The (Quadruple) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 4.0)

[SmartWentCrazy]

He is a good player who fills a need and might be obtainable without giving up any premium assets. What max contract players are even remotely a possibility? Hayward? Griffin? I don't see either of them leaving their current teams, the rest of the free agent class is a pretty ugly list.

1) For all the reasons people like him, Orlando isn't going to give him away. They need long term assets badly.

2) Hayward, Milsap, Otto Porter, Noel, Gallo, Ibaka, George Hill, KCP. I'd take any of these guys over paying future picks to clog up our cap space with Vuc.

You would take any of those guys at a max deal or close to it over Vuc? Hayward sure and Milsap if the years are short but the rest?? No thanks. Why would Boston be interested in George Hill?

I would take every single one of them at 20MM+ over paying assets for Vuc.

And, given that we currently give Smart ~30 minutes a game, I don't think Stevens would struggle to find Hill a role. Great size, great defense, great shooting. Would love him on our team.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Windhorst is reporting that the Cavs would be willing to part with Love for Melo if New York adds more, preferably another big man. Hmmmmm.......

I really hope not, solely from the stance that I really am tired of Knicks fans trying to sell us players for the BKN picks. If they got Love, they'd absolutely flood our board.

[Parliament10]

1) For all the reasons people like him, Orlando isn't going to give him away. They need long term assets badly.

2) Hayward, Milsap, Otto Porter, Noel, Gallo, Ibaka, George Hill, KCP. I'd take any of these guys over paying future picks to clog up our cap space with Vuc.

You would take any of those guys at a max deal or close to it over Vuc? Hayward sure and Milsap if the years are short but the rest?? No thanks. Why would Boston be interested in George Hill?

I would take every single one of them at 20MM+ over paying assets for Vuc.

And, given that we currently give Smart ~30 minutes a game, I don't think Stevens would struggle to find Hill a role. Great size, great defense, great shooting. Would love him on our team.

Why? -- Why would you do that?

You don't like Vučević? -- He's a walking Double-Double.

[FlatearthZorro]

I would take Vuc over Milsap Ibaka, KCP and Gallo. Easily. Vuc costs 12 mils. ANd if he doesn't take any of Zizic Brown or BKN picks, if it's say Yabu + 1st rounder it's a great deal. Easy!

[SmartWentCrazy]

You would take any of those guys at a max deal or close to it over Vuc? Hayward sure and Milsap if the years are short but the rest?? No thanks. Why would Boston be interested in George Hill?

I would take every single one of them at 20MM+ over paying assets for Vuc.

And, given that we currently give Smart ~30 minutes a game, I don't think Stevens would struggle to find Hill a role. Great size, great defense, great shooting. Would love him on our team.

Why? -- Why would you do that?

You don't like Vučević? -- He's a walking Double-Double.

He's soft and inefficient. His TS% is below .500, which is terrible for a big man. He's slow in his rotations and not a strong defender. He doesn't fit in Stevens system well.

Orlando has had a big man glut since the pre-season, and Vuc complained about it. He cares more about getting his stats than winning. I don't think he makes us any more competitive against Toronto and would rather use the assets we'd trade to acquire him to get an actual physical force down low.

[FlatearthZorro]

You would take any of those guys at a max deal or close to it over Vuc? Hayward sure and Milsap if the years are short but the rest?? No thanks. Why would Boston be interested in George Hill?

I would take every single one of them at 20MM+ over paying assets for Vuc.

And, given that we currently give Smart ~30 minutes a game, I don't think Stevens would struggle to find Hill a role. Great size, great defense, great shooting. Would love him on our team.

Why? -- Why would you do that?

You don't like Vučević? -- He's a walking Double-Double.

Easy 16-17 pts and 10 boards and he's 26 still, entering his prime on a cheap contract.

[Parliament10]

I would take every single one of them at 20MM+ over paying assets for Vuc.

And, given that we currently give Smart ~30 minutes a game, I don't think Stevens would struggle to find Hill a role. Great size, great defense, great shooting. Would love him on our team.

Why? -- Why would you do that?

You don't like Vučević? -- He's a walking Double-Double.

He's soft and inefficient. His TS% is below .500, which is terrible for a big man. He's slow in his rotations and not a strong defender. He doesn't fit in Stevens system well.

Orlando has had a big man glut since the pre-season, and Vuc complained about it. He cares more about getting his stats than winning. I don't think he makes us any more competitive against Toronto and would rather use the assets we'd trade to acquire him to get an actual physical force down low.

You do know, that he's a 14-10, on a bad day?
At a Sweet-Deal of a Contract?

[Parliament10]

I would take every single one of them at 20MM+ over paying assets for Vuc.

