Marcus Smart

[Patsfan1081]

Smart is Kirk Hinrich with more strength and less range. Good player with a frustrating ceiling, somewhat disappointing overall for his draft position but not that disappointing when you look at the guys taken immediately after him.

Elfrid Payton's a better player. More than doubles Smart's career assist rate.

Being a better distributor doesn't make you a better player. Payton also starts and plays 30 minutes a night. Smart is better in almost every advanced statistic, he has more win shares despite playing a decent amount of games less, and for being a poor shooter he has a better ts%. Payton also has a negative bpm. Smart hasn't lived up to the hype, I admit I'm dissapointed with his develope, but he doesn't even have two full seasons under his belt. Players don't stop developing at 22 and let's not forget Smart's shown a much lower usg% than most in his draft class lottery and doesn't usually see thirty minutes a night.

[Patsfan1081]

I like Smart but he's a low ranking starter / good backup. Sucks he was a 6th pick. I love all he does & does a ton of little things that are awesome. But he was not the player he should've taken.

Players taken after Smart -- Jokic, Capela, HOOD, Harris, Nurkic, Lavine, Saric Randle. I wanted Hood at 16. Easy to tell he was going to a good not amazing pro.

But we overrate Smart. I know we all love him & his mindset & whatnot, but compared to other ppl, he really isn't anything special. More of our binky than a great NBA player.

So you would rather have somone that stays overseas for two season and has shot similar to Smart his rookie season to start the season? This thread is amazing with the amount of shade people are throwing at this kid, two good games and everyone will be back on his nards. Amazing how fans flip flop.

[Zaschrona]

Let's put Marcus' numbers into some perspective...

Player A per36 numbers when 22y old: 16.8 PTS, 4.2 REB, 4.7 AST, 1.5 STL, 0.6 BLK, 3.3 TO, 46% FG, 30% 3PT, 53% TS
Player B per36 numbers when 21y old: 16.4 PTS, 4.2 REB, 2.9 AST, 1.5 STL, 0.4 BLK, 1.7 TO, 43% FG, 34% 3PT, 60% TS
Player C per36 numbers when 21y old: 16.0 PTS, 4.8 REB, 4.7 AST, 1.9 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.7 TO, 42% FG, 33% 3PT, 51% TS
Player D per36 numbers when 21y old: 14.5 PTS, 3.1 REB, 5.1 AST, 1.7 STL, 0.1 BLK, 2.8 TO, 37% FG, 32% 3PT, 51% TS
Player E per36 numbers when 21y old: 12.7 PTS, 3.0 REB, 2.3 AST, 1.1 STL, 0.3 BLK, 2.0 TO, 49% FG, 40% 3PT, 55% TS
Player F per36 numbers when 22y old: 12.4 PTS, 4.5 REB, 3.9 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.6 BLK, 2.1 TO, 40% FG, 32% 3PT, 50% TS
Player G per36 numbers when 21y old: 12.1 PTS, 5.5 REB, 3.6 AST, 2.0 STL, 0.4 BLK, 1.7 TO, 35% FG, 25% 3PT, 46% TS
Player H per36 numbers when 22y old: 11.8 PTS, 3.6 REB, 4.9 AST, 0.9 STL, 0.0 BLK, 2.3 TO, 44% FG, 26% 3PT, 52% TS
Player I per36 numbers when 22y old: 10.9 PTS, 5.6 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.1 STL, 0.5 BLK, 1.4 TO, 40% FG, 18% 3PT, 52% TS
Player J per36 numbers when 21y old: 10.6 PTS, 4.4 REB, 5.7 AST, 1.8 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.8 TO, 42% FG, 28% 3PT, 50% TS

It is not too hard to find out which of these players is Marcus Smart. However, it may be quite interesting comparisons:

Spoiler:

Player A is Dwyane Wade
Player B is James Harden
Player C is Victor Oladipo
Player D is Chauncey Billups
Player E is Avery Bradley
Player F is George Hill
Player G is Marcus Smart
Player H is Jarrett Jack
Player I is Jimmy Butler
Player J is Eric Bledsoe

I am quite optimistic about Marcus.

The thing that stand out to me is that his assist numbers are low compared to other PG and his shooting numbers are terrible. Adding SG to the mix hides his poor assist rate. This is my beef with him. He doesn't have a defined position or role.

If his

I think his future is as a SG, not a PG. He has size, he can defend, he potentially has offense as well. He needs to shoot better. That is the key.

[KumaJG]

I am done with Smart...hating on him until he string some good games.

Can we talk about Smart gaining weight now?

[robbie84]

I am done with Smart...hating on him until he string some good games.

