"WCIHAoTDP?" - 2016 Draft Thread P.2

[Duke4life831]

No thanks to Buddy. He doesn't have the handle to be more than a spot up shooter as a role player in the NBA. Defenses will expose him in the NBA. He'll be a JJ Reddick type more than a Ray Allen.

Great college player, but people will be dissapointed if you spend a top 10 pick on him.

Agreed expert for the top 10 pick thing. Any other draft I agree he wouldn't go top 10 but this one is weak and I can see him going top 10. Devin Booker went 13th last year and I think every NBA GM and scout would agree Booker was the better NBA prospect.

And for everyone saying Buddy is more than just a 3 point shoote compared to guys like Jimmer and JJ in college. 43% of JJ's senior points came from 3s. He made 4.5 2's a game. Only 34% of Jimmer's senior points came from 3s. He made 6 2's a game. 48% of Buddy's points this year has come from the 3. He makes 4.2 2's a game. So Buddy actually relies more on 3s than JJ did his senior year. It's a huge huge difference between driving against college players and NBA players. I would take Hield before Murray. I think Hield can be a very effective off ball scorer like a JJ and Klay

[mbsnmisc]

I think the New Orleans pick has the possibility to be a pick that could be "had". We all know the Pelicans issues, ( No depth, small market, sketchy ownership/management ). Their management comes from a NFL background, as a general rule they tend to favor quantity over quality. I think an offer of Boston first, Dallas first and Philadelphia second for New Orleans first, (around 7),would get laughed at by most GM's. I am not sure about Demps.

It would be tremendous to get Ingram and Hield or package a top three and another top seven pick with some of our young players for a true star.

Probably wishful thinking, but I don't think it is impossible.

More likely a deal between Boston and New Orleans would be structured along Asik + 6 for Amir + Dallas + Boston first,
which would be a worthwhile transaction, especially if you could use that New Orleans 6 in a deal for a Star
and save the Brooklyn 4 for a player like Heidl or Dunn or even Criss; Bender if he drops, most likely he's going
somewhere in the Top 3 though. Hmmm, I'd even consider Sabonis at 6th these days.

I see your reasoning. That would allow NO to get out from under that horrible Asik contract, but his negative value totally skews the balance of that trade. If he is included I remove the Celts pick. That probably makes the deal impossible from both sides.

Asik is signed for three more years at more than ten million per, (plus three million for the fourth year guaranteed). That is more than Gerald Wallace. I know the cap is exploding, but that is still real money.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-orleans-pelicans/omer-asik/

Asik's corpse is a non starter in my book.

[mbsnmisc]

Dallas is kicking the **** out of Dallas.

I know RR9 is flawed, but damn is he fun to watch when he is surrounded by athletic wings.

I've seen a lot of great passers, but Rajon is special.

[mbsnmisc]

I hate piling on Cousins but I don't think he is ever going to get it. Javale McGee just stripped him, Fat Ray runs down to the other end and Cousins just stands there complaining.

They are ahead by 20.

[jfs1000d]

I like Hield for our team. Simmons is too talented not to take 1. Ingram? Good player. That's too 3 IMO.


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[Homerclease]

Hield has done wonders for his draft stock that's for sure, makes the nets pick a tad more valueable. Personally I wouldn't draft him in the top 5 but I can see how a team would fall in love with him

[Celtsfan1980]

If Smart's offense continues to be this ugly how does anyone argue we don't need a guard?

[Parliament10]

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[UGA Hayes]

Not enthusiastic about hield. His profile does seem to have a pretty poor translation rate. Lillard is more an exception than rule when it comes to senior guards who bust out as upperclassmen.

[Parliament10]

This is getting interesting.
Dallas, gives us 2 picks. -- 12 & 42, ain't too shabby.
IDK what Danny's gonna do. But some of these picks have to be tasty to someone.
Too bad is not like Football. Where a 2nd this year, is traded for a 1st next year.

[return2glory]

I think Bradley is close to being an all star. He just needs to improve his offense a bit. I still think that IT needs to come off the bench. Hes great on offense but his D is lacking. Also we will see how fouls are called in the playoffs, because if its harder to get fouls in the playoffs then IT's game is gonna hurt. When the Celtics become true contenders then IT will be a 6th man.

Bradley not close to an all star.

And I don't know what to say about you thinking Thomas should come off the bench. I know it's had for most people to admit they made and mistake and move on. Thomas got selected to the all-star game by coaches this year and it's still not enough for a few of you. You still want Thomas to come off the bench?

