PG Part II: The Summer of George

[ViperGTS]

Tatum+Brown+Brooklyn 18 for Anthony Davis

IT/Hayward/George/Horford/Davis

It would pain me to do that though. I like the young guys

Again. No chance. I'm not giving up 3 BKN picks for anyone in the NBA not named a 23 year old Lebron James.

You absolutely do it. AD will go down as one of the best PF of all time. He is simply unreal.

Uh hu. Right. I'm sure he will, and he's done a sh*tload in NO hasn't he? When Horfords old, IT is old, and the rest what do you have left? Nothing and you are now the Pelican and I'm not even sure they are even with GS right now.

[return2glory]

So what did Woj report?

Most of us here have known for months that Hayward is the prime target.

After that, we also have known that Butler and George were the other targets with Blake as possible target.

Once Butler was traded to the Wolves, George became the target. The plan this summer has been for Ainge to add two more all stars.

So is Woj reporting anything new? I haven't had time to follow most of this.

[SmartWentCrazy]

So I'm gonna theorize how Kaufman is getting his info a little bit. I can't see it happening from within the Celtics organization which was my first guess. Now, I'm guessing that he's getting the his info from Indiana's FO, which could very well be the correct deal in place mind you, in order to trigger other competitive offers around the league. They want someone else to step up and make a stronger offer which would cause the counterintuitive report that they dont want to wait for free Agency. That doesn't make sense on either side to me.

Kaufman is full of crap and just spewing. Woj's report definitely came from Indy, for the reasons you've stated

Not saying Kaufman is trustworthy, but how do we know your friend of a friend in the Celtics FO is telling you the truth? Whatever that is.....what did he tell you ?
and btw, the Celtics FO consists of 5 guys only and they're very tight usually. Ainge, Zarren, Gotham, the other 2 I think is Ainges son plus another one.

You don't. Hell, I don't. I've never said anything other than "hey, I heard something neat from a good friend and figured I'd share". Do with it as you please.

[ConstableGeneva]

You have it completely wrong - him being under contract allows Hayward and Utah to talk. The Jazz can talk to Hayward about anything they want right now. Unlike any other team. Well... legally anyways.

If anything, him waiting to opt out means they are talking right now.

Totally agree here, but don't think he will pull a DeAndre Jordan on us. Let's say theoretically he wants to sign with Boston and both teams are open to a S&T, what pieces would you be interested in?

Confusing tweet alert...

Read on Twitter

CP3 opted out a couple of days ago. He and the Clippers have started talking. So which is which? Can the incumbent team legally communicate with the FA before or after he opts out?

[prov1ml]

The real question is, will Ray Allen's social media be "hacked" again when Hayward gets introduced with #20?

[Green_teamer]

Kaufman broke the original story and has I've said before, has more teeth in the game than someone like Deadmike3. Also remember, we supposedly can't extend Paul George until the 2018 offseason with the possibly he can still walk; it's perfectly reasonable the Celtics only have to give up the LAL/SAC pick as far as major assets for essentially a rental.

If it's Kaufman vs your 2nd hand source (friend of a friend), I have no reason not to take Kaufman at this point. If you can't say anything prior, there's no way to prove if you were right (unless you're gonna PM a mod the full proposal). So that said, easy on the guy with the Twitter checkmark.

Yup say what you want about Kaufman he broke this story 3 days ago..he deserves some credit. Noone really believed him but woj just confirmed he wasn't spewing nonsense

Read on Twitter

Kaufman took a stab at guess what Woj reported a day earlier. Same thing he did in the above.

Believe me if you want, or don't-- I honestly couldn't care less. I just made my post because I heard something interesting and wanted to share it with the dudes I enjoy talking hoops with.

I'm not putting you down I'm just saying he was the first one to report it and he clearly was right . Maybe not everything he said but there a plan to get both

[Crossy2008]

This is a repost from the previous thread.

I have told myself several times that sign and trades are dead. But, it might be possible to sign and trade Hayward while keeping Avery.

I would need some cap experts to weigh in here to be sure.

Hayward is set to make $29,700,000 if he signs with any team but the the Jazz.

If the Celtics keep Horford/Bradley/Zeller/Thomas/Crowder/Brown/Smart/Rozier/Tatum they would have $74,729,324 on the books.

That leaves $24,270,626 in cap space, if the cap is exactly $99 mil.

Can't the Celtics cover the 75% of the Hayward's contract with their cap space, which would be $22,750,000? They could trade Rozier and the LAC pick, plus the trade exception.

That would leave both Zeller and Crowder available to trade for George for salary purposes.

