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bibby1023 wrote:What do you guys think about a Ben McLemore and Isaiah Thomas as a starting point in a much bigger trade scenario?
sully00 wrote:bibby1023 wrote:What do you guys think about a Ben McLemore and Isaiah Thomas as a starting point in a much bigger trade scenario?
I like McLemore and don't dislike Thomas but don't really view him as a starter. If SAC finds a way to get Ainge McLemore and a lottery pick this year and a future unprotected first then I think we might have a deal.
sam_I_am wrote:sully00 wrote:bibby1023 wrote:What do you guys think about a Ben McLemore and Isaiah Thomas as a starting point in a much bigger trade scenario?
I like McLemore and don't dislike Thomas but don't really view him as a starter. If SAC finds a way to get Ainge McLemore and a lottery pick this year and a future unprotected first then I think we might have a deal.
Has a team ever traded more, ie. 3 lottery picks, for a star player? I don't think Danny would take that - unless Rondo wanted out or more money than Danny wants to pay - especially if McElmore is a disappointment, but that is a trade worthy package for any star that is being moved.
bibby1023 wrote:What do you guys think about a Ben McLemore and Isaiah Thomas as a starting point in a much bigger trade scenario?
Godmoney wrote:Isiah Thomas is nice and all but can't see him being on a championship roster. Seems like Houston makes the most sense with some sort of a Lin/Asik for Rondo/Bass deal. I am unclear about a few things, though. One, not sure how the baloon payment on the two players would effect the luxury tax bill for next season and if that is something that Wyc and co would consider taking on. Two, Jeremy Lin. He is definitely misfit in that lineup next to the ball dominant James Harden but how much of his lack of success is due to fit on that roster? Or was he just a flash in the pan?
Boston desperately needs a scorer and a creative offensive player. Lin can score the ball and get to the line, two things that the Celtics desperately need. The Celtics are also on year 4 of failing to replace Kendrick Perkins and desperately need post defense, interior toughness, and rebounding from the center position. With one trade the roster would suddenly make a lot more sense and you have opened up a spot for Kelly. Is it a championship roster at this point? No, but if the plan is to develop and trade some guys it might make sense to, you know, have players that can actually contribute in this league and have upside on the team that other teams might want, not guys like Jeff Green. The deal makes a lot of sense for Houston, too, provided Rondo can get back to his previous levels before the deadline because it is quite possible that they don't yet trust Beverly to run their championship hopeful team. The nature of Asik and Lin's contracts may even necessitate Houston sending picks Boston's way or taking back additional terrible salary. Who knows, but it seems like if Lin is a real NBA player that there should be something that could get done there.
Godmoney wrote:Isiah Thomas is nice and all but can't see him being on a championship roster. Seems like Houston makes the most sense with some sort of a Lin/Asik for Rondo/Bass deal. I am unclear about a few things, though. One, not sure how the baloon payment on the two players would effect the luxury tax bill for next season and if that is something that Wyc and co would consider taking on. Two, Jeremy Lin. He is definitely misfit in that lineup next to the ball dominant James Harden but how much of his lack of success is due to fit on that roster? Or was he just a flash in the pan?
Boston desperately needs a scorer and a creative offensive player. Lin can score the ball and get to the line, two things that the Celtics desperately need. The Celtics are also on year 4 of failing to replace Kendrick Perkins and desperately need post defense, interior toughness, and rebounding from the center position. With one trade the roster would suddenly make a lot more sense and you have opened up a spot for Kelly. Is it a championship roster at this point? No, but if the plan is to develop and trade some guys it might make sense to, you know, have players that can actually contribute in this league and have upside on the team that other teams might want, not guys like Jeff Green. The deal makes a lot of sense for Houston, too, provided Rondo can get back to his previous levels before the deadline because it is quite possible that they don't yet trust Beverly to run their championship hopeful team. The nature of Asik and Lin's contracts may even necessitate Houston sending picks Boston's way or taking back additional terrible salary. Who knows, but it seems like if Lin is a real NBA player that there should be something that could get done there.
sam_I_am wrote:That is one of the worst trade ideas I've seen. If you want to get rid of Rondo, fine, I disagree but given age and injury and rebuilding .... It may turn out to be a sage decision. But I would rather amnesty him than take that deal.