How many all-stars come off the bench? And it's not like this team is loaded with talent. We have one of the bottom 10 rosters in the league when it comes to talent. And you still think Thomas shouldn't start for this talentless team?

[return2glory]

I like Hield for our team. Simmons is too talented not to take 1. Ingram? Good player. That's too 3 IMO.


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Simmons isn't too talented. That's an illusion. He is a bad shooter. He won't be a good fit for any team that has a PG that needs the ball in his hands.

Simmons couldn't even get his team to the Tournament. I just have a feeling he isn't the type of player that plays for the love of the game, he plays primarily for the money at the next level.

[dlamb8888888]

Well considering DA's history, it would be safe to assume that he falls in love with at least one combo quard in this draft. IMO Buddy Hield is most likely to be that guy. Celtics always get the ugly ones or mean looking ones. I just hope that if we do draft another combo guard we trade one of current ones. So the players can get PT to develop.

Do the Celtics take Buddy? Our biggest needs are a non TRex center and another SF. but I would say that if the Nets pick is a top 2 pick we take Simmons/Ingram, otherwise we take Buddy if hes available.

If the Celts draft for need at the top of the draft it would be a huge mistake.

[Parliament10]

I think Bradley is close to being an all star. He just needs to improve his offense a bit. I still think that IT needs to come off the bench. Hes great on offense but his D is lacking. Also we will see how fouls are called in the playoffs, because if its harder to get fouls in the playoffs then IT's game is gonna hurt. When the Celtics become true contenders then IT will be a 6th man.

Bradley not close to an all star.

And I don't know what to say about you thinking Thomas should come off the bench. I know it's had for most people to admit they made and mistake and move on. Thomas got selected to the all-star game by coaches this year and it's still not enough for a few of you. You still want Thomas to come off the bench?

How many all-stars come off the bench? And it's not like this team is loaded with talent. We have one of the bottom 10 rosters in the league when it comes to talent. And you still think Thomas shouldn't start for this talentless team?

Bradley may become an All-Star, at some point. He's Definitely solid on the Defensive end.

As far as Isaiah Thomas. I initially voted that he Start, at the beginning season.:

IT - Smart - Crowder - Amir - Zeller

With Bradley first off the bench.

I wavered though. As Thomas is a small guard; and gets beat-up a lot.
He has intimate knowledge of those stanchions, as I have stated before.
He's got to be a skilled acrobat, and/or ballet dancer, or something. All joking aside.
Speed, being the first thing to go. We'll see how he plays, when his diminishes.

Below, are some links to past posts concerning IT's Starting vs. coming off the Bench.
The first one, is a Poll from Sept. 2015. The second one, a post from Jan. 2016.:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1406109&hilit=IT+bench
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1422240&hilit=IT+bench

[Yunsen]

If we have the 4th pick and Bender goes 3rd I'm trading it. If the Cavs flame out in the playoffs again I try throwing the 4th pick (Hield), Amir and someone else at them for Love and a 2018 or 2019 1st.

[GregB]

i really hope Dallas misses the playoffs. We need every bullet in the gun this offseason. draft night will be very interesting.

Can danny finally consolidate assets for an established star, will he consolidate assets to try and move up with the Dallas pick or maybe even the Brooklyn pick, will he trade off picks for future picks, or will he pick 3-4 euros that he has no plans of them coming over this year. Either way, it should be a great night! I'll have my popcorn ready.

[return2glory]

If we have the 4th pick and Bender goes 3rd I'm trading it. If the Cavs flame out in the playoffs again I try throwing the 4th pick (Hield), Amir and someone else at them for Love and a 2018 or 2019 1st.

Screw Kevin Love. He had two chances to come to Boston and he chose the Cavs both times.

[lon3lytoaster]

With shooting being at such a premium and our lack of it, Buddy might be a good look for us if we're at 4-5. He's been unreal at finding room for his shot on and off ball. His tournament so far has been extremely impressive.

[Leprechaun18]

I think DA may be thinking of trading the pick. I would say if its not a top 2 pick DA might trade it for J. Okafor. What you think of that?

[Luicampos12]

If we have the 4th pick and Bender goes 3rd I'm trading it. If the Cavs flame out in the playoffs again I try throwing the 4th pick (Hield), Amir and someone else at them for Love and a 2018 or 2019 1st.

Bender goes 6th-10th... Buddy goes top 3