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Re: "A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ Sports Illustrated (aka. Taking a Knee) 

Post#41 » by ZeroTolerance » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:50 pm

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fallguy wrote:As a Canadian, it is really hard to process the American fetishizing of the flag/anthem.


I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and think it is just as ubiquitous up north. Maybe more in an identity context than pure nationalism, but you guys are just as into your flag, IMO.


I too have witnessed this in my travels and relationships built over many years...Their news usually features American stories which tend to be negative...it's not anything racial though....it's more of a nationalistic thing....

Example: At a sporting event such as stock car racing for instance where both Americans and Canadians compete....They may not stand for our anthem.....but they would likely stand and sing their own anthem...be it in French or English....

Though my friends up there are nice to me personally, they can be a bit "clannish too".....(in the Scottish sense) ... (not KKK)...

It would be easy though, listening to their nightly news, to get the impression that they might think they are a bit better than us?..Because they don't have all the social issues that we do....

Another thing...As an American, I feel right at home for the most part up there....accept when I'm in Quebec where French is spoken much more than English....There, you really get the feeling that you are in a foreign country....That's my two cents....
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Post#42 » by captain green » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:55 pm

People who voted for him and doesn't watch sports because he said so are part the problem. We never had a president that talks so much **** and hate. He wants to take down the film industry the nfl and the nba. This is the same guy that said

"Dwyane Wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in Chicago. Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!" –Donald Trump
The diluted privileged mentality of this man is seriously messed up. Several lies, several things said that are so bad it unfortunate. And it is dangerous because whether he knows its or not it make these crude people feel like they have a guy in charge that backs their point of veiw. We are in serious threshold and like it or not racism exist and it is separating us at a ridiculous rate. I'd rather kneel with cap than stand with trump. My line has been drawn in the sand in 2000 when I swore an oath in the air force. Now I see anyone hurting somesomeone because the color of skin or choice of sexuality or religion I will speak out immediately. My grandfather served with an african american man that saved his life and I'm not about to let trump and a handful of nazi's(alt right) take us back a 100 years. I hope every sport everyone pulls toghter against these racists.
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Re: "A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ Sports Illustrated (aka. Taking a Knee) 

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fallguy wrote:As a Canadian, it is really hard to process the American fetishizing of the flag/anthem.


I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and think it is just as ubiquitous up north. Maybe more in an identity context than pure nationalism, but you guys are just as into your flag, IMO.


I don't disagree with any of that. The nationalism is the distinction for me.

To the extent I hear it here, I have never understood the need to proclaim country X the best on Earth. It rankles me when anyone does that - particularly those that aren't well traveled.


Right on, but IYO, what would the reaction be if someone set your flag on fire in a public setting? Or if a black or First Nations player took a knee during your anthem to protest Canada's treatment of their people?

Wouldn't be as bad a reaction as in the States, but it would be pretty bad.
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Re: "A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ Sports Illustrated (aka. Taking a Knee) 

Post#44 » by Slartibartfast » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:00 pm

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fallguy wrote:As a Canadian, it is really hard to process the American fetishizing of the flag/anthem.


I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and think it is just as ubiquitous up north. Maybe more in an identity context than pure nationalism, but you guys are just as into your flag, IMO.


I don't disagree with any of that. The nationalism is the distinction for me.

To the extent I hear it here, I have never understood the need to proclaim country X the best on Earth. It rankles me when anyone does that - particularly those that aren't well traveled.


What's hard to understand about this? People are competitive. They want to go to the best schools, they want their kids to excel, they want to win. Chauvinism is pretty natural.
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Re: "A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ Sports Illustrated (aka. Taking a Knee) 

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fallguy wrote:As a Canadian, it is really hard to process the American fetishizing of the flag/anthem.


I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and think it is just as ubiquitous up north. Maybe more in an identity context than pure nationalism, but you guys are just as into your flag, IMO.


I was at the gym this morning and some old guys were talking about how a hockey player was thinking about taking a knee on opening night. These guys absolutely freaked out about it. I got out of there quickly because I didn't want to hear it, but yeah, basically the same takes you see on TV from old Republicans.

This is my pet-peeve with Canada (and don't worry, I'm Canadian) - we like to look down at what's going on in the south and act as if we're better. Meanwhile, we've got indigenous people being treated just as unfairly (maybe worse!) as minorities in America. We turn a blind eye to their problems with alcoholism and substance abuse, the living conditions in some of their reservations are deplorable (some don't even have drinking water, and the suicide rates are high compared to the rest of the country), and of course, no one has done a damn thing about the alarming rate of indigenous women that go missing each year (no one really looks for them).

