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GreenKnight0028 wrote:You can't just trade Jeff Green after what he's shown the last few months of the season and playoffs especially since it was the first full season he played with us. Plus he's efficient.
If he was still playing like earlier in the season then I'm for it but not now. Not after what he has shown and done.
jfs1000d wrote:I woudl trade Green for a better player.
Besides, I think Pierce and Green are duplicates. One has to be off the team next year, and Pierce holds the better value. I think Pierce gets moved around draft time, or is cut 6/30. I just don't see a team wanting to do a S&T for Pierce for $15.6 million.
Celtics have 1 PG, 2 SFs and no centers. It's a dumb roster. We have to get more balanced and more orthodox. Pierce and Green are redundant players.
CelticFaninLBC wrote:ddb wrote:^^^ no way. Rondo/Smith/Pierce/Garnett/Korver/Terry/Ridnour/Sully core with whoever they pick up at the deadline for a big...and who knows what Dieng can contribute right off the bat. That team is sick
Celts got to Game 7 East Finals with Rondo/Pierce/Kg/injured Ray/Steimsma/Dooling for christ sakes
KG & Pierce will be 2 years older and Ray Allen is long gone. No way they're beating Miami or Chicago next year. I'd much rather see what Sully, Smith, Green, Bradley and Rondo can do, and also get a top 10 draft pick by dealing either KG or Pierce in a 3 way to LAC and sending Bledsoe & #16 to a team in need of a pg like New Orleans or Sac...
KG and Pierce should play for true contenders next year.
ddb wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:ddb wrote:^^^ no way. Rondo/Smith/Pierce/Garnett/Korver/Terry/Ridnour/Sully core with whoever they pick up at the deadline for a big...and who knows what Dieng can contribute right off the bat. That team is sick
Celts got to Game 7 East Finals with Rondo/Pierce/Kg/injured Ray/Steimsma/Dooling for christ sakes
KG & Pierce will be 2 years older and Ray Allen is long gone. No way they're beating Miami or Chicago next year. I'd much rather see what Sully, Smith, Green, Bradley and Rondo can do, and also get a top 10 draft pick by dealing either KG or Pierce in a 3 way to LAC and sending Bledsoe & #16 to a team in need of a pg like New Orleans or Sac...
KG and Pierce should play for true contenders next year.
bla bla bla. that team isn't bad enough for the lottery and not good enough to do anything. you want to be the Bobcats from 4 years ago? Maybe we can deal Paul Pierce for Gerald Wallace... would that make you happy? urgh. unreal. Keep KG/PP/Rondo and make changes to the rest of the roster (keeping the future in mind) OR blow it up entirely by moving PP/KG and maybe even Rondo (I'd wait unless the perfect deal was on the table).
ddb wrote:bucknersrevenge wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:
That team's bounced in the 2nd round, if not 1st.
That's what I was gonna say. Leaning on KG and Paul yet again in another playoffs a year older is a recipe for disaster. Paul can't even defend anymore. I'd go with the Big Al option if KG retires after we amnesty Paul. I think that team is a 4 or 5 seed at least in the East.
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you lean on Jeff Green then and see how far that gets you. have fun
ddb wrote:jfs1000d wrote:I woudl trade Green for a better player.
Besides, I think Pierce and Green are duplicates. One has to be off the team next year, and Pierce holds the better value. I think Pierce gets moved around draft time, or is cut 6/30. I just don't see a team wanting to do a S&T for Pierce for $15.6 million.
Celtics have 1 PG, 2 SFs and no centers. It's a dumb roster. We have to get more balanced and more orthodox. Pierce and Green are redundant players.
to max the value of Pierce/Green you want to TRADE Green and bring in a better player (if possible) and then let Pierce finish out his contract. PP's value to this organization is playing out his contract and then expiring. do not sleep on 15 mill coming off the books. plus, who's to say that he wouldn't resign on the cheap to be a 6th man after next season? if he doesn't retire. Pierce is still a very good player. why are we talking about his funeral? because he had to CARRY THE FREAKIN TEAM the entire 2nd half of the season after Rondo went down? Celtics had no business playing in the playoffs after the injuries and adversity they went through. If anything, AINGE needs to improve the roster and figure out what to do with Lee, Bass, Terry etc. those are the guys responsible for this **** season. Not PP
your alternative is buying him out with only 5k going against the cap but even that gets u nowhere in terms of cap flexibility. The other option is amnesty clause...still not alot of flexibility unless u factor in KG hanging them up (which he s not). Or u trade him for crap. Ahhh, ill bring him back. Im not ready nor will i ever be ready for the jeff green era. If ur moving on from PP and KG then u better bring in someone better then Greenbucknersrevenge wrote:ddb wrote:jfs1000d wrote:I woudl trade Green for a better player.
Besides, I think Pierce and Green are duplicates. One has to be off the team next year, and Pierce holds the better value. I think Pierce gets moved around draft time, or is cut 6/30. I just don't see a team wanting to do a S&T for Pierce for $15.6 million.
