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Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold?

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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#41 » by shackles10 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:27 pm

SeizeCoup wrote:As many have mentioned, I believe Rozier is Kyrie"s apprentice.

This is good.


All we need is Terry to tell a fan to suck something to confirm this
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#42 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:43 pm

Terry is trade bait next year if Smart is still on the roster. I like him a lot as a player, but I don't think he's going to settle being the 4th guard on any team. He's just too good. I can see a team paying him more than he's worth.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#43 » by ddb » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:16 pm

To me, Rozier is going to be a very good NBA player for many years. He will continue to get better. But I don't think he is full time starter on a good team material. He is more of a combo guard, an energy guard. I think he could get better and get to a point where he has mastered his current role.
Whether he is a long term Celtic will ultimately come down to if Rozier will accept being a 2nd unit star.

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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#44 » by Edug27 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:46 am

ddb wrote:To me, Rozier is going to be a very good NBA player for many years. He will continue to get better. But I don't think he is full time starter on a good team material. He is more of a combo guard, an energy guard. I think he could get better and get to a point where he has mastered his current role.
Whether he is a long term Celtic will ultimately come down to if Rozier will accept being a 2nd unit star.

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He’s a Barbosa kind of player.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#45 » by ddb » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:22 pm

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ddb wrote:To me, Rozier is going to be a very good NBA player for many years. He will continue to get better. But I don't think he is full time starter on a good team material. He is more of a combo guard, an energy guard. I think he could get better and get to a point where he has mastered his current role.
Whether he is a long term Celtic will ultimately come down to if Rozier will accept being a 2nd unit star.

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He’s a Barbosa kind of player.


in terms of his role, yes. But let's not forget how good of a scorer Barbosa was. During his prime he averaged 13, 14.5, 18, 15.5 per game during a 4 year stretch.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#46 » by Edug27 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:23 pm

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ddb wrote:To me, Rozier is going to be a very good NBA player for many years. He will continue to get better. But I don't think he is full time starter on a good team material. He is more of a combo guard, an energy guard. I think he could get better and get to a point where he has mastered his current role.
Whether he is a long term Celtic will ultimately come down to if Rozier will accept being a 2nd unit star.

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He’s a Barbosa kind of player.


in terms of his role, yes. But let's not forget how good of a scorer Barbosa was. During his prime he averaged 13, 14.5, 18, 15.5 per game during a 4 year stretch.


His best years were in the DAntoni-Nash system... Rozier would do work in that system.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#47 » by 24istheLAW » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:06 pm

Edug27 wrote:
ddb wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
He’s a Barbosa kind of player.


in terms of his role, yes. But let's not forget how good of a scorer Barbosa was. During his prime he averaged 13, 14.5, 18, 15.5 per game during a 4 year stretch.


His best years were in the DAntoni-Nash system... Rozier would do work in that system.


Rozier doesn't finish well enough to turn that end-to-end speed into a weapon like Barbosa did.

I like Terry as a 4th guard. He brings energy to the game at both ends of the floor and he can play both guard spots. I don't think he'll ever be skilled enough to be a classic 6th man, but he's versatile and tenacious which are fitting traits for a bench player.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#48 » by Jaqua92 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:00 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Terry is trade bait next year if Smart is still on the roster. I like him a lot as a player, but I don't think he's going to settle being the 4th guard on any team. He's just too good. I can see a team paying him more than he's worth.


I'd rather Terry than Smart stay in Boston.

Terry gets traded and we will see him as a starting guard on an okay team averaging 16ppg one year. When he ages, he will be a VERY solid bench piece.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#49 » by cloverleaf » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:44 pm

24istheLAW wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
ddb wrote:
in terms of his role, yes. But let's not forget how good of a scorer Barbosa was. During his prime he averaged 13, 14.5, 18, 15.5 per game during a 4 year stretch.


His best years were in the DAntoni-Nash system... Rozier would do work in that system.


Rozier doesn't finish well enough to turn that end-to-end speed into a weapon like Barbosa did.

I like Terry as a 4th guard. He brings energy to the game at both ends of the floor and he can play both guard spots. I don't think he'll ever be skilled enough to be a classic 6th man, but he's versatile and tenacious which are fitting traits for a bench player.


On media day in 2016 celtics.com asked Danny if he thought Terry was ready to be a 4th guard on a playoffs team--and Danny said Terry is already better than that--and it is a matter of getting an opportunity.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#50 » by Parliament10 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:11 pm

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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#51 » by cloverleaf » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:06 am

Edug27 wrote:
ddb wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
He’s a Barbosa kind of player.


in terms of his role, yes. But let's not forget how good of a scorer Barbosa was. During his prime he averaged 13, 14.5, 18, 15.5 per game during a 4 year stretch.