And when they try to protest these issues to bring attention to it, everyone's reaction is "WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY COMPLAINING ABOUT? THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES, AND THEY GET TO GO TO UNIVERSITY FOR FREE!!! GO TO SCHOOL AND GET A JOB!!" It is pretty disgraceful that this attitude still exists, seeing as how we're not even 1 generation removed from residential schools (i.e. taking away children from their families and sending them to custodial schools as a means to assimilate them.....or as I like to call it - destroy their own culture completely). The stories that have come out about the mistreatment and abuse of Aboriginals while attending these schools is shameful.

Genocide of indigenous peoples, not honoring treaties, followed by the implementation of residential schools, pretty much has destroyed any chance of indigenous people getting a fair shake in Canada.
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Post#46 » by sprash9802 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:05 pm

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Captain_Caveman wrote:
I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and think it is just as ubiquitous up north. Maybe more in an identity context than pure nationalism, but you guys are just as into your flag, IMO.


I don't disagree with any of that. The nationalism is the distinction for me.

To the extent I hear it here, I have never understood the need to proclaim country X the best on Earth. It rankles me when anyone does that - particularly those that aren't well traveled.


What's hard to understand about this? People are competitive. They want to go to the best schools, they want their kids to excel, they want to win. Chauvinism is pretty natural.


While what you say makes total sense, it's the complete lack of a frame of reference for most of these people that baffles me. Most of them haven't stepped out of their states, some have not even left their own county. And to add to this, I never understood commercialization of the national anthem/song. There should be ONLY one way to sing it. It's not meant to be butchered by pop artists to prove their vocal prowess. And the clapping during the anthem is really weird too...

Just my 2 cents as someone from the outside looking in... :)
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Re: "A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ Sports Illustrated (aka. Taking a Knee) 

Post#47 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:06 pm

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Captain_Caveman wrote:
fallguy wrote:As a Canadian, it is really hard to process the American fetishizing of the flag/anthem.


I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and think it is just as ubiquitous up north. Maybe more in an identity context than pure nationalism, but you guys are just as into your flag, IMO.


I too have witnessed this in my travels and relationships built over many years...Their news usually features American stories which tend to be negative...it's not anything racial though....it's more of a nationalistic thing....

Example: At a sporting event such as stock car racing for instance where both Americans and Canadians compete....They may not stand for our anthem.....but they would likely stand and sing their own anthem...be it in French or English....



You might have a few pockets of anti-American sentiment here and there, but it's a very small minority. For the most part, Canadians love Americans. How many Americans know the Canadian anthem? I'm not sure, nor do I care. What I can tell you is that if you're a Canadian sports fan, chances are good that you can probably sing the whole US anthem with ease. :lol:



EDIT: Never mind what I said. God Bless America!!!

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Post#48 » by fallguy » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:14 pm

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Captain_Caveman wrote:
I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and think it is just as ubiquitous up north. Maybe more in an identity context than pure nationalism, but you guys are just as into your flag, IMO.


I don't disagree with any of that. The nationalism is the distinction for me.

To the extent I hear it here, I have never understood the need to proclaim country X the best on Earth. It rankles me when anyone does that - particularly those that aren't well traveled.


Right on, but IYO, what would the reaction be if someone set your flag on fire in a public setting? Or if a black or First Nations player took a knee during your anthem to protest Canada's treatment of their people?

Wouldn't be as bad a reaction as in the States, but it would be pretty bad.


With flag burning, I think there would be reactionaries that would flip out on all sides, mostly on the right who like, as in the U.S, to pain things in stark, stupid 'love it or leave it' terms. But the overall response would probably be more muted. Part of that is the channels for amplification. Right wing media, and broadly sensationalistic media in general, are far less prevalent. That said, Canada is mostly left of center - especially on social issues. Democrats would be regarded as compromised centrists in Canada, and marginally right wing on fiscal issues.

The 'First Nations taking a knee' example is interesting. It's a despicable legacy wrt the First Nations in Canada and there's quite a bit of guilt and shame about it in the population. At least when it's brought up. It's hardly front of mind for most. I think it would be received very differently here though, as it was last year when Gord Downie (a Canadian musical icon and one of the greatest frontmen in rock history) used the platform of the final tour of his band to bring broader attention to issues of the residential school crisis.

