Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[sully00]

I anticipate Ainge holds onto Humphries and let's him expire. I think that losing his salary opens up Ainge's flexibility to take on more salary in trade next off-season, including using the $10.3mm exemption.

Or re-sign him to a more appropriate salary, I can't believe I actually wrote that.

[Havlicek17]

With NO signing Evans in the offseason, they now have $37 Mil tied up with three guards. Considering they traded for their PG and signed Evans to a free agent deal this offseason, Eric Gordon is clearly the odd man out.

For NO to trade Gordon, I think it starts with a starting quality SF first and foremost. They could also use a true Center as Davis and others playing that position for NO are really PF's.

We have two starting quality SF's in Wallace and Green. NO has a young team and could use the veteran presence of a guy like Wallace. His salary is quite a bit lower than Gordon's , so we'd have to add a young guy like Victor to make the CBA happy and we'd likely have to add a first round draft pick too.

So I would propose a trade of Wallace, Victor, and maybe the LAC 2015 1st rounder for Gordon.

If Gordon could stay healthy, that would be a steal for us. If he doesn't, he's still only 25 yrs old and would have some value regardless.

The Pelican's would get a starting SF for the next 3 years, have a young Center to play with Davis and a 1st round pick in 2015. Oh, and they'd save $13 Mil or so in salary over the next 3 years.

[bucknersrevenge]

I see the reports that Greg Monroe won't be offered an extension. If true, cue up the Rondo to Detroit rumors once again.

[KGboss]

With NO signing Evans in the offseason, they now have $37 Mil tied up with three guards. Considering they traded for their PG and signed Evans to a free agent deal this offseason, Eric Gordon is clearly the odd man out.

For NO to trade Gordon, I think it starts with a starting quality SF first and foremost. They could also use a true Center as Davis and others playing that position for NO are really PF's.

We have two starting quality SF's in Wallace and Green. NO has a young team and could use the veteran presence of a guy like Wallace. His salary is quite a bit lower than Gordon's , so we'd have to add a young guy like Victor to make the CBA happy and we'd likely have to add a first round draft pick too.

So I would propose a trade of Wallace, Victor, and maybe the LAC 2015 1st rounder for Gordon.

If Gordon could stay healthy, that would be a steal for us. If he doesn't, he's still only 25 yrs old and would have some value regardless.

The Pelican's would get a starting SF for the next 3 years, have a young Center to play with Davis and a 1st round pick in 2015. Oh, and they'd save $13 Mil or so in salary over the next 3 years.

Wallace and Fav and a first round pick seems to low ball what they would want for gordon. I think one of Green instead of Wallace or Olynyk/sully instead of fav would have to be included.

I may trade Green at this point, but who knows. I honestly would have to think about either scenario very hard due to Gordons injury history.

[StojkoVrankovic]

I see the reports that Greg Monroe won't be offered an extension. If true, cue up the Rondo to Detroit rumors once again.

Luckily Danny actually watches other teams and we don't have to worry about him trading for that softy

[sully00]

With NO signing Evans in the offseason, they now have $37 Mil tied up with three guards. Considering they traded for their PG and signed Evans to a free agent deal this offseason, Eric Gordon is clearly the odd man out.

When they signed Evans that signed him with the understanding that he would be coming off the bench. That continues to be the plan. There are articles about it here.
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/new-orleans-pelicans

Whether or not you or I believe in that plan is another story all together, but that is the current reality. Eric Gordon is the Pelicans starting SG and not the odd man out in any way at the moment.

[sully00]

I see the reports that Greg Monroe won't be offered an extension. If true, cue up the Rondo to Detroit rumors once again.

If you read the article it explains what the problem is.
http://www.freep.com/article/20131017/S ... -offseason

Detroit can't have two guys on 5 year max rookie extensions (meaning a total of 6 years under contract), so if they give it to Monroe they will not be able to give it to Drummond. I don't think either guy is going to be a 30% of the cap guy either way. So if DET wants to save the designated player assignment for Drummond or even more likely not use it all they can just sign Monroe to a 5 year max contract in the off season instead of only being able to give him 4 now. Obviously DET may not want to give Monroe the max but both sides likely want a 5 year deal.

Monroe may end being dealt but the fact that he isn't signing an extension isn't a sign of that they will become less and less common now.

[sully00]

Wolves are looking for help on the wing. We may be way out of their price range but we certainly have wing help.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/228190311.html

They have been interested in Lee in the past though I am not sure the same people are in control of things at this point. Wallace may fit their needs as well though that is a huge risk.

Maybe Derrick Williams and Jose Barea for Gerald Wallace? Yes yet another PF who plays no defense.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Is Adelman still the coach? He was a Lee fan..

[Andrew McCeltic]

The one deal I forgot to mention was Pogue's Kevin Love rumor from last year. Don't know if Love is still unhappy, and that team's odd because they have a decent collection of talent- like Houston last year, a couple 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trades for better starters and they can be very competitive. But Lee, Green, Sullinger for Love, Derrick Williams, and one more contract (last year it was Ridnour) would work, and give us a huge upgrade at the 4. Sullinger will be good, and maybe it's more cost-effective to keep and develop him, but Love is All-NBA. Love/Olynyk would be fun as hell, but rough on defense- trade Olynyk for Kanter and you've got an elite front court for a decade.