Can we talk about Smart gaining weight now?

he had a pretty bad sprain only 3 games ago.
Did you watch him today vs the Wizards? He was arguably our best player overall.

[return2glory]

You guys need to be talking more **** about Smart. He just had a 17 point 3rd quarter.

[shawn unkempt]

All it takes is 1 good game in like 15 to keep the majority of this board interested in him.

[OFWGKTA]

All it takes is 1 good game in like 15 to keep the majority of this board interested in him.

3 straight good games, 75% of the games he's played so far this season, the one bad game was his first game back from injury.

Now shooting 45% on open threes so far this season.

[Banks2Pierce]

All it takes is 1 good game in like 15 to keep the majority of this board interested in him.

3 straight good games, 75% of the games he's played so far this season, the one bad game was his first game back from injury.

Now shooting 45% on open threes so far this season.

He's a starter level player playing the thinnest position in the league as a 22 year old. It's insane that people in this board still think he's interesting apparently.

[Golabki]

All it takes is 1 good game in like 15 to keep the majority of this board interested in him.

Best case for Smart this year was (1) continue to grow as an elite defensive player, (2) improve 3 pt shooting to ~35% or so on good volume, (3) become the go-to offensive player on the second unit increasing his assists, points in the paint and FTAs.

For 1 and 2 we are clearly to early to tell, but he seems fine there so far. And it's worth noting that if he does those two things I think that's enough to make him a top 5 SG in the NBA.

For 3, we haven't seen much evidence of that expanded offensive role yet. I think you can forgive him because (A) it's early, (B) it's a big change, and (C) he started the year injured. However, as a huge Smart fan I have to admit that the odds of Smart ever living up to his offensive potential are getting remote.

[OFWGKTA]

All it takes is 1 good game in like 15 to keep the majority of this board interested in him.

Best case for Smart this year was (1) continue to grow as an elite defensive player, (2) improve 3 pt shooting to ~35% or so on good volume, (3) become the go-to offensive player on the second unit increasing his assists, points in the paint and FTAs.

For 1 and 2 we are clearly to early to tell, but he seems fine there so far. And it's worth noting that if he does those two things I think that's enough to make him a top 5 SG in the NBA.

For 3, we haven't seen much evidence of that expanded offensive role yet. I think you can forgive him because (A) it's early, (B) it's a big change, and (C) he started the year injured. However, as a huge Smart fan I have to admit that the odds of Smart ever living up to his offensive potential are getting remote.

The biggest problem I'm seeing in this regard is that Brad is continuing to use Rozier as the main ball handler when both him and Smart are on the court. We'd be a lot better off with Smart initiating the offense, as he is both a better decision maker and way more in control generally.

[VeryMuchWoke]

His eFG% is up from 40% to 52% on the year. In his last 3 games he 3/6, 1/4 and 4/8 on 3 point attempts. It's way too early to say if his new stroke is legit, but he's probably the second to last guy on the team deserving of criticism (Bradley being the last).

[Iguodaladon]

One of the greatest mysteries in the known universe is why Marcus Smart was ever so highly touted. His scouting reports never sounded like the makings of a future star- you know things are bad when they're speaking intangibles and leadership as your main qualities before you hit 36 years old

Despite this and Randle looking like the better player atm, I'm not gonna bust Ainge about picking him- Gordon, Smart and Randle were all ranked amonge each other at the time of the draft and it was an honest toss up between any 3 of them

[DarkAzcura]

And I was being told in another thread that there is some lovefest for Smart. =p

[FlopShow2013]

I don't believe he is going to live up to the expectorations of becoming a good offensive player.

[TommyPointGawd]

The losing has people acting crazy. Rondo guys will always hate Smart. He has been playing fine. He has been hitting his threes. He has expanded his offensive game. And he still has leadership and intangibles. This team needs some wins badly.

The dude went for 17points/4 threes in a quarter and people somehow made that a negative. People are actually clamoring for Dario Saric and elf payton. To quote a fellow poster.."I can't even"

[jirrit]

Let's put Marcus' numbers into some perspective...