As someone who loves both countries (and is working on a plan to maybe move to California) I see the biggest differences between the two as the way each treats education, health care, criminal justice and international interventionism. That's where the (interesting) debates lie...
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Post#49 » by fallguy » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:17 pm

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ZeroTolerance wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and think it is just as ubiquitous up north. Maybe more in an identity context than pure nationalism, but you guys are just as into your flag, IMO.


I too have witnessed this in my travels and relationships built over many years...Their news usually features American stories which tend to be negative...it's not anything racial though....it's more of a nationalistic thing....

Example: At a sporting event such as stock car racing for instance where both Americans and Canadians compete....They may not stand for our anthem.....but they would likely stand and sing their own anthem...be it in French or English....



You might have a few pockets of anti-American sentiment here and there, but it's a very small minority. For the most part, Canadians love Americans. How many Americans know the Canadian anthem? I'm not sure, nor do I care. What I can tell you is that if you're a Canadian sports fan, chances are good that you can probably sing the whole US anthem with ease. :lol:



EDIT: Never mind what I said. God Bless America!!!



I love Toronto and have lived there but cannot stand Toronto sports fans. This being a notable exception.
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Re: "A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ Sports Illustrated (aka. Taking a Knee) 

Post#50 » by Captain_Caveman » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:25 pm

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Captain_Caveman wrote:
fallguy wrote:As a Canadian, it is really hard to process the American fetishizing of the flag/anthem.


I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and think it is just as ubiquitous up north. Maybe more in an identity context than pure nationalism, but you guys are just as into your flag, IMO.


I was at the gym this morning and some old guys were talking about how a hockey player was thinking about taking a knee on opening night. These guys absolutely freaked out about it. I got out of there quickly because I didn't want to hear it, but yeah, basically the same takes you see on TV from old Republicans.

This is my pet-peeve with Canada (and don't worry, I'm Canadian) - we like to look down at what's going on in the south and act as if we're better. Meanwhile, we've got indigenous people being treated just as unfairly (maybe worse!) as minorities in America. We turn a blind eye to their problems with alcoholism and substance abuse, the living conditions in some of their reservations are deplorable (some don't even have drinking water, and the suicide rates are high compared to the rest of the country), and of course, no one has done a damn thing about the alarming rate of indigenous women that go missing each year (no one really looks for them).

And when they try to protest these issues to bring attention to it, everyone's reaction is "WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY COMPLAINING ABOUT? THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES, AND THEY GET TO GO TO UNIVERSITY FOR FREE!!! GO TO SCHOOL AND GET A JOB!!" It is pretty disgraceful that this attitude still exists, seeing as how we're not even 1 generation removed from residential schools (i.e. taking away children from their families and sending them to custodial schools as a means to assimilate them.....or as I like to call it - destroy their own culture completely). The stories that have come out about the mistreatment and abuse of Aboriginals while attending these schools is shameful.

Genocide of indigenous peoples, not honoring treaties, followed by the implementation of residential schools, pretty much has destroyed any chance of indigenous people getting a fair shake in Canada.


Nice post. Had traveled widely across Canada and even did a semester of grad school at UBC for the hell of it. I understood the need for Canadians to differentiate themselves from America(ns), but still got a kick out of how it's pretty much the exact same thing.

A couple of my favorite gotchas... was once in a quiet bar with my wife in Quebec City around the year 2000, and the bartender obviously had a bunch of hangups about the States (she was French-Canadian, and there's a lot of them in my experience who are having some sort of identity crisis lol). There was some awards show on the TV, and Pamela Anderson was presenting for some reason. To tweak me, she said, "Ah, look. Pamela Anderson. The epitome of American excess and shallow culture!"

I'm like, "You know she's Canadian, right?" Lmaoooo.

Had a few others in class at UBC circa 2006. Professor and several students just had a need to chirp at me over George Bush and Iraq, neither of which I supported. They would scoff when I pointed out that I had spent most of my life to that point living in Boston and SF, which were probably more liberal places than even Canada was. After being goaded about Bush one too many times, I declared that the next US President would be either a woman or a black man. They literally laughed out loud, and I hope they remember that.

One other one... got mocked for not speaking a second language, which is fair enough. My excuse was that living on Boston, there really wasn't a logical 2nd language to learn in the same way Canadians all learn French. They said, what about Spanish? Which was also fair enough. Told them that there really weren't that many Mexicans in Boston growing up, and that Vancouver was actually closer to Mexico than Boston. We had to pull out a globe, but got eeeeem lol.

