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A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3

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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#41 » by BlackThatch » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:30 am

Rexperez wrote:I really value jae in terms of team building, i mean you got one of the best, if not the BEST contract for a 3 and D wing, his contract and defensive capability from the 3-4 makes our team easier to build around. If we lose Jae and get griffin in return we do get stronger and be able to challenge the cavs but with Jae we open up a lot more options on the table than what griffin and his soon to be MASSIVE contract would limit our team options. It's a good thing that DA mentioned that he does not want to break the Core if needed. As a lot of people said that Patience is the key. IMO we should not force ourselves in a rental and just wait it out for a year since we both got an up and coming brown with 2017 nets pick and 4 years on Horford and Jae.

Don't forget Danny's not building a team around anyone. The man could trade KG and his impenetrable no-trade clause. When he was asked if Isaiah is the only untradeable guy on our roster, he smiled and said "everybody can be traded, there's no such thing"

Isaiah is the least likely to move, but yeah
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#42 » by Asian Celtic » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:39 am

From a value standpoint i see it as this, IT>Crowder>BK17>Brown>Bradley>BK18>Smart the rest is history.

I may be wrong in a couple of ways but I value the 17 due to the hype of the draft. Some GMS's love the chance at one of em. Brown is next because he shows promise from the SL but if he'd show a solid first year for a 19 yr old rookie then i might catapult him ahead of the 17.

so yeah I value crowder a lot. If he's gone, our versatility takes a BIG hit.
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#43 » by BlackThatch » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:48 am

Does it take a big hit really? He's an undersized SF, and we wanted him to play PF as well. He's no Barkley!

Also you forget Rozier. The Clippers are in dire need of CP3 backup as they only got a ton of MEH guards. Rozier's proving to be huge and we can afford to get rid of him since we got Smart and Jackson after Isaiah. CP3 is 31 now, and if they don't do anything with him, they can trade him too next year and have Terry potentially starting at PG if he shows progress. Don't forget Doc works wonders with point guards. I think Crowder and Rozier improve the Clippers by a ton especially since they play better without Griffin as Smitty stated already
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#44 » by claycarver » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:53 am

Rexperez wrote:From a value standpoint i see it as this, IT>Crowder>BK17>Brown>Bradley>BK18>Smart the rest is history.


I agree for the most part but I think IT, Crowder, BK17, and Brown are in one tier. Bradley, BK18, Smart are in the next tier.
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#45 » by SmartWentCrazy » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:04 pm

WadeItOut wrote:It still makes zero sense for Westbrook to extend right now to a team not of his choosing. He is taking less money with the cap going up next offseason.

And I still trust this

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/754125855786283008


Agreed--Westbrook will control where (if?) he gets traded to by agreeing to a 1 year extension with certain teams.

Because the cap went up, he could sign a deal to increase his salary from 17.8M to 26.5M this year and ~28M the following. In a sense, he will be exchanging ~9M from 2017 to 2016. This also has the added benefit of giving him 10 years of experience come his FA, which allows him to sign a super max of 35% of the cap (as compared to 30% if he did not sign an extension). It makes too much financial and logistical sense for Westbrook to not agree to a 1 year extension of he wants to get traded.

No team will offer enough for OKC to accept a trade without Russ agreeing to this. If he wants out, he'll need to agree to a 1 year extension.
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#46 » by Asian Celtic » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:07 pm

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WadeItOut wrote:It still makes zero sense for Westbrook to extend right now to a team not of his choosing. He is taking less money with the cap going up next offseason.

And I still trust this

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/754125855786283008


Agreed--Westbrook will control where (if?) he gets traded to by agreeing to a 1 year extension with certain teams.

Because the cap went up, he could sign a deal to increase his salary from 17.8M to 26.5M this year and ~28M the following. In a sense, he will be exchanging ~9M from 2017 to 2016. This also has the added benefit of giving him 10 years of experience come his FA, which allows him to sign a super max of 35% of the cap (as compared to 30% if he did not sign an extension). It makes too much financial and logistical sense for Westbrook to not agree to a 1 year extension of he wants to get traded.

No team will offer enough for OKC to accept a trade without Russ agreeing to this. If he wants out, he'll need to agree to a 1 year extension.



Well said.
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#47 » by TheMartian » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:11 pm

claycarver wrote:
Rexperez wrote:From a value standpoint i see it as this, IT>Crowder>BK17>Brown>Bradley>BK18>Smart the rest is history.


I agree for the most part but I think IT, Crowder, BK17, and Brown are in one tier. Bradley, BK18, Smart are in the next tier.