And, given that we currently give Smart ~30 minutes a game, I don't think Stevens would struggle to find Hill a role. Great size, great defense, great shooting. Would love him on our team.

Why? -- Why would you do that?

You don't like Vučević? -- He's a walking Double-Double.

Easy 16-17 pts and 10 boards and he's 26 still, entering his prime on a cheap contract.

If they seriously want Amir, Jackson & Yabusele for Vučević???

That's a Done Deal Babé.

[Edug27]

I would take every single one of them at 20MM+ over paying assets for Vuc.

And, given that we currently give Smart ~30 minutes a game, I don't think Stevens would struggle to find Hill a role. Great size, great defense, great shooting. Would love him on our team.

Why? -- Why would you do that?

You don't like Vučević? -- He's a walking Double-Double.

He's soft and inefficient. His TS% is below .500, which is terrible for a big man. He's slow in his rotations and not a strong defender. He doesn't fit in Stevens system well.

Orlando has had a big man glut since the pre-season, and Vuc complained about it. He cares more about getting his stats than winning. I don't think he makes us any more competitive against Toronto and would rather use the assets we'd trade to acquire him to get an actual physical force down low.

It's because you're expecting too much. He's an upgrade over Amir. In almost every possible aspect. He's not the franchise savior... he's not the piece to get us by Cleveland... but he's an upgrade over an existing player, making similar money. If it doesn't cost much, then you do it. Same goes for every other position.

[chrisab123]

I would take every single one of them at 20MM+ over paying assets for Vuc.

And, given that we currently give Smart ~30 minutes a game, I don't think Stevens would struggle to find Hill a role. Great size, great defense, great shooting. Would love him on our team.

Why? -- Why would you do that?

You don't like Vučević? -- He's a walking Double-Double.

He's soft and inefficient. His TS% is below .500, which is terrible for a big man. He's slow in his rotations and not a strong defender. He doesn't fit in Stevens system well.

Orlando has had a big man glut since the pre-season, and Vuc complained about it. He cares more about getting his stats than winning. I don't think he makes us any more competitive against Toronto and would rather use the assets we'd trade to acquire him to get an actual physical force down low.

He's a walking double double. He rebounds. And he's making I believe 11 million next year. Something like that. Hill has great size, sure. But you're essentially telling IT Bradley or Smart to take a hike. Not to mention the team will either draft Fultz Ball or Jackson with the first overall pick if they get it. 2 of the 3 being guards....

[chrisab123]

Why? -- Why would you do that?

You don't like Vučević? -- He's a walking Double-Double.

Easy 16-17 pts and 10 boards and he's 26 still, entering his prime on a cheap contract.

If they seriously want Amir, Jackson & Yabusele for Vučević???

That's a Done Deal Babé.

If for whatever reason Durant decided to opt out and come here all the Celtics would have to do is trade Vuc or Bradley which would be very easy. The Celtics have the assets to clear for a max deal as well so just because they get Vuc doesn't preclude them from getting a max guy.

[Cornbread]

Why the **** do people want to sacrifice our ability to offer a max contract this offseason for Nic Vucevic? Are people serious?

I'm not a big fan of Vucevic, but he would not stop the Celtics from being able to sign a max free agent. His contract is an incredibly movable asset. You could just dump him this summer if needed.

So you want to pay to acquire someone for 36 games, and then pay to dump him? Why would we do that in a year where we're obviously not winning the title? That's just wasting assets.

I know you're not arguing for it, but I don't get why some people are fascinated with wasting future assets for a gain for 36 games that wouldn't make us any more competitive with Cleveland. It's just nuts to me.

Well in theory you would recoup most of those assets if you traded him this summer. If he performs well he'd be a similar value to when you acquired him (less half a season).

[Parliament10]

Bring on the Ć's

Vučević / Nurkić / Žižić

[Curmudgeon]

After waatching last night's game, I want no part of Vucevic. He made Amir Johnson look like an all-star. He puts up empty stats on a losing team. Ibaka is also off my list. Last night he looked around 35 years old.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Why? -- Why would you do that?

You don't like Vučević? -- He's a walking Double-Double.

He's soft and inefficient. His TS% is below .500, which is terrible for a big man. He's slow in his rotations and not a strong defender. He doesn't fit in Stevens system well.

Orlando has had a big man glut since the pre-season, and Vuc complained about it. He cares more about getting his stats than winning. I don't think he makes us any more competitive against Toronto and would rather use the assets we'd trade to acquire him to get an actual physical force down low.

It's because you're expecting too much. He's an upgrade over Amir. In almost every possible aspect. He's not the franchise savior... he's not the piece to get us by Cleveland... but he's an upgrade over an existing player, making similar money. If it doesn't cost much, then you do it. Same goes for every other position.