Anyhow, there was no point to this post. Sorry haha.
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Post#51 » by fallguy » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:27 pm

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fallguy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and think it is just as ubiquitous up north. Maybe more in an identity context than pure nationalism, but you guys are just as into your flag, IMO.


I don't disagree with any of that. The nationalism is the distinction for me.

To the extent I hear it here, I have never understood the need to proclaim country X the best on Earth. It rankles me when anyone does that - particularly those that aren't well traveled.


What's hard to understand about this? People are competitive. They want to go to the best schools, they want their kids to excel, they want to win. Chauvinism is pretty natural.


If you've never (or barely) left your own country, it's probably better not to make such proclamations. That's basically my point. And it only applies to those it applies to. Reflexive nationalism is toxic and almost always ignorant.

Also it's so subjective as to be meaningless in the way it's usually presented.
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Post#52 » by fallguy » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:28 pm

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Captain_Caveman wrote:
I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and think it is just as ubiquitous up north. Maybe more in an identity context than pure nationalism, but you guys are just as into your flag, IMO.


I was at the gym this morning and some old guys were talking about how a hockey player was thinking about taking a knee on opening night. These guys absolutely freaked out about it. I got out of there quickly because I didn't want to hear it, but yeah, basically the same takes you see on TV from old Republicans.

This is my pet-peeve with Canada (and don't worry, I'm Canadian) - we like to look down at what's going on in the south and act as if we're better. Meanwhile, we've got indigenous people being treated just as unfairly (maybe worse!) as minorities in America. We turn a blind eye to their problems with alcoholism and substance abuse, the living conditions in some of their reservations are deplorable (some don't even have drinking water, and the suicide rates are high compared to the rest of the country), and of course, no one has done a damn thing about the alarming rate of indigenous women that go missing each year (no one really looks for them).

And when they try to protest these issues to bring attention to it, everyone's reaction is "WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY COMPLAINING ABOUT? THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES, AND THEY GET TO GO TO UNIVERSITY FOR FREE!!! GO TO SCHOOL AND GET A JOB!!" It is pretty disgraceful that this attitude still exists, seeing as how we're not even 1 generation removed from residential schools (i.e. taking away children from their families and sending them to custodial schools as a means to assimilate them.....or as I like to call it - destroy their own culture completely). The stories that have come out about the mistreatment and abuse of Aboriginals while attending these schools is shameful.

Genocide of indigenous peoples, not honoring treaties, followed by the implementation of residential schools, pretty much has destroyed any chance of indigenous people getting a fair shake in Canada.


Nice post. Had traveled widely across Canada and even did a semester of grad school at UBC for the hell of it. I understood the need for Canadians to differentiate themselves from America(ns), but still got a kick out of how it's pretty much the exact same thing.

A couple of my favorite gotchas... was once in a quiet bar with my wife in Quebec City around the year 2000, and the bartender obviously had a bunch of hangups about the States (she was French-Canadian, and there's a lot of them in my experience who are having some sort of identity crisis lol). There was some awards show on the TV, and Pamela Anderson was presenting for some reason. To tweak me, she said, "Ah, look. Pamela Anderson. The epitome of American excess and shallow culture!"

I'm like, "You know she's Canadian, right?" Lmaoooo.

Had a few others in class at UBC circa 2006. Professor and several students just had a need to chirp at me over George Bush and Iraq, neither of which I supported. They would scoff when I pointed out that I had spent most of my life to that point living in Boston and SF, which were probably more liberal places than even Canada was. After being goaded about Bush one too many times, I declared that the next US President would be either a woman or a black man. They literally laughed out loud, and I hope they remember that.

One other one... got mocked for not speaking a second language, which is fair enough. My excuse was that living on Boston, there really wasn't a logical 2nd language to learn in the same way Canadians all learn French. They said, what about Spanish? Which was also fair enough. Told them that there really weren't that many Mexicans in Boston growing up, and that Vancouver was actually closer to Mexico than Boston. We had to pull out a globe, but got eeeeem lol.

Anyhow, there was no point to this post. Sorry haha.


Ah yes. Reflexive Canadian (alleged) superiority. So stupid.