Sort of agree except BKN17 is the most valuable asset for me based on just potential alone. I think any one of Jackson, Giles, Ball, Smith, Fultz or Tatum could be the best player the Celtics will draft since Paul Pierce. Unless, that is, Jaylen proves me wrong. :)
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#48 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:26 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/754289252284952576[/tweet]It seems like this is all I've been doing the past 3 weeks.
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#49 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:43 pm

I ran my decryption program to decipher the screenshot of the time-stamped Twitter message of Deadmik3. I believe he's the real deal.

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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#50 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:53 pm

I could mow the lawn today, or I could continue binge watching X-Files and refreshing this forum.
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#51 » by claycarver » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:55 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:I could mow the lawn today, or I could continue binge watching X-Files and refreshing this forum.


I've let the grass go for flimsier reasons, I can assure you.
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#52 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:07 pm

claycarver wrote:
LarryBirdsFingr wrote:I could mow the lawn today, or I could continue binge watching X-Files and refreshing this forum.


I've let the grass go for flimsier reasons, I can assure you.

i just want scully and Mulder to bang though ya know they get close and every time some BS happens
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#53 » by pinoyceltic » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:16 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/StonewallSieve/status/754300095819083776[/tweet]

Not suprising. He's going back to planet Earth now guys. This tweet suggest that his confidence level is slowly going down. Hahaha.
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#54 » by pinoyceltic » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:20 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:I ran my decryption program to decipher the screenshot of the time-stamped Twitter message of Deadmik3. I believe he's the real deal.

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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#55 » by Asian Celtic » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:30 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:If the price is too high, just find a way to gauge interest from Westbrook/Griffin's people in signing with the Celtics once they're FAs. I know that's against the rules or whatever, but I'm sure teams are still doing it anyway. So while Danny's negotiating a trade with their teams, gauge their willingness to re-sign/extend with the Cs (in case a deal goes down) and at the same time get a sense if we can just sign those guys outright next summer (in case no trade is executed).

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I feel like what I typed made little sense.

If there's a trade, we'll likely get the Yabudabuduu Experience sooner.[tweet]https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/754118823578521600[/tweet]


Is it safe to say yabudabadoo is off the trade table?
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#56 » by Justin33 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:01 pm

These battling twitter insiders remind me of the Psychics fight on South Park [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Tj_l4PcPs[/youtube]
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#57 » by BlackThatch » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:02 pm

Deadmik3's digging his own grave with this Westbrook stuff :)
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#58 » by chakdaddy » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:07 pm

Rexperez wrote:From a value standpoint i see it as this, IT>Crowder>BK17>Brown>Bradley>BK18>Smart the rest is history.

I may be wrong in a couple of ways but I value the 17 due to the hype of the draft. Some GMS's love the chance at one of em. Brown is next because he shows promise from the SL but if he'd show a solid first year for a 19 yr old rookie then i might catapult him ahead of the 17.

so yeah I value crowder a lot. If he's gone, our versatility takes a BIG hit.


Bk17&18 are #1&2 without question. They're our only shots at franchise cornerstones. Borderline allstars and great role players are nowhere near that. We're hesitant to trade those picks for Griffin/Westbrook/Cousins...but you'd trade them for IT or Jae???
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#59 » by sully00 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:12 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
WadeItOut wrote:It still makes zero sense for Westbrook to extend right now to a team not of his choosing. He is taking less money with the cap going up next offseason.

And I still trust this

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/754125855786283008


Agreed--Westbrook will control where (if?) he gets traded to by agreeing to a 1 year extension with certain teams.

Because the cap went up, he could sign a deal to increase his salary from 17.8M to 26.5M this year and ~28M the following. In a sense, he will be exchanging ~9M from 2017 to 2016. This also has the added benefit of giving him 10 years of experience come his FA, which allows him to sign a super max of 35% of the cap (as compared to 30% if he did not sign an extension). It makes too much financial and logistical sense for Westbrook to not agree to a 1 year extension of he wants to get traded.

No team will offer enough for OKC to accept a trade without Russ agreeing to this. If he wants out, he'll need to agree to a 1 year extension.


If Westbrook is focused on going to FA he is not really going to care whether he is going to play one more season in OKC. He could miss the whole season to injury and get a 4 year max next season from 6 teams. I think he might be interested in being traded to a team that he wants to sign with but I really don't see a scenario where he signs an extension except for concern over the CBA.
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Re: A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3 

Post#60 » by Writebloc » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:18 pm

Interesting to note, Jaylen Brown hasn't signed a contract yet...

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