Player A per36 numbers when 22y old: 16.8 PTS, 4.2 REB, 4.7 AST, 1.5 STL, 0.6 BLK, 3.3 TO, 46% FG, 30% 3PT, 53% TS
Player B per36 numbers when 21y old: 16.4 PTS, 4.2 REB, 2.9 AST, 1.5 STL, 0.4 BLK, 1.7 TO, 43% FG, 34% 3PT, 60% TS
Player C per36 numbers when 21y old: 16.0 PTS, 4.8 REB, 4.7 AST, 1.9 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.7 TO, 42% FG, 33% 3PT, 51% TS
Player D per36 numbers when 21y old: 14.5 PTS, 3.1 REB, 5.1 AST, 1.7 STL, 0.1 BLK, 2.8 TO, 37% FG, 32% 3PT, 51% TS
Player E per36 numbers when 21y old: 12.7 PTS, 3.0 REB, 2.3 AST, 1.1 STL, 0.3 BLK, 2.0 TO, 49% FG, 40% 3PT, 55% TS
Player F per36 numbers when 22y old: 12.4 PTS, 4.5 REB, 3.9 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.6 BLK, 2.1 TO, 40% FG, 32% 3PT, 50% TS
Player G per36 numbers when 21y old: 12.1 PTS, 5.5 REB, 3.6 AST, 2.0 STL, 0.4 BLK, 1.7 TO, 35% FG, 25% 3PT, 46% TS
Player H per36 numbers when 22y old: 11.8 PTS, 3.6 REB, 4.9 AST, 0.9 STL, 0.0 BLK, 2.3 TO, 44% FG, 26% 3PT, 52% TS
Player I per36 numbers when 22y old: 10.9 PTS, 5.6 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.1 STL, 0.5 BLK, 1.4 TO, 40% FG, 18% 3PT, 52% TS
Player J per36 numbers when 21y old: 10.6 PTS, 4.4 REB, 5.7 AST, 1.8 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.8 TO, 42% FG, 28% 3PT, 50% TS

It is not too hard to find out which of these players is Marcus Smart. However, it may be quite interesting comparisons:

Spoiler:

Player A is Dwyane Wade
Player B is James Harden
Player C is Victor Oladipo
Player D is Chauncey Billups
Player E is Avery Bradley
Player F is George Hill
Player G is Marcus Smart
Player H is Jarrett Jack
Player I is Jimmy Butler
Player J is Eric Bledsoe

I am quite optimistic about Marcus.

The thing that stand out to me is that his assist numbers are low compared to other PG and his shooting numbers are terrible. Adding SG to the mix hides his poor assist rate. This is my beef with him. He doesn't have a defined position or role.

If his

agreed that he needs to shoot better.. The rest imo is still pretty damn decent if you look at these numbers.. he's still learning, and he'll get there imo.. his future is at sg.. his TO ratio is with the lowest also, that's not a bad stat either. Very good in steals. No I still like the future with Smart. He might have not been the best pick available but it's pretty difficult to always expect that.

[SMTBSI]

All it takes is 1 good game in like 15 to keep the majority of this board interested in him.

Question:

Of course the sample size is way too tiny to put any weight in, but, hypothetically, if he managed to maintain his current scoring numbers (13.5 ppg on .511 TS% and .360 3P%) over the whole season, how would you feel? While not anything to write home about, I'd consider it an acceptable reversed course after his terrifying sophomore slump.


Lots of other factors that can't just be taken for granted, of course: defense needs to get back to what we're familiar with; needs to steal more of the PG duties from Terry and bring that AST% up. Also hopefully his efficiency benefits a bit from reduced USG after Horford and Crowder come back.

I'd take a 12/4/3.5 on .520 TS% with-plus-defense age 23 season. That'd be enough for me to feel a lot less anxious about his trajectory.

[shawn unkempt]

All it takes is 1 good game in like 15 to keep the majority of this board interested in him.

Question:

Of course the sample size is way too tiny to put any weight in, but, hypothetically, if he managed to maintain his current scoring numbers (13.5 ppg on .511 TS% and .360 3P%) over the whole season, how would you feel? While not anything to write home about, I'd consider it an acceptable reversed course after his terrifying sophomore slump.


Lots of other factors that can't just be taken for granted, of course: defense needs to get back to what we're familiar with; needs to steal more of the PG duties from Terry and bring that AST% up. Also hopefully his efficiency benefits a bit from reduced USG after Horford and Crowder come back.

I'd take a 12/4/3.5 on .520 TS% with-plus-defense age 23 season. That'd be enough for me to feel a lot less anxious about his trajectory.

That'd be great but we all know he's not going to be hitting 36% on his 3's for the rest of the season.

[robbie84]

Ok so it's only been a few games, but it's a promising start in the right direction.
His pure FG% is still needs improvement at 41.7% but his 2pfg% is 47%.
His free throw shooting has been horrendous at 45% which should get up to about 75% like last year. He's taking 4 more shots per game and playing All NBA caliber defense as usual.
He is starting to penetrate off the dribble more and this should see his free throw attempts increase and thus=more points and better efficiency.

Here's to crossing our fingers that the numbers get even better.
Would be amazing to have a 15 ppg, 5 assist, 5 rebound season from him with All NBA defense in his 3rd year.