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CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Begarin is not an NBA player and until Madar improves defensively, he isn't one either, so they have very minimal
trade value, if any and should be considered busts, unless something dramatically changes.
2nd round picks can never be considered busts, IMO
Joshyjess wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:Joshyjess wrote:My guess - Boston trades their two picks for future picks, and don't actually take anybody in this draft.
They might even trade next year's picks as well for better future picks.
I just don't see anybody being taken either this year or next that has a chance of getting any playing time. Why not instead set yourself up for better picks in the future.
Look at the career trajectory of a guy like Robert Williams. He hardly played as a rookie. He was a spot player as a 2nd year guy. In year 3 he started to emerge as a rotation player with some warts. In year 4 was when he really "put it together".
Look at Grant Williams. That's a guy who came in generally considered "NBA ready". In year 1 he played a good amount but couldn't shoot. In year 2 he learned to shoot. In year 3 was when he was ready to really be a good role player.
Derrick White was drafted #29 and essentially red shirted a year.
Jimmy Butler is probably the best late 1st round pick ever (or close to it) and he was a nothing in year 1. Neither was Draymond Green in year 1 and he wasn't even anything more than a bench player in year 2.
Even if there isn't a need for someone to play minutes this year, a guy we take this year is more likely to contribute at a high level us 1, 2 or 3 years from now than a guy we draft later. You have to factor in development timelines. We aren't picking at a stage of the draft where you get NBA ready studs most of the time.
Sure, there's always a chance that a guy picked later might become something great (the conversation begins in end with Tom Brady), but I think it's a much higher chance that if you can trade 2,3 or even 4 late 1st round, to mid-late second round picks for a mid 1st round pick later on, then you are giving yourself a much better chance of getting a higher quality player - especially when we already have some really good young talent that need to be given more developmental time right now.
ConstableGeneva wrote:
NBA Draft, ESPN (7:30 ET): Hosted by Malika Andrews, joined by college basketball analyst Jay Bilas, NBA analyst Richard Jefferson and reporter Andraya Carter
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Parliament10 wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Kobe in a narrow victory over Kelly O for best 13th Pick...
Shak_Celts wrote:Parliament10 wrote:
So, we’re trading back. Thanks. Ugh dumb day 2 NBA!!!
Celts17Pride wrote:Dogen wrote:Shak_Celts wrote:I get that but I prefer them to fail here after getting a chance instead of always wondering what could have been.
Right now the Celtics rotation is about 8 players deep with some spot minutes available. Joe doesn't play a deep bench. I agree that it would be good to see more guys brought along, but they can't succeed (or fail) if they don't play.
For a guy like Madar, I think it's tough to go from being "the man" in one's own country to being a G-Leaguer or watching from the bench in Boston.
Maybe this year, with a chip under his belt, Joe will be open to digging deeper into the bench. Walsh and Queta deserve a shot, and Springer. Maybe a draft guy. I think the overseas guys will be waiting once again.
Yam Madar and #54 to the Spurs for #35
meatball sub wrote:not gonna lie, i like cam christie.
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