[sully00]

I am going to sticky this thread and attempt to direct random trade discussion here.

[LobCityRondo2KG]

hmm i could see the jazz interested in a KO for Kanter swap.. maybe if Favors is doing well defensivley and they need more offense?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Kanter is actually considered more advanced offensively than Favors, from what I've heard, but they're both young enough that it's hard to know how much more they'll improve. Favors is an excellent defender, but both have had inconsistent minutes and production. I think Utah and Boston would both think long and hard about a KO/Kanter swap and both decline- BOS more reluctantly.


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[nashtymvp]

hmm i could see the jazz interested in a KO for Kanter swap.. maybe if Favors is doing well defensivley and they need more offense?

what? Kanter is a way better offensive player than KO, do you even watch the jazz?

[165bows]

hmm i could see the jazz interested in a KO for Kanter swap.. maybe if Favors is doing well defensivley and they need more offense?

what? Kanter is a way better offensive player than KO, do you even watch the jazz?

You mean more or less than KO's regular season games you've seen? Little early to get all bunched up one way or another.

[ddb]

I think you're undervaluing Monroe- he'll garner plenty of interest from a number of teams.
Avery Bradley for Monroe? I'm assuming you mean as part of a sign and trade or something? Not sure what you mean because Monroe is soon staring 10-12 million per year and Avery might fetch 3 or 4 mill a year.

One team I think would be a great trade partner with is the Kings- if we blow it up.
They've signed Cousins and need some pieces to be a perrenial playoff lurker- perhaps even more if Cousins blows up in a good way.

If Rondo is looking okay or finishes the season unscathed and we don't have any good looking free agency prospects (notes or hints from agents, media etc)- perhaps Danny decides it's time to move Rondo and start with a bang. We've likely secured our own top 8 pick with a 30 win record and on draft night we pull something like....

Rondo
Green

for

Mclemore
Kings 2014 first rounder (probably top 5-8)
Salary filler(salmons+Outlaw)

We start 2014-15 from the ground up with

*2014 pick of our own (Jabari/Randle/Smart/Gordon/Exum/Embid blah blah)
*2014 pick of the Kings (one of the above)
*Ben Mclemore
*Sully
*Olynyk

Stevens going into his second season with a squad of young studs and lots of potential.
The 2015 draft is also loaded so we develop these guys and hope to draft another top 6 pick.
By Stevens 3rd or 4th year we'll be on the up and a possible free agency destination with hopefully a superstar player or two solid All Star players to work around.

Kings get their stud to pair with Cousins and Green is the icing on the cake- they are now a free agency destination too whilst we get 2 top 8 picks in the 2014 draft and Mclemore as a promising young all star potential kid.

this is the OKC model of building through the draft. Ainge would need a Durant like talent to be available (Wiggins? Parker?) And this model takes a few years. If Ainge drafts well and the plan is executed properly then it could set Boston up for a 10 year run of contending. If things go wrong or Ainge picks busts then it sets your franchise back which is a tough cycle to break through.

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[humblebum]

Yep ddb.

I think Ainge is hoping for a Golden State Warriors approach.

Franchise PG misses a chunk of games (Curry, Rondo), ends up in the top 7, draft a stud (Barnes), get your PG back healthy, trade your mismatched pieces for other teams rehab projects (Bogut), and look to have a promising bounce back with a young head coach.

[Mattya]

The one deal I forgot to mention was Pogue's Kevin Love rumor from last year. Don't know if Love is still unhappy, and that team's odd because they have a decent collection of talent- like Houston last year, a couple 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trades for better starters and they can be very competitive. But Lee, Green, Sullinger for Love, Derrick Williams, and one more contract (last year it was Ridnour) would work, and give us a huge upgrade at the 4. Sullinger will be good, and maybe it's more cost-effective to keep and develop him, but Love is All-NBA. Love/Olynyk would be fun as hell, but rough on defense- trade Olynyk for Kanter and you've got an elite front court for a decade.

That was obviously a fake trade rumor

[CelticsBizniss]

I think come the trade deadline if we're doing really bad we should try to get Monroe.
Would Detroit be interested in Jeff Green for Monroe? Maybe we throw in Lee/Bass too to then they give us Villenueva/Stuckey

Rondo/Bradley/Blank/Olynyk/Monroe
Brooks/Sully
With a possible top 5 pick
Thats a core to get excited about

[165bows]

I think come the trade deadline if we're doing really bad we should try to get Monroe.
Would Detroit be interested in Jeff Green for Monroe? Maybe we throw in Lee/Bass too to then they give us Villenueva/Stuckey

Rondo/Bradley/Blank/Olynyk/Monroe
Brooks/Sully
With a possible top 5 pick
Thats a core to get excited about

Some reason this just got me spending ten minutes on the Trade Machine doing a four team deal that was essentially Green to Detroit, Monroe to Phoenix, E. Bledsoe to LAL with various picks coming back to Boston. Man, the regular season needs to start already. Seemed like an interesting concept but just didn't fit right.