The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[Kolkmania]

I'm gonna continue to be very okay with not giving up that third pick for Noel unless they threw in the Lakers pick. Noel to me is a C+, B- prospect. I'd have thrown in another pick or other filler to get LA's pick but that would have been my breaking point in negotiations with Philly as well.

Noel came into the league as damaged goods, only has one year before you have to worry about extensions and/or qualifiting offers and that Lakers pick is still protected next year, so there's a chance we wouldn't see it until 2018.

I don't think the offer of Noel, Covington and the the two picks was a bad one at all. Definitely shows they were serious about getting the third pick but I also see an overvaluing of Noel. If he has showed as offensive potential, I'd be all over it but it's not there. The two picks also weren't a fit for needs.

But, can't wait to see what shakes loose after free agency. Hopefully we can revisit Butler at least. Would of been nice to have a carrot to dangle at Durant but better late than never, I guess if we found some middle ground there.

With all due respect, but Noel + LAL '17 pick is crazy. That pick alone is probably worth more than Kris Dunn, Jaylen Brown or whoever Philadelphia would have chosen. I would rather have a shot at Jayson Tatum/Harry Giles/Mark Fultz/Dennis Smith jr/De'Aaron Fox/Jarrett Allen/Josh Jackson/Frank Ntilika/etc. than the prospects available at 3 this year.

I've watched at least 70% of Noel's games the past two years and he's a (defensive) stud. You guys would absolutely love his attitude and work ethic on the defensive end, plus he's from Boston. Philadelphia was really really poor the last two years, but the defense was quite decent a years ago when he played as a center full time. On the offensive end he's completely reliable from lobs and dishes, but he has some underestimated passing skills and vision.

Also, don't forget Noel was the consensus number one pick in the draft, an injury made him slip to 6. Kentucky absolutely collapsed when Nerlens Noel tore his ACL.

[Curmudgeon]

I'm with lon3lytoaster on this one. Ainge has bigger fish to fry with his assets.

[Iguodaladon]

I actually think it can happen despite the ridicule that view attracts.

The ridicule mostly derives from giving up a Nets pick for him.

Setting aside the details, you've gotta wonder what in the hell the Kings are doing (as usual). They sign Koufos to a 4 year deal with Cousins under contract for another 2 years, then draft WCS, then follow that up by drafting TWO MORE 7 footers in the 1st round. I mean what in the **** are they possibly thinking for minutes for those two spots? If they don't plan to deal Cousins I really just don't get it.

I think Divac is lowkey preparing to trade Cousins, the way he talked about Papagiannis as a future AllStar adds some weight to this- if Papa G is his guy, he'll probably be less reticent to entertain Cousins trade proposals

[lon3lytoaster]

I'm gonna continue to be very okay with not giving up that third pick for Noel unless they threw in the Lakers pick. Noel to me is a C+, B- prospect. I'd have thrown in another pick or other filler to get LA's pick but that would have been my breaking point in negotiations with Philly as well.

Noel came into the league as damaged goods, only has one year before you have to worry about extensions and/or qualifiting offers and that Lakers pick is still protected next year, so there's a chance we wouldn't see it until 2018.

I don't think the offer of Noel, Covington and the the two picks was a bad one at all. Definitely shows they were serious about getting the third pick but I also see an overvaluing of Noel. If he has showed as offensive potential, I'd be all over it but it's not there. The two picks also weren't a fit for needs.

But, can't wait to see what shakes loose after free agency. Hopefully we can revisit Butler at least. Would of been nice to have a carrot to dangle at Durant but better late than never, I guess if we found some middle ground there.

With all due respect, but Noel + LAL '17 pick is crazy. That pick alone is probably worth more than Kris Dunn, Jaylen Brown or whoever Philadelphia would have chosen. I would rather have a shot at Jayson Tatum/Harry Giles/Mark Fultz/Dennis Smith jr/De'Aaron Fox/Jarrett Allen/Josh Jackson/Frank Ntilika/etc. than the prospects available at 3 this year.

I've watched at least 70% of Noel's games the past two years and he's a (defensive) stud. You guys would absolutely love his attitude and work ethic on the defensive end, plus he's from Boston. Philadelphia was really really poor the last two years, but the defense was quite decent a years ago when he played as a center full time. On the offensive end he's completely reliable from lobs and dishes, but he has some underestimated passing skills and vision.

Also, don't forget Noel was the consensus number one pick in the draft, an injury made him slip to 6. Kentucky absolutely collapsed when Nerlens Noel tore his ACL.

Noel would have been an awful number one pick. Whether or whether not he had an injury he isn't a franchise center piece. I'll agree to disagree on your value of him but you're pitching a low ceiling defensive big to one of the better defensive teams in the league you should probably bring something better than Covington to sweeten the pot.