But he's not making similar money to Amir-- he's not expiring. And Amir's expiring deal is what allows us to offer a max deal this offseason. And I'm not gunna sacrifice that for a soft and inefficient double double that comes at the expense of our defense and makes us no more competitive with Toronto.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Why? -- Why would you do that?

You don't like Vučević? -- He's a walking Double-Double.

He's soft and inefficient. His TS% is below .500, which is terrible for a big man. He's slow in his rotations and not a strong defender. He doesn't fit in Stevens system well.

Orlando has had a big man glut since the pre-season, and Vuc complained about it. He cares more about getting his stats than winning. I don't think he makes us any more competitive against Toronto and would rather use the assets we'd trade to acquire him to get an actual physical force down low.

He's a walking double double. He rebounds. And he's making I believe 11 million next year. Something like that. Hill has great size, sure. But you're essentially telling IT Bradley or Smart to take a hike. Not to mention the team will either draft Fultz Ball or Jackson with the first overall pick if they get it. 2 of the 3 being guards....

And yet, he only grabbed 7 rebounds against our soft team and his team got outrebounded by 10 last night.

Yes, I'll gladly tell Smart to take a hike for George Hill. You wouldn't?

[FlatearthZorro]

After waatching last night's game, I want no part of Vucevic. He made Amir Johnson look like an all-star. He puts up empty stats on a losing team. Ibaka is also off my list. Last night he looked around 35 years old.

Some true to it, but he's relatively young and very cheap(contract wise). He'd easily be the best rebounder on the team.

Ibaka is over 30 years old, easily. No way you can convince me he's 26???!?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Why? -- Why would you do that?

You don't like Vučević? -- He's a walking Double-Double.

He's soft and inefficient. His TS% is below .500, which is terrible for a big man. He's slow in his rotations and not a strong defender. He doesn't fit in Stevens system well.

Orlando has had a big man glut since the pre-season, and Vuc complained about it. He cares more about getting his stats than winning. I don't think he makes us any more competitive against Toronto and would rather use the assets we'd trade to acquire him to get an actual physical force down low.

You do know, that he's a 14-10, on a bad day?
At a Sweet-Deal of a Contract?

There is more to the game of basketball than counting stats.

And, for what it's worth, he could only grab 7 rebounds against Jerebko/Amir/Olynyk, who are not exactly a murderers row of big men.

[Edug27]

He's soft and inefficient. His TS% is below .500, which is terrible for a big man. He's slow in his rotations and not a strong defender. He doesn't fit in Stevens system well.

Orlando has had a big man glut since the pre-season, and Vuc complained about it. He cares more about getting his stats than winning. I don't think he makes us any more competitive against Toronto and would rather use the assets we'd trade to acquire him to get an actual physical force down low.

It's because you're expecting too much. He's an upgrade over Amir. In almost every possible aspect. He's not the franchise savior... he's not the piece to get us by Cleveland... but he's an upgrade over an existing player, making similar money. If it doesn't cost much, then you do it. Same goes for every other position.

But he's not making similar money to Amir-- he's not expiring. And Amir's expiring deal is what allows us to offer a max deal this offseason. And I'm not gunna sacrifice that for a soft and inefficient double double that comes at the expense of our defense and makes us no more competitive with Toronto.

Ahh. You think we are going to sign a free agent to a max deal this summer. Ok. I see our disconnect. Carry on...

[Parliament10]

He's soft and inefficient. His TS% is below .500, which is terrible for a big man. He's slow in his rotations and not a strong defender. He doesn't fit in Stevens system well.

Orlando has had a big man glut since the pre-season, and Vuc complained about it. He cares more about getting his stats than winning. I don't think he makes us any more competitive against Toronto and would rather use the assets we'd trade to acquire him to get an actual physical force down low.

It's because you're expecting too much. He's an upgrade over Amir. In almost every possible aspect. He's not the franchise savior... he's not the piece to get us by Cleveland... but he's an upgrade over an existing player, making similar money. If it doesn't cost much, then you do it. Same goes for every other position.

But he's not making similar money to Amir-- he's not expiring. And Amir's expiring deal is what allows us to offer a max deal this offseason. And I'm not gunna sacrifice that for a soft and inefficient double double that comes at the expense of our defense and makes us no more competitive with Toronto.

He is making similar money. It's a Sweetheart of a deal.


2015-16 -- Age 24 -- $11,250,000
2016-17 -- Age 25 -- $11,750,000
2017-18 -- Age 26 -- $12,250,000
2018-19 -- Age 27 -- $12,750,000