Someone please tell me why this is not possible.

sign and trades are complicated because of BYC rule.
So Hayward's 29,7 would count as 14,9 outgoing. Ideal trade would be s&t Olynyk (for 14m/y), then send it to Jazz with Zeller.
Olynyk BYC would be 7 + Zeller 8...15 outgoing. But for numbers to work we should put Jackson or Mickey in trade too.

I believe that if we do that sign&trade (Olynyk, Zeller and Jackson (both can be waived by Jazz, and they were high on Olynyk if i remember correctly) for Hayward.

If we do that we would be over the cap and have MLE.

If we talk to PG13 that he re-sign to Pacers and then is traded to us...if his 2017/18 salary is 23,5m then we must send Pacers at least 18,8m in combine salary. Bradley & Crowder are 15,6m...we are 3,2m short...Mickey and Yabusele

So:
Hayward for Olynyk, Zeller, Jackson and 1-2 second round picks
Resigned George for Bradley, Crowder, Mickey, Yabusele and 2 non-brk picks

Roster:
Thomas / Rozier / Allen
Brown / Smart / Bird
Hayward / Oleyele / Nader
George / MLE / Theis
Horford / Žižić / vet.min

I'm sorry if i make mistake in my calculation

Can't we just use our cap space to send in a trade to Utah to meet the salary requirements? I'm sure Utah would be happy to receive a trade exception along with a pick and a decent prospect like Rozier in return. The idea I was going for was using Zeller to get George and keeping Bradley.

[Celts17Pride]

Felger said 98.5 has an insider who is sneaky connected and the deal is
Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lakers Pick
Mephis pick
Clipper pick

This kind of trade only happens with an extension

[Edug27]

Paul George does not like playing the 4. He's said as much.

[j_dlt]

REPOST FROM LAST THREAD

So was thinking of ways to renegotiate George to a max (or close to it), and also getting Hayward. Since we wouldn't have any cap room after signing Hayward, the thought is we wouldn't be able to, or would have to give up a ton of players. I found another way where we can renegotiate George next year for $28,055,329 plus a 2 year extension. Not quite the max, but it would be a $8,546,371 dollar increase for next year and he would actually make him $7,921,862 more than if he waited to resign for a 2+1 max contract.

So going into FA our roster would be Horford, Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, Olynyk, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Zizic, Rozier, and Zeller (yes picking up his option).

Step 1: Hayward commitment to come to Boston

Step 2: Trade Crowder, Zeller, and picks for George.

This would bring our salary to $88,822,399. With two roster charges, our cap room is $8,546,371.

Step 3: Use remaining cap space to renegotiate George to $28,055,329 with a 2 year extension.

If George were to wait to resign to a 2+1 next year he would be getting $83,156,958 over the next 3 years, if he does this renegotiation and extension he would be getting $91,078,820 over 3 years.

Step 4: Sign and Trade Olynyk (15 million) plus Bradley to Utah for Hayward (29.7 million).

Step 5: Fill Out Roster with Vet Minimums

Final Roster: Thomas, Horford, Hayward, George, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Zizic, plus vet minimums.

There is a lot to this, so I feel like it is unlikely to happen, but there definitely is a way to land both Hayward and George, plus renegotiate George where he will actually make more money than resigning.

[GregB]

I still think Davis is THE guy ultimately. Not yet, but soon.

Al Horford contract, a top 5 pick and an young talent probably get that done next year if he is on the block.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

Dam he better be signing in extension with that package.

[Andrew McCeltic]

You have it completely wrong - him being under contract allows Hayward and Utah to talk. The Jazz can talk to Hayward about anything they want right now. Unlike any other team. Well... legally anyways.

If anything, him waiting to opt out means they are talking right now.

Totally agree here, but don't think he will pull a DeAndre Jordan on us. Let's say theoretically he wants to sign with Boston and both teams are open to a S&T, what pieces would you be interested in?

Confusing tweet alert...

Read on Twitter

CP3 opted out a couple of days ago. He and the Clippers have started talking. So which is which? Can the incumbent team legally communicate with the FA before or after he opts out?

That would actually bode well for a sign and trade..

[CavemanDoctor]

Felger said 98.5 has an insider who is sneaky connected and the deal is
Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lakers Pick
Mephis pick
Clipper pick

Smart and the Clippers pick thrown in too? PG better be extended, and even then I'm hoping Danny negotiates a little more shrewdly.

[return2glory]

Felger said 98.5 has an insider who is sneaky connected and the deal is
Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lakers Pick
Mephis pick
Clipper pick

Take Smart out of that deal. Add Rozier.