UBC is a great school/campus.
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Post#53 » by ZeroTolerance » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:43 pm

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This is my pet-peeve with Canada (and don't worry, I'm Canadian) - we like to look down at what's going on in the south and act as if we're better. Meanwhile, we've got indigenous people being treated just as unfairly (maybe worse!) as minorities in America. We turn a blind eye to their problems with alcoholism and substance abuse, the living conditions in some of their reservations are deplorable (some don't even have drinking water, and the suicide rates are high compared to the rest of the country), and of course, no one has done a damn thing about the alarming rate of indigenous women that go missing each year (no one really looks for them).

And when they try to protest these issues to bring attention to it, everyone's reaction is "WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY COMPLAINING ABOUT? THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES, AND THEY GET TO GO TO UNIVERSITY FOR FREE!!! GO TO SCHOOL AND GET A JOB!!" It is pretty disgraceful that this attitude still exists, seeing as how we're not even 1 generation removed from residential schools (i.e. taking away children from their families and sending them to custodial schools as a means to assimilate them.....or as I like to call it - destroy their own culture completely). The stories that have come out about the mistreatment and abuse of Aboriginals while attending these schools is shameful.

Genocide of indigenous peoples, not honoring treaties, followed by the implementation of residential schools, pretty much has destroyed any chance of indigenous people getting a fair shake in Canada.


I've observed this behavior in Nova Scotia around the Inland sea near Baddec and in and around Sydney NS......It is pretty sad the way some of the tribes live...But it's almost like they would rather just be left alone to hunt and fish and live a life apart from the high tech world....They see things differently.....and are corrupted more by alcohol abuse and having stuff given to them....It eats at their core...and seemingly tends to destroy them more than it helps them.

Strangely, I know many Canadian folks who will wait in gas lines at these reservations to buy cheep tax and GSP free gasoline....I always thought this was strange.....but its a common and excepted practice I guess?

In Maine, we have similar problems...and reactions...It's just not good when cultures clash....There are allot of hurt feelings and lives have been destroyed..

I guess problems exist everywhere?
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Post#54 » by Captain_Caveman » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:46 pm

fallguy wrote:With flag burning, I think there would be reactionaries that would flip out on all sides, mostly on the right who like, as in the U.S, to pain things in stark, stupid 'love it or leave it' terms. But the overall response would probably be more muted. Part of that is the channels for amplification. Right wing media, and broadly sensationalistic media in general, are far less prevalent. That said, Canada is mostly left of center - especially on social issues. Democrats would be regarded as compromised centrists in Canada, and marginally right wing on fiscal issues.

The 'First Nations taking a knee' example is interesting. It's a despicable legacy wrt the First Nations in Canada and there's quite a bit of guilt and shame about it in the population. At least when it's brought up. It's hardly front of mind for most. I think it would be received very differently here though, as it was last year when Gord Downie (a Canadian musical icon and one of the greatest frontmen in rock history) used the platform of the final tour of his band to bring broader attention to issues of the residential school crisis.

As someone who loves both countries (and is working on a plan to maybe move to California) I see the biggest differences between the two as the way each treats education, health care, criminal justice and international interventionism. That's where the (interesting) debates lie...


Right on. Although I do maintain that there is probably a solid 20% of Americans who are even more liberal than Canadians. Would also point out that Canadians basically live the exact same fossil-fuel dependent collective lifestyle that drives much of our foreign policy, even if a greater percentage of the oil used is their own.

I mean, while I can criticize America's faults all day, and it is less applicable to Canada or Australia than Western Europe, I am just nationalist enough to point out that the US is the #1 reason why the Western World has enjoyed the most peaceful and prosperous lifestyle in human history since WW2. We drive the overwhelming bulk of the innovations in technology and health care, and our economic and military might is a massively stabilizing force for the global economy. Other Western countries participate in all that, but do not pay their fair share of the costs and derive far more benefits than what they put in. Only thing I agree with Trump on, quite frankly. So the criticisms of the US should only go so far, IMO.

Had an intern from France last summer, who would give me the standard lectures about how we suck lol. Almost got to a point where I had to tell her that (a) my grandfather was at Normandy on D-Day to liberate her people, and that (b) a major reason they had universal health care and we didn't was that we were paying for their national security with our massive military expenditures.

As to Canada, a major difference in many of the differences IMO is that you guys cherrypick your immigrants. They now take modest amounts of political refugees, but for quite some time, the only people Canada took in either had to have a professional skill the country was in need of, or savings of at least $10k CAD in the bank (aka white collar workers). That's a far cry from the typical American immigrant, who have traditionally been highly skewed to the poor, low-skilled and often illiterate.

