Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019

[truth18]

Do we have to ask? Or is it self motivated? That’s the key to me. He seems to try hard to remember and do what he’s told out there, but none of it seems instinctive. Other than chasing blocks. He just seems so lost out there on both ends. Obviously, that doesn’t improve until he gets PT, but I feel he has a long way to go still. Would love to see him get there, though.

I mean.... we have players that refuse to do rehab or strength and conditioning? Which is something that is widespread around the league.

He wants to train, get shots up, watch film, he wants to better himself.... it's asked of but he does do more than what's asked.

Is that first part really a thing? I would have assumed that was a no brainer. How can that happen? Damn.

Nah, sorry Vipe. Burnt.

On topic: glad to hear that the Aggie is doing his best. Not an Aggie myself but I have direct connections to the school and have been rooting for him hard since the draft.

[zoyathedestroya]

I mean.... we have players that refuse to do rehab or strength and conditioning? Which is something that is widespread around the league.

He wants to train, get shots up, watch film, he wants to better himself.... it's asked of but he does do more than what's asked.

Is that first part really a thing? I would have assumed that was a no brainer. How can that happen? Damn.

Nah, sorry Vipe. Burnt.

On topic: glad to hear that the Aggie is doing his best. Not an Aggie myself but I have direct connections to the school and have been rooting for him hard since the draft.

You just wouldn't be caught dead calling him Timelord? Haha.

[ViperGTS]

I mean.... we have players that refuse to do rehab or strength and conditioning? Which is something that is widespread around the league.

He wants to train, get shots up, watch film, he wants to better himself.... it's asked of but he does do more than what's asked.

Is that first part really a thing? I would have assumed that was a no brainer. How can that happen? Damn.

Nah, sorry Vipe. Burnt.

On topic: glad to hear that the Aggie is doing his best. Not an Aggie myself but I have direct connections to the school and have been rooting for him hard since the draft.

Huh?

[truth18]

Is that first part really a thing? I would have assumed that was a no brainer. How can that happen? Damn.

Nah, sorry Vipe. Burnt.

On topic: glad to hear that the Aggie is doing his best. Not an Aggie myself but I have direct connections to the school and have been rooting for him hard since the draft.

You just wouldn't be caught dead calling him Timelord? Haha.

Never, but I have some awful takes, Zoya.

Won't catch me laughing at Janos either fwiw.

It's really good to see you around more again btw. You have been making some excellent posts about Kyrie/the team this past year. Hope you stick around for a bit, it should be a hell of a general offseason so excited for the biggest changes in the NBA in years even if we don't end up involved with the biggest pieces/AD.

