if he can’t hack it.

Springer is still on the team because he has a guaranteed contract.

There's some rumors that perhaps Brad was/is exploring a trade to move Springer if he thinks he won't contribute enough on the court to be worth the the $10 mil or so (salary + taxes).

In the meantime, he's still on the team and was the only one on our team who actually played well during garbage time the other night vs Detroit. While he's still on the roster, perhaps he ends up carving out a role, earning some minutes and contributing a bit. Maybe he won't and he'll get traded or leave as a FA next summer.

We'll see what happens, but I wouldn't read too deeply into which end of the bench guy goes into the game during garbage time before another one during the 3rd game of the season.

It's a long season. Things can change quite a bit. Guys get better during the season, sometimes they get worse, or egt injured. The lineups, substitution patters and depth charts typically fluctuate a decent amount throughout the season.

Pritchard was riding the bench early in the 21-22 season, was in trade rumors. But ended up being a key piece in our playoff rotation. The season after that, Vonleh was starting at C for an early season game vs Miami, but then was traded midway through the season.

Things change. And the first 2 or 3 games of a season usually don't end up meaning a whole heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things..

I'm interested to see if they send Springer up to Maine. IMO, that wouldn't be a positive sign. I don't know what Maine at this point would do for him? I really thought with Hauser out that Springer would see some time these last two games. The C's had a nice lead in that Detroit game that I was surprised Joe didn't put him to spell somebody. I just hope he's taking it the best he can and realizing that he's making a good paycheck regardless if he plays or not. Besides an injury, any locker room distractions are not needed.

[shackles10]

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It’s not on me to give Springer a chance, it’s on Joe. And clearly Springer hasn’t earned that chance, because he’s fallen off the face of the earth on the depth chart. Brissett is sitting out there due to poor agent advice who was at least able to contribute to the club last year in some meaningful way. There’s just zero justification carrying Springer if he can’t hack it.

Springer is still on the team because he has a guaranteed contract.

There's some rumors that perhaps Brad was/is exploring a trade to move Springer if he thinks he won't contribute enough on the court to be worth the the $10 mil or so (salary + taxes).

In the meantime, he's still on the team and was the only one on our team who actually played well during garbage time the other night vs Detroit. While he's still on the roster, perhaps he ends up carving out a role, earning some minutes and contributing a bit. Maybe he won't and he'll get traded or leave as a FA next summer.

We'll see what happens, but I wouldn't read too deeply into which end of the bench guy goes into the game during garbage time before another one during the 3rd game of the season.

It's a long season. Things can change quite a bit. Guys get better during the season, sometimes they get worse, or egt injured. The lineups, substitution patters and depth charts typically fluctuate a decent amount throughout the season.

Pritchard was riding the bench early in the 21-22 season, was in trade rumors. But ended up being a key piece in our playoff rotation. The season after that, Vonleh was starting at C for an early season game vs Miami, but then was traded midway through the season.

Things change. And the first 2 or 3 games of a season usually don't end up meaning a whole heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things..

I'm interested to see if they send Springer up to Maine. IMO, that wouldn't be a positive sign. I don't know what Maine at this point would do for him? I really thought with Hauser out that Springer would see some time these last two games. The C's had a nice lead in that Detroit game that I was surprised Joe didn't put him to spell somebody. I just hope he's taking it the best he can and realizing that he's making a good paycheck regardless if he plays or not. Besides an injury, any locker room distractions are not needed.

Regardless of what's going on behind the scenes I would think Springer is at least smart enough to know he's on the last year of his rookie deal, not playing much, and any kind of locker room distractions would be bad for his future in the league, let alone his future with the Celtics.

[hugepatsfan]

I'd like to see him succeed but if even with Hauser out he can't get on the floor in non-garbage time minutes then it doesn't look good for him here. His salary is a lot when you factor in the tax on it and at some point you'd expect to see them make the financially prudent move of dumping his contract off the books if he continues to not be able to earn a role. I'd be surprised if he's here past the deadline, whether it's a straight salary dump and replaced via a vet min or if an actual trade comes together that his deal is used in (i.e. Tillman last year).