Godmoney wrote:Isiah Thomas is nice and all but can't see him being on a championship roster. Seems like Houston makes the most sense with some sort of a Lin/Asik for Rondo/Bass deal. I am unclear about a few things, though. One, not sure how the baloon payment on the two players would effect the luxury tax bill for next season and if that is something that Wyc and co would consider taking on. Two, Jeremy Lin. He is definitely misfit in that lineup next to the ball dominant James Harden but how much of his lack of success is due to fit on that roster? Or was he just a flash in the pan?
Boston desperately needs a scorer and a creative offensive player. Lin can score the ball and get to the line, two things that the Celtics desperately need. The Celtics are also on year 4 of failing to replace Kendrick Perkins and desperately need post defense, interior toughness, and rebounding from the center position. With one trade the roster would suddenly make a lot more sense and you have opened up a spot for Kelly. Is it a championship roster at this point? No, but if the plan is to develop and trade some guys it might make sense to, you know, have players that can actually contribute in this league and have upside on the team that other teams might want, not guys like Jeff Green. The deal makes a lot of sense for Houston, too, provided Rondo can get back to his previous levels before the deadline because it is quite possible that they don't yet trust Beverly to run their championship hopeful team. The nature of Asik and Lin's contracts may even necessitate Houston sending picks Boston's way or taking back additional terrible salary. Who knows, but it seems like if Lin is a real NBA player that there should be something that could get done there.
165bows wrote:I hadn't read much of this thread as I think most of the realistic Rondo options have been rehashed enough. However, if the Rockets move Asik and Lin there is a realistic opportunity to get in on the Carmelo Anthony FA frenzy for them if they don't take much back salary.
So one idea I haven't seen before is combining two of the ideas: Rondo to Sacramento, Asik/Lin and at least two choice picks/assets from Sacramento to Boston, while Bogans and other vanishing salary goes to Houston. This would obviously be for after the draft, but your post made me think of that as an unlikely but possible angle.
Godmoney wrote:165bows wrote:I hadn't read much of this thread as I think most of the realistic Rondo options have been rehashed enough. However, if the Rockets move Asik and Lin there is a realistic opportunity to get in on the Carmelo Anthony FA frenzy for them if they don't take much back salary.
So one idea I haven't seen before is combining two of the ideas: Rondo to Sacramento, Asik/Lin and at least two choice picks/assets from Sacramento to Boston, while Bogans and other vanishing salary goes to Houston. This would obviously be for after the draft, but your post made me think of that as an unlikely but possible angle.
Interesting, but it looks like Boston only has the non-guaranteed salary to erase one of Lin/Asik from Houston's books (Pressy at $0.8mil and Bogans at $5.3mil). If a deal like that could be done at the deadline expiring contracts such as Hump and Bayless could be included as well. You never know when money is involved in sports stranger things have happened but from a basketball perspective I can't see Houston weakening their position for this season to chase a player that they may or may not get in free agency.
Godmoney wrote:sam_I_am wrote:That is one of the worst trade ideas I've seen. If you want to get rid of Rondo, fine, I disagree but given age and injury and rebuilding .... It may turn out to be a sage decision. But I would rather amnesty him than take that deal.
Fair enough Sam, I'm not sure that I would do it either. I am just unclear if Lin could flourish again if he were the one in the Harden role on that team or if he has settled in to who he really is as a player. With that said, the floor is yours. Give me a better idea for a Rondo trade.
Captain_Caveman wrote:I am totally ready to trade Rondo now. Equal value not necessary.
Ainge had mentioned he expects Rondo to get paid “star money.” On that subject, Rondo said, “I’m making star money now, really. It’s a pretty good living. I’ll let my agent handle those terms.”