Anyhow... where in CA? Have lived all over the state for the last 15+ years as a transplant myself. I say bring our own job, and a house... and water jk lol. But easily the best place(s) I have lived.
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Post#55 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:49 pm

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One other one... got mocked for not speaking a second language, which is fair enough. My excuse was that living on Boston, there really wasn't a logical 2nd language to learn in the same way Canadians all learn French. They said, what about Spanish? Which was also fair enough. Told them that there really weren't that many Mexicans in Boston growing up, and that Vancouver was actually closer to Mexico than Boston. We had to pull out a globe, but got eeeeem lol.



Lol. That's insane. I was born and raised in Canada, and although they do teach French in schools, there's no requirement that we continue to learn French as it is an elective. I stopped taking French class in high school, and I can barely count to 100 in French, never mind being able to engage in a conversation.

And FWIW, there's no real advantage of being able to speak French anymore here (unless of course you live in the province of Quebec or in Ottawa). I mean, sure, it's easier to get a job with the federal government, but as of last week, all of my bilingual colleagues were advised that they were having their bilingual bonuses taken away (it's only $800/year).
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Post#56 » by fallguy » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:59 pm

I owe a longer response to your last post Cave, but one of my fave things about Parisians is how wonderfully pompous and secure they are in their own superiority. Although whenever I'm in Paris I look around and kinda think they're right.
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Re: "A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ Sports Illustrated (aka. Taking a Knee) 

Post#57 » by fallguy » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:00 pm

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One other one... got mocked for not speaking a second language, which is fair enough. My excuse was that living on Boston, there really wasn't a logical 2nd language to learn in the same way Canadians all learn French. They said, what about Spanish? Which was also fair enough. Told them that there really weren't that many Mexicans in Boston growing up, and that Vancouver was actually closer to Mexico than Boston. We had to pull out a globe, but got eeeeem lol.



Lol. That's insane. I was born and raised in Canada, and although they do teach French in schools, there's no requirement that we continue to learn French as it is an elective. I stopped taking French class in high school, and I can barely count to 100 in French, never mind being able to engage in a conversation.

And FWIW, there's no real advantage of being able to speak French anymore here (unless of course you live in the province of Quebec or in Ottawa). I mean, sure, it's easier to get a job with the federal government, but as of last week, all of my bilingual colleagues were advised that they were having their bilingual bonuses taken away (it's only $800/year).


I feel like an idiot I didn't stick with French beyond about age 14. Now I want to learn it and Spanish which seems like a whole thing to take on at this age.
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Re: "A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ Sports Illustrated (aka. Taking a Knee) 

Post#58 » by Captain_Caveman » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:19 pm

fallguy wrote:I owe a longer response to your last post Cave, but one of my fave things about Parisians is how wonderfully pompous and secure they are in their own superiority. Although whenever I'm in Paris I look around and kinda think they're right.


She guaranteed me that Trump would win months ahead of time, much to my protestation. Basically said I was missing the whole thing and just needed to look at Brexit (she was a PhD student in the UK).
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Re: "A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ Sports Illustrated (aka. Taking a Knee) 

Post#59 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:20 pm

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As to Canada, a major difference in many of the differences IMO is that you guys cherrypick your immigrants. They now take modest amounts of political refugees, but for quite some time, the only people Canada took in either had to have a professional skill the country was in need of, or savings of at least $10k CAD in the bank (aka white collar workers). That's a far cry from the typical American immigrant, who have traditionally been highly skewed to the poor, low-skilled and often illiterate.


Yeah.....I actually work in Immigration, so when Trump revealed his new immigration plan, I kind of shrugged my shoulders and said to myself, "Why is everyone going crazy over this? Canada has been doing this for years."
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Re: "A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ Sports Illustrated (aka. Taking a Knee) 

Post#60 » by Captain_Caveman » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:32 pm

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As to Canada, a major difference in many of the differences IMO is that you guys cherrypick your immigrants. They now take modest amounts of political refugees, but for quite some time, the only people Canada took in either had to have a professional skill the country was in need of, or savings of at least $10k CAD in the bank (aka white collar workers). That's a far cry from the typical American immigrant, who have traditionally been highly skewed to the poor, low-skilled and often illiterate.


Yeah.....I actually work in Immigration, so when Trump revealed his new immigration plan, I kind of shrugged my shoulders and said to myself, "Why is everyone going crazy over this? Canada has been doing this for years."


I do like that it is a relatively diverse place, at least in the cities. But it's a sanitized version compared to the US, IMO.

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