[djFan71]

I'd like to see him succeed but if even with Hauser out he can't get on the floor in non-garbage time minutes then it doesn't look good for him here. His salary is a lot when you factor in the tax on it and at some point you'd expect to see them make the financially prudent move of dumping his contract off the books if he continues to not be able to earn a role. I'd be surprised if he's here past the deadline, whether it's a straight salary dump and replaced via a vet min or if an actual trade comes together that his deal is used in (i.e. Tillman last year).

Agreed. I still have a little hope he can play, but it's not looking like a sure thing atm. His value as a contract at the deadline to fill some unexpected need without trading a top 9 guy is handy. It's limited still, but there's a lot more guys under Springer $ than there are under the next guy down the roster. There's no need to do anything with him yet. See if he progresses, and if not (or even if so) move him at the deadline. If we can use his salary to bring back a guy that we need to play, great. If not, you try to get as close to neutral in a dump move as you can to save the tax hit.

[Parliament10]

[Parasite]

It should be against the law that Springer is on an NBA team while Lonnie Walker isn’t. (Yeah yeah I know. Dead horse. I get it.)

[ThePigeon]

Goodbye Jaden
Wishing you success on a team in Europe or China

[Fierce1]

Other than his contract, Spring is a little small for a SG.

[Dogen]

Tough times for us (us?) denizens of Springerstan. Jaden got two minutes of gah-bage time last night and only one sloppy turnover.

It's like his stock is going in the opposite direction of Pritchard's. Payton playing with a ton of confidence and his shooting solidifies him as getting the lion's share of those minutes. His defense looks pretty good too.

So, not much reason to play Springer now. I'd like to see him get some spot minutes with a few of the starters, but can't make a strong case for why Joe would do that when the team is rolling.

[Dogen]

It should be against the law that Springer is on an NBA team while Lonnie Walker isn’t. (Yeah yeah I know. Dead horse. I get it.)

Thing is, there's no law against signing Walker. There are a few teams that could make him an offer. Might be best for him to make some money in Madrid and try to come back next season. I hope he gets another shot with the Celtics. For now, that dead horse has sailed...

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I know I run the risk of triggering Hal with this, but Jaden continues to not look very good at NBA basketball

[shackles10]

I know I run the risk of triggering Hal with this, but Jaden continues to not look very good at NBA basketball

That turnover just bringing the ball up, followed by what looks to be high energy defense but at least for that possession I'm not convinced was more than fake hustle jumping at everything but with the athletic ability to recover, and then can't even catch a pass cleanly on the opposite side of the court from where he lost it out of bounds was as bad in a short period of time as I've seen for a guy we're unsure about at best.

[playa-hater]

Every single young player I liked had their struggles early. Especially in garbage time. But at some point the player I liked showed some good signs.. I can't recall anytime I felt good about Springer.

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That turnover just bringing the ball up.

We know that bringing the ball up vs defensive pressure and initiating offense as a PG is not the strength of his game.

Sure he had a turnover but he was playing out of position - he's not a PG. Garbage time means basically nothing. If he's out there during meaningful, non-garbage time mins, there's gonna be at least 1 (probably more than 1) guy on the floor who can bring it up (Jrue, white, pritchard, tatum, brown) so that play shouldn't be looked at as a negative for Springer. Especially considering it was basically the first possession after he went into the game cold, after sitting there watching for 2 hours so it's certainly natural if a player makes a mistake or doesn't have their handle quite up to snuff.

followed by what looks to be high energy defense but at least for that possession I'm not convinced was more than fake hustle jumping at everything but with the athletic ability to recover

He does have the athletic ability to recover on plays like that. That's one of his strengths as a player. He has shown quite a few times that he can gamble for a steal or a block and still recover to make a play.