[galipeautim]

The ridicule mostly derives from giving up a Nets pick for him.

Setting aside the details, you've gotta wonder what in the hell the Kings are doing (as usual). They sign Koufos to a 4 year deal with Cousins under contract for another 2 years, then draft WCS, then follow that up by drafting TWO MORE 7 footers in the 1st round. I mean what in the **** are they possibly thinking for minutes for those two spots? If they don't plan to deal Cousins I really just don't get it.

I think Divac is lowkey preparing to trade Cousins, the way he talked about Papagiannis as a future AllStar adds some weight to this- if Papa G is his guy, he'll probably be less reticent to entertain Cousins trade proposals

Not trading Cousins...can't open a new arena with no crowd. If Cousins gets dealt it will be mid season when most tickets are already sold. Kings are the least likely team in the league to think long-term. Very short sighted mentality.

[Captain_Caveman]

Setting aside the details, you've gotta wonder what in the hell the Kings are doing (as usual). They sign Koufos to a 4 year deal with Cousins under contract for another 2 years, then draft WCS, then follow that up by drafting TWO MORE 7 footers in the 1st round. I mean what in the **** are they possibly thinking for minutes for those two spots? If they don't plan to deal Cousins I really just don't get it.

I think Divac is lowkey preparing to trade Cousins, the way he talked about Papagiannis as a future AllStar adds some weight to this- if Papa G is his guy, he'll probably be less reticent to entertain Cousins trade proposals

Not trading Cousins...can't open a new arena with no crowd. If Cousins gets dealt it will be mid season when most tickets are already sold. Kings are the least likely team in the league to think long-term. Very short sighted mentality.

The shortsighted mentality would be keeping him until he fueds with yet another coach and cuts his trade value in half.

[Banks2Pierce]

"Can't wait to see what window dressing Vivek and the boys are gonna put around DeMarcus this year. I love watching 30 win teams and am definitely going to buy all of the season tickets." Are Kings fans really thinking this?

[galipeautim]

I think Divac is lowkey preparing to trade Cousins, the way he talked about Papagiannis as a future AllStar adds some weight to this- if Papa G is his guy, he'll probably be less reticent to entertain Cousins trade proposals

Not trading Cousins...can't open a new arena with no crowd. If Cousins gets dealt it will be mid season when most tickets are already sold. Kings are the least likely team in the league to think long-term. Very short sighted mentality.

The shortsighted mentality would be keeping him until he fueds with yet another coach and cuts his trade value in half.

precisely, guarantee you the Kings choose that option.

[Crossy2008]

The Kings have a very poorly constructed team. 4 of their 7 best players play the same position, and the only reason it isn't their 4 best player is because McLemore/Gay/Casspi are better than at least one of those 4.

Ownership must think players will flock there because they have a new arena, the Golden 1 Center. Nothing like naming an arena that closely resembles the name of the most dominant team in the league, that also happens to be a couple hours away.

I honestly feel like Sacramento is one of the most under-informed front offices this league has had in a long while.

[AsijsLV]

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[Crossy2008]

If the Kings are not willing to trade Cousins, then that must mean that WCS must be available. Either that or Divac is trying to form a team that sends out three or four centers to start a game.

What makes Sacramento a terrible trade partner is that you probably have to send a player to Sacramento. I mean we got some good nice kids on this team, and if Danny has any feelings whatsoever, then there is no way that he could send a player like Rozier or Hunter to Sacramento.

I would trade the Clippers pick for WCS, maybe even add a Boston pick protected.

[BleedGreen1989]

If the Kings are not willing to trade Cousins, then that must mean that WCS must be available. Either that or Divac is trying to form a team that sends out three or four centers to start a game.

What makes Sacramento a terrible trade partner is that you probably have to send a player to Sacramento. I mean we got some good nice kids on this team, and if Danny has any feelings whatsoever, then there is no way that he could send a player like Rozier or Hunter to Sacramento.

I would trade the Clippers pick for WCS, maybe even add a Boston pick protected.

LOL of course you would. That's an awful low-ball.

[Slartibartfast]

Blake Griffin makes a lot of sense for this team, even if I'm terrified of his impending FA + injury risk + athletic decline + underwhelming advanced stats profile.

Elite scoring and playmaking in the frontcourt. Sort of a Chris Webber on the Kings type of dynamic for us, with defense over offense flavored supporting cast of high-level roleplayers

[soxfan2003]

Kings may be stumbling upon a decent strategy to start a rebuild... Pretend that they are NOT tanking next year so that Philly is in no rush to get better.

If Simmons is half as good as rookie out of high school Lebron, Philly could still be a bottom 2 team in the NBA if Embiid doesn't come through.