That was be a huge mistake. Bradley, Smart, and Crowder are this team's identity on defense. George wasn't even an all-star last year. I like George but he isn't the same player he was 2 years ago.

[Jakeopp]

So I'm gonna theorize how Kaufman is getting his info a little bit. I can't see it happening from within the Celtics organization which was my first guess. Now, I'm guessing that he's getting the his info from Indiana's FO, which could very well be the correct deal in place mind you, in order to trigger other competitive offers around the league. They want someone else to step up and make a stronger offer which would cause the counterintuitive report that they dont want to wait for free Agency. That doesn't make sense on either side to me.

Kaufman is full of crap and just spewing. Woj's report definitely came from Indy, for the reasons you've stated

Kaufman broke the original story and has I've said before, has more teeth in the game than someone like Deadmike3. Also remember, we supposedly can't extend Paul George until the 2018 offseason with the possibly he can still walk; it's perfectly reasonable the Celtics only have to give up the LAL/SAC pick as far as major assets for essentially a rental.

If it's Kaufman vs your 2nd hand source (friend of a friend), I have no reason not to take Kaufman at this point. If you can't say anything prior, there's no way to prove if you were right (unless you're gonna PM a mod the full proposal). So that said, easy on the guy with the Twitter checkmark.

This would feel like a pretty big overpay for a potential one year rental. If that pick lands at 2-4 next year then it's gold.

[Celtic Esquire]

Felger said 98.5 has an insider who is sneaky connected and the deal is
Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lakers Pick
Mephis pick
Clipper pick

Felger doesn't know his butt from his elbow so I would be shocked if Indy were able to land that package.

That is a huge haul for them and twice what Chicago gave up for Butler.

[GregB]

REPOST FROM LAST THREAD

So was thinking of ways to renegotiate George to a max (or close to it), and also getting Hayward. Since we wouldn't have any cap room after signing Hayward, the thought is we wouldn't be able to, or would have to give up a ton of players. I found another way where we can renegotiate George next year for $28,055,329 plus a 2 year extension. Not quite the max, but it would be a $8,546,371 dollar increase for next year and he would actually make him $7,921,862 more than if he waited to resign for a 2+1 max contract.

So going into FA our roster would be Horford, Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, Olynyk, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Zizic, Rozier, and Zeller (yes picking up his option).

Step 1: Hayward commitment to come to Boston

Step 2: Trade Crowder, Zeller, and picks for George.

This would bring our salary to $88,822,399. With two roster charges, our cap room is $8,546,371.

Step 3: Use remaining cap space to renegotiate George to $28,055,329 with a 2 year extension.

If George were to wait to resign to a 2+1 next year he would be getting $83,156,958 over the next 3 years, if he does this renegotiation and extension he would be getting $91,078,820 over 3 years.

Step 4: Sign and Trade Olynyk (15 million) plus Bradley to Utah for Hayward (29.7 million).

Step 5: Fill Out Roster with Vet Minimums

Final Roster: Thomas, Horford, Hayward, George, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Zizic, plus vet minimums.

There is a lot to this, so I feel like it is unlikely to happen, but there definitely is a way to land both Hayward and George, plus renegotiate George where he will actually make more money than resigning.

Pretty sure that doesn't work. Kelly Olynyk would be a BYC player and his contract would only count as half in any trade.

[Elrod is Back]

Felger said 98.5 has an insider who is sneaky connected and the deal is
Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lakers Pick
Mephis pick
Clipper pick

too much, plus would require some fancy footwork because we have to clear capspace first to sign Hayward (or Griffin) and that means either Rozier or Smart must be traded for a draft pick. So if we trade Rozier to create space, and then trade Smart to get George, we have no backcourt except IT and Brown.

Plus, that is simply way too much. Who are we competing with that is offering anything remotely close to that? No one, No one else can offer anything like this and no one else will.

Crowder, Bradley, LAL/Sac no. 1 and LAC no. 1 is a fine fine package. No Smart. Mo Memphis pick. Let's see the Bullets top that, or Cleveland, or the Clippers. They can't.

[rickrolled]

Kaufman is full of crap and just spewing. Woj's report definitely came from Indy, for the reasons you've stated

Not saying Kaufman is trustworthy, but how do we know your friend of a friend in the Celtics FO is telling you the truth? Whatever that is.....what did he tell you ?
and btw, the Celtics FO consists of 5 guys only and they're very tight usually. Ainge, Zarren, Gotham, the other 2 I think is Ainges son plus another one.

You don't. Hell, I don't. I've never said anything other than "hey, I heard something neat from a good friend and figured I'd share". Do with it as you please.

But you havent shared anything yet. Just that your friend of a friend told you stuff.