He jumped twice on that play. Once when he bit on the fake (not ideal, but again, has the ability to recover in those situations more often than not) and then the other time he jumped was when the guy actually shot the ball so it was a good play to jump there to contest the shot.

If he was a little jumpy, it's understandable. He sits there on the bench all game watching. Comes in with under 2 mins left so understandable if a guy on the last year of his rookie contract, fighting to stay in the league (who got yelled at by the coach in preseason for not taking a charge) is maybe a little bit overly aggressive to try and make a play and make an impression with the coaching staff to earn some real mins. He wasn't aggressive enough that one play in preseason when he didn't take the charge..

and then can't even catch a pass cleanly on the opposite side of the court from where he lost it out of bounds

Ok, he bobbled the ball a little bit as he caught it. But then he was able to gather it in and pass it to Queta who was wide open near the basket so it turned out that he actually made a good play there.

Again, bobbling the ball a little bit instead of catching it cleanly is certainly a common thing that can happen in garbage time especially with a young player and especially when you're coming in cold off the bench, not in any type of rhythm, and feeling all of this pressure to make a play in order to stay in the league (especially since he probably read the reports online about being in trade rumors so then he's feeling even more pressure from that).

Also, not really sure why you felt the need to mention that he bobbled the ball on the opposite side of the floor from where he lost the ball out of bounds. You already mentioned the turnover he had bring the ball up - why mention it again? Little things like that make it seem like you're just going out of your way to hate on the guy and trying to make it seem like he's worse than he is.

was as bad in a short period of time as I've seen for a guy we're unsure about at best.

Let's have some perspective here. It's just 1 game. 1 game doesn't mean a whole lot. 1 game where it's garbage time mins means even less. 1 game where it's garbage time and you only play for about a minute and a half (came in with about 1:50 left and we dribbled out the clock for the last 20-ish seconds) means even less.

This seems like a lot of criticism (not just your post but also the other ones in this thread) over such meaningless minutes.

What about the game he played in vs Detroit? In that game he was our only player in garbage time who actually played well. Crashed the boards, showed the ability to take his man off the dribble, create his own shot by driving, drawing a foul and getting to the line..and also made one of the best defensive plays of the game.

If we're going to overanalyze garbage time, why not point out that Springer is 1st on the team right now in TRB% at 25.3?

What about Summer League, when he was our best player there, and was way better than Walsh?

What about the fact that Springer is 9/18 (50%) from 3 over his last 9 games?

Or what about when he played solid in preseason in those 2 games vs Denver, when he was out there getting meaningful mins playing alongside our regulars and was solid on both ends of the floor, where he cleanly caught a cross court pass and then hit the 3 and had one of the highest +/- on the team during the preseason.

Or we could just wait before rushing to such harsh judgment..like wait until the guy has played in like 5 or 10 (at least) games before writing him off or being overly critical.

Just saying, let's see the big picture here and not base everything on a minute and a half stint during garbage time..it's called garbage time for a reason.

[ThePigeon]

That turnover just bringing the ball up.

We know that bringing the ball up vs defensive pressure and initiating offense as a PG is not the strength of his game.

Sure he had a turnover but he was playing out of position - he's not a PG. Garbage time means basically nothing. If he's out there during meaningful, non-garbage time mins, there's gonna be at least 1 (probably more than 1) guy on the floor who can bring it up (Jrue, white, pritchard, tatum, brown) so that play shouldn't be looked at as a negative for Springer. Especially considering it was basically the first possession after he went into the game cold, after sitting there watching for 2 hours so it's certainly natural if a player makes a mistake or doesn't have their handle quite up to snuff.

followed by what looks to be high energy defense but at least for that possession I'm not convinced was more than fake hustle jumping at everything but with the athletic ability to recover

He does have the athletic ability to recover on plays like that. That's one of his strengths as a player. He has shown quite a few times that he can gamble for a steal or a block and still recover to make a play.

He jumped twice on that play. Once when he bit on the fake (not ideal, but again, has the ability to recover in those situations more often than not) and then the other time he jumped was when the guy actually shot the ball so it was a good play to jump there to contest the shot.