Kings let Rondo walk and stink again but halfway through the season, they trade Cousins for pick to the highest bidder to really bottom out.

[DK-All Day]

Kings may be stumbling upon a decent strategy to start a rebuild... Pretend that they are NOT tanking next year so that Philly is in no rush to get better

They aren't that smart lol.

[Salahmanders]

I'm gonna continue to be very okay with not giving up that third pick for Noel unless they threw in the Lakers pick. Noel to me is a C+, B- prospect. I'd have thrown in another pick or other filler to get LA's pick but that would have been my breaking point in negotiations with Philly as well.

Noel came into the league as damaged goods, only has one year before you have to worry about extensions and/or qualifiting offers and that Lakers pick is still protected next year, so there's a chance we wouldn't see it until 2018.

I don't think the offer of Noel, Covington and the the two picks was a bad one at all. Definitely shows they were serious about getting the third pick but I also see an overvaluing of Noel. If he has showed as offensive potential, I'd be all over it but it's not there. The two picks also weren't a fit for needs.

But, can't wait to see what shakes loose after free agency. Hopefully we can revisit Butler at least. Would of been nice to have a carrot to dangle at Durant but better late than never, I guess if we found some middle ground there.

With all due respect, but Noel + LAL '17 pick is crazy. That pick alone is probably worth more than Kris Dunn, Jaylen Brown or whoever Philadelphia would have chosen. I would rather have a shot at Jayson Tatum/Harry Giles/Mark Fultz/Dennis Smith jr/De'Aaron Fox/Jarrett Allen/Josh Jackson/Frank Ntilika/etc. than the prospects available at 3 this year.

I've watched at least 70% of Noel's games the past two years and he's a (defensive) stud. You guys would absolutely love his attitude and work ethic on the defensive end, plus he's from Boston. Philadelphia was really really poor the last two years, but the defense was quite decent a years ago when he played as a center full time. On the offensive end he's completely reliable from lobs and dishes, but he has some underestimated passing skills and vision.

Also, don't forget Noel was the consensus number one pick in the draft, an injury made him slip to 6. Kentucky absolutely collapsed when Nerlens Noel tore his ACL.

Noel would have been an awful number one pick. Whether or whether not he had an injury he isn't a franchise center piece. I'll agree to disagree on your value of him but you're pitching a low ceiling defensive big to one of the better defensive teams in the league you should probably bring something better than Covington to sweeten the pot.

Not as bad as Anthony Bennett! However, to the point, he was the 6th pick, but it was a HORRIBLE draft. None of the top 10 players in that draft would have cracked the top 10 the year Smart came out, and only maybe Noel or Oladipo would have stayed in the lottery. Heck, with what we know now you'd be hard pressed to find 10 guys that stayed in the first round in most drafts...

[Marvel]

"Can't wait to see what window dressing Vivek and the boys are gonna put around DeMarcus this year. I love watching 30 win teams and am definitely going to buy all of the season tickets." Are Kings fans really thinking this?

They're so used to being trash. They're numb to the pain of losing all the time i'd imagine. I mean what's a couple more losing seasons sitting at the bottom 3 to them? Normality. Pathetic.

[Marvel]

If the Kings are not willing to trade Cousins, then that must mean that WCS must be available. Either that or Divac is trying to form a team that sends out three or four centers to start a game.

What makes Sacramento a terrible trade partner is that you probably have to send a player to Sacramento. I mean we got some good nice kids on this team, and if Danny has any feelings whatsoever, then there is no way that he could send a player like Rozier or Hunter to Sacramento.

I would trade the Clippers pick for WCS, maybe even add a Boston pick protected.

It's alright man they have a good coach now. It will take some time but Joeger will get the players on the right path....i think.

[galipeautim]

If the Kings are not willing to trade Cousins, then that must mean that WCS must be available. Either that or Divac is trying to form a team that sends out three or four centers to start a game.

What makes Sacramento a terrible trade partner is that you probably have to send a player to Sacramento. I mean we got some good nice kids on this team, and if Danny has any feelings whatsoever, then there is no way that he could send a player like Rozier or Hunter to Sacramento.

I would trade the Clippers pick for WCS, maybe even add a Boston pick protected.

It's alright man they have a good coach now. It will take some time but Joeger will get the players on the right path....i think.

Idk George Karl won a lot of games with a really bad Nuggets team. Cousins/management screwed up that tenure pretty quickly. I would rate him as one of maybe 5 coaches in the NBA that is an actual difference maker. Not enough to make a difference in Sactown. Not sure they go .500 even after several years of Pops.

[Spin Cycle]

What would it take to get Cousins? I hope it's not BOTH Brooklyn picks.