His best years were in the DAntoni-Nash system... Rozier would do work in that system.


TRo a better defender and rebounder, Barbosa a better shooter and assists man.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#52 » by Parliament10 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:51 am

ddb wrote:To me, Rozier is going to be a very good NBA player for many years. He will continue to get better. But I don't think he is full time starter on a good team material. He is more of a combo guard, an energy guard. I think he could get better and get to a point where he has mastered his current role.
Whether he is a long term Celtic will ultimately come down to if Rozier will accept being a 2nd unit star.

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I think that this is very succinct.
Rozier has proven that he's a Good 6th-Man type.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#53 » by cloverleaf » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:01 am

Parliament10 wrote:
ddb wrote:To me, Rozier is going to be a very good NBA player for many years. He will continue to get better. But I don't think he is full time starter on a good team material. He is more of a combo guard, an energy guard. I think he could get better and get to a point where he has mastered his current role.
Whether he is a long term Celtic will ultimately come down to if Rozier will accept being a 2nd unit star.

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I think that this is very succinct.
Rozier has proven that he's a Good 6th-Man type.


He could well be the consistent backup to Kyrie they need in order to be able to be competitive if Kyrie ever goes down. It is because of his versatility that he should be able to get starter minutes in that role, and thus the C's able to end up with a higher caliber of Kyrie insurance than they could and afford and carry otherwise.

IMO he should have had Smart minutes both this year and last. And yes, if Smart is on the team next year it could be a challenge to get minutes for them all unless, say, Brown has gone as part of a trade for a top-tier big.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#54 » by philing00 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:40 pm

Guy always keeps the ball on pick and roll even when our big is open and heading towards the basket. Only passes the ball when he is not open after a few iso moves and needs to be bailed out. If he wasn’t shooting well, he’d be the first to lose his spot.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#55 » by ddb » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:02 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
ddb wrote:To me, Rozier is going to be a very good NBA player for many years. He will continue to get better. But I don't think he is full time starter on a good team material. He is more of a combo guard, an energy guard. I think he could get better and get to a point where he has mastered his current role.
Whether he is a long term Celtic will ultimately come down to if Rozier will accept being a 2nd unit star.

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I think that this is very succinct.
Rozier has proven that he's a Good 6th-Man type.


well right now I'd like to see Rozier start because he's playing great and the team is playing lousy. Kyrie-Rozier-Brown-Horford-Baynes
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#56 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:24 pm

The things he's good at to start the season, he's still good at -- rebounding, pushing the pace, taking care of the ball.

The things he's bad at to start the season, he's still bad at -- vision/awareness, decision-making in the half court, overdribbling, PnR defense.

His shot is still hot/cold as always. His handle is tighter but useless if he keeps dribbling aimlessly. His crossover dribble pullup has been a weapon though. His finishing has improved a bit.

Scary Terry needs to show up more. We need more consistency from our role players whether they get the start or not. Hard to do, but with just one reliable scorer, the rest has to step up.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#57 » by Gurton Buster » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:03 pm

If he could actually run the pick and roll he could be a starting point guard in the league.


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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#58 » by ric munchn » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:39 pm

philing00 wrote:Guy always keeps the ball on pick and roll even when our big is open and heading towards the basket. Only passes the ball when he is not open after a few iso moves and needs to be bailed out. If he wasn’t shooting well, he’d be the first to lose his spot.


I think that's in a players DNA and harder to improve than most other basketball skills. Terry has the tunnel vision for sure.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#59 » by grindtime22 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:03 pm

Terry doesn't have floor vision. Anytime he sees the right pass on the PNR it is a pleasant surprise. I do think he is getting better at handling within the PNR. He has slowly started to keep his original defender on his hip or behind him. I have never really noticed him doing that. He has also added some new Kyrie moves and finishes that have improved his game.

He has a long way to go. He often looks like a million bucks even when his performance doesn't really match it.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#60 » by Marvel » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:48 am

24istheLAW wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
ddb wrote:
in terms of his role, yes. But let's not forget how good of a scorer Barbosa was. During his prime he averaged 13, 14.5, 18, 15.5 per game during a 4 year stretch.


His best years were in the DAntoni-Nash system... Rozier would do work in that system.


Rozier doesn't finish well enough to turn that end-to-end speed into a weapon like Barbosa did.

I like Terry as a 4th guard. He brings energy to the game at both ends of the floor and he can play both guard spots. I don't think he'll ever be skilled enough to be a classic 6th man, but he's versatile and tenacious which are fitting traits for a bench player.

Yeah, dude sucks on layups, floaters. If he can improve on that and his court vision/passing ability he'd be a potent 6th man off our bench.

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