If he was a little jumpy, it's understandable. He sits there on the bench all game watching. Comes in with under 2 mins left so understandable if a guy on the last year of his rookie contract, fighting to stay in the league (who got yelled at by the coach in preseason for not taking a charge) is maybe a little bit overly aggressive to try and make a play and make an impression with the coaching staff to earn some real mins. He wasn't aggressive enough that one play in preseason when he didn't take the charge..

and then can't even catch a pass cleanly on the opposite side of the court from where he lost it out of bounds

Ok, he bobbled the ball a little bit as he caught it. But then he was able to gather it in and pass it to Queta who was wide open near the basket so it turned out that he actually made a good play there.

Again, bobbling the ball a little bit instead of catching it cleanly is certainly a common thing that can happen in garbage time especially with a young player and especially when you're coming in cold off the bench, not in any type of rhythm, and feeling all of this pressure to make a play in order to stay in the league (especially since he probably read the reports online about being in trade rumors so then he's feeling even more pressure from that).

Also, not really sure why you felt the need to mention that he bobbled the ball on the opposite side of the floor from where he lost the ball out of bounds. You already mentioned the turnover he had bring the ball up - why mention it again? Little things like that make it seem like you're just bashing the guy and trying to make it seem like he's worse than he is.

was as bad in a short period of time as I've seen for a guy we're unsure about at best.

Let's have some perspective here. It's just 1 game. 1 game doesn't mean a whole lot. 1 game where it's garbage time mins means even less. 1 game where it's garbage time and you only play for about a minute and a half (came in with about 1:50 left and we dribbled out the clock for the last 20-ish seconds) means even less.

This seems like a lot of criticism (not just your post but also the other ones in this thread) for something that means so little.

What about the game he played in vs Detroit? In that game he was our only player in garbage time who actually played well. Crashed the boards, showed the ability to take his man off the dribble, create his own shot by driving, drawing a foul and getting to the line..and also made one of the best defensive plays of the game.

If we're going to overanalyze garbage time, why not point out that Springer is 1st on the team right now in TRB% with 25.3?

What about Summer League, when he was our best player there, and was way better than Walsh.

What about the fact that Springer is 9/18 (50%) from 3 over his last 9 games?

Or what about when he played solid in preseason in those 2 games vs Denver, when he was out there getting meaningful mins playing alongside our regulars and was solid on both ends of the floor, where he cleanly caught a cross court pass and then hit the 3 and had one of the highest +/- on the team during the preseason.

Or we could just wait before rushing to such harsh judgment..like wait until the guy has played in like 5 or 10 (at least) games before writing him off or being overly critical.

Just saying, let's see the big picture here and not base everything on a minute and a half stint during garbage time..it's called garbage time for a reason.

With the squad we have, garbage time is the only time he'll get to showcase what he can do. I can't recall any time I was a little impressed with him in garbage time. Same as with JD Davison.

If he can't bring up the ball, let someone else do it. If he can't initiate offense, let someone else do it. If he can't penetrate, let someone else do it. Trying to do things he can't do well only brings the spotlight on the things he can't do.

Playing with the starters will only happen if can shoot the 3 consistently which won't happen IMO

Maybe his defensive prowess is being utilized in training. If this is the case, he is one of the highest paid training players ever.

Go to Main to get some confidence on offense. Otherwise I can see him traded for a top 59 protected second (if we can), if only to cut on tax payment

[shackles10]

Exactly, Pigeon. Him bobbling the ball was noticeable because it was right after the last time he touched the ball he could barely get it past half court. It wasn't just a bobble, as everybody has done that from time to time. It was a spooked guy who is nervous to make any mistake like he knows how short his leash is and it was the very next time he touched the ball. To me that's telling because, as ThePigeon pointed out, garbage time is the only opportunity he's getting. If JB forced a shot early in the game and then another in the 4th nobody would care much. If he did it two plays in a row though it gets noticed and I'm not sure that's weird I noticed it as we're all looking at him as the lowest on the totem pole currently. If he can't handle this garbage time at all and is playing like or worse than our 2-way end of the bench guys in the same situation why give him more? His defensive highlights are getting further in the past, his stellar shooting sample is super small compared to the samples that show his offensive struggles, and while it may be true he'd look better with 4 starters so would every guy in the league.