Celtics have 1 PG, 2 SFs and no centers. It's a dumb roster. We have to get more balanced and more orthodox. Pierce and Green are redundant players.
to max the value of Pierce/Green you want to TRADE Green and bring in a better player (if possible) and then let Pierce finish out his contract. PP's value to this organization is playing out his contract and then expiring. do not sleep on 15 mill coming off the books. plus, who's to say that he wouldn't resign on the cheap to be a 6th man after next season? if he doesn't retire. Pierce is still a very good player. why are we talking about his funeral? because he had to CARRY THE FREAKIN TEAM the entire 2nd half of the season after Rondo went down? Celtics had no business playing in the playoffs after the injuries and adversity they went through. If anything, AINGE needs to improve the roster and figure out what to do with Lee, Bass, Terry etc. those are the guys responsible for this **** season. Not PP
LOL That's right...blame the ROLE players. Because if anybody knows anything, it's ROLE players that win you games in the playoffs! Nothing beats paying a guy 15M to play under 30 minutes a game and then blame the backups. We can amnesty Paul RIGHT NOW and the 15M comes off the books RIGHT NOW. Why wait?We are talking about Pauls "funeral" because he's 36 and coming off a bad postseason. And this after getting babied by Doc minutes-wise all season.
read my post. People made it a thread about hating on Rondo. I never do that. I state the truth about Rondo. I even leave options of how to move forward with or without rondo. Im not an anti rondo guy. Im just An anti Rondo being ur beat player guyCelticFaninLBC wrote:ddb wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:
KG & Pierce will be 2 years older and Ray Allen is long gone. No way they're beating Miami or Chicago next year. I'd much rather see what Sully, Smith, Green, Bradley and Rondo can do, and also get a top 10 draft pick by dealing either KG or Pierce in a 3 way to LAC and sending Bledsoe & #16 to a team in need of a pg like New Orleans or Sac...
KG and Pierce should play for true contenders next year.
bla bla bla. that team isn't bad enough for the lottery and not good enough to do anything. you want to be the Bobcats from 4 years ago? Maybe we can deal Paul Pierce for Gerald Wallace... would that make you happy? urgh. unreal. Keep KG/PP/Rondo and make changes to the rest of the roster (keeping the future in mind) OR blow it up entirely by moving PP/KG and maybe even Rondo (I'd wait unless the perfect deal was on the table).
Weren't you pretty bullish about the team after Rondo got hurt??
Sorry, but it's over man.
ddb wrote: If ur moving on from PP and KG then u better bring in someone better then Green
MKG35 wrote:Can anyone tell me why Rivers would retire as a headcoach at such a young age?
He can easily continue coaching for at least 10 years or does he have different desires?
LuckyLeprichan wrote:ddb wrote: If ur moving on from PP and KG then u better bring in someone better then Green
Good luck.
PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
ddb wrote:your alternative is buying him out with only 5k going against the cap but even that gets u nowhere in terms of cap flexibility. The other option is amnesty clause...still not alot of flexibility unless u factor in KG hanging them up (which he s not). Or u trade him for crap. Ahhh, ill bring him back. Im not ready nor will i ever be ready for the jeff green era. If ur moving on from PP and KG then u better bring in someone better then Greenbucknersrevenge wrote:ddb wrote:to max the value of Pierce/Green you want to TRADE Green and bring in a better player (if possible) and then let Pierce finish out his contract. PP's value to this organization is playing out his contract and then expiring. do not sleep on 15 mill coming off the books. plus, who's to say that he wouldn't resign on the cheap to be a 6th man after next season? if he doesn't retire. Pierce is still a very good player. why are we talking about his funeral? because he had to CARRY THE FREAKIN TEAM the entire 2nd half of the season after Rondo went down? Celtics had no business playing in the playoffs after the injuries and adversity they went through. If anything, AINGE needs to improve the roster and figure out what to do with Lee, Bass, Terry etc. those are the guys responsible for this **** season. Not PP
LOL That's right...blame the ROLE players. Because if anybody knows anything, it's ROLE players that win you games in the playoffs! Nothing beats paying a guy 15M to play under 30 minutes a game and then blame the backups. We can amnesty Paul RIGHT NOW and the 15M comes off the books RIGHT NOW. Why wait?We are talking about Pauls "funeral" because he's 36 and coming off a bad postseason. And this after getting babied by Doc minutes-wise all season.
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ddb wrote:Rondo, Bradley, Pierce, Smith, Garnett
Ridnour, Terry,Korver, Sully
Dieng,Twill, Shav
Barbosa (bring him along slowly)
How this happens:
-Green/Bass/Melo/Crawford (Hawks decline team option on Crawford) for Josh Smith in S/T
-draft one of Dieng/Withey/Plumlee
-Trade Courtney Lee to Minny for Luke Ridnour
-If Celts are eligable for MLE SIGN Korver!! Celts need another shooter. Korver knocks down 45%!! He'd give us the Ray Allen effect of having a decoy/a quick release and consistent 3 ball. spaces the floor. Plan B would be Martell Webster, Dorell Wright or Chase Budinger.
Garnett wants help in the frontcourt? Okay, Josh Smith is the help. He'll give you 8-9.5 rpg. 2 bpg. plays above the RIM and can guard 4's/3's.
Sully being back and healthy is a big boost as well. I think if anything Bass is in the way of Sully's development. Can't have both guys on the team IMO. Sully has more upside. He can rebound, score on the block. his J is decent from 12-15 feet. I see Sully taking big strides in his development this season.
Drafting Dieng gives you a young, athletic, active big who'll be a bit raw offensively and may get in rookie foul trouble, but I guarantee you he'll be better then Wilcox/Jason Collins.
THAT my friends is a team you go to war with in the East Conf. Watching these playoffs I can't help but wonder what a healthy Celts team like the 1 above is capable of. Miami is awesome. No doubt about it. But Wade is beat up, Bosh is nothing special... Celtics would have a shot in the East at getting back to the finals. and if they don't? make hte deals at the trade deadline when Pierce has value to contenders with his expiring contract. KG waives his no trade if Pierce is gone. Terry would only have 1 year left on his deal making him moveable.
To me it's a bullet proof plan. Get it done Danny