If we're to believe the rumors that Brad did his due diligence in looking for a trade it wasn't to bring back some superstar or even some young player with great upside. Brad knows what he has value wise so only deal he could be looking for would be salary dump or acquire a late 2nd for him. If he was looking and couldn't even find that then it is what it is. His time here is limited, and probably not much he can do about it, fair or not. He's on a stacked team with limited paths to playing time. He lacks the versatility of Walsh, the shooting of Rico (at least historically lol), the size of Queta, and the shooting of past young players in Hauser/PP. It's a tough journey. If I were him I'd be asking to go to Maine to work on my game, showcase myself, and hope for the best. Maybe a team with opportunities sees something they like, calls Brad back and we cut some of our small losses, save money, and the young team gets a lotto ticket while Jaden gets playing time.

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EIt wasn't just a bobble, as everybody has done that from time to time. It was a spooked guy who is nervous to make any mistake like he knows how short his leash is and it was the very next time he touched the ball.

But he still maintained possession of the ball? He didn't turn it over. Not only that, but he then passed to to Queta who was wide open near the basket. Queta missed the shot but it was a makable shot - that's called a potential assist, which many people think is a better stat than assist, since the player can't control whether or not his teammate makes the shot.

His defensive highlights are getting further in the past

This was 5 days ago.

Read on Twitter

while it may be true he'd look better with 4 starters so would every guy in the league.

Which is exactly (one of the reasons) why you shouldn't base too much on garbage time performance.

Again, we've seen Springer play in a lineup with our rotational players - the 2 preseason games vs Denver. And he was good. Played solid D and knocked down an open 3 off a cross court pass that he caught cleanly. How soon we forget! It's like sometimes people black out and only remember the last game that a player played in.

If we're to believe the rumors that Brad did his due diligence in looking for a trade it wasn't to bring back some superstar or even some young player with great upside. Brad knows what he has value wise so only deal he could be looking for would be salary dump or acquire a late 2nd for him.

Idk..keep in mind, we got Tillman last year and all we traded was Lamar Stevens and a couple of 2nd rounders that were 3 and 6 years in the future.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of getting a useful player in return for him..or possibly just draft compensation + tax relief..we'll see..

Maybe a team with opportunities sees something they like, calls Brad back and we cut some of our small losses, save money, and the young team gets a lotto ticket while Jaden gets playing time.

Maybe - that's certainly a possibility - one that I even mentioned on here the other day.

But I also think it's possible that he sticks around (till the end of the season and perhaps beyond) and is able to carve out a role and contribute a bit. I'm not writing him off, just based on a couple possessions in garbage time during the 4th game of the season - one of which ended with him getting a potential assist.

Fun discussion, though and if our only issue as a team is whether the 13th man will reach his potential or get traded, we're in great shape

[Parasite]

It should be against the law that Springer is on an NBA team while Lonnie Walker isn’t. (Yeah yeah I know. Dead horse. I get it.)

Thing is, there's no law against signing Walker. There are a few teams that could make him an offer. Might be best for him to make some money in Madrid and try to come back next season. I hope he gets another shot with the Celtics. For now, that dead horse has sailed...

Yeah I’m just in an extreme win-now mode and it would be nice if we had another vet off the bench who could come in and fill it up. Decent injury insurance as well. Ah well.

[celtxman]

Every single young player I liked had their struggles early. Especially in garbage time. But at some point the player I liked showed some good signs.. I can't recall anytime I felt good about Springer.

On top of that, he has shown so little he can't get meaningful playing time, doesn't do anything in garbage time and as a result shouldn't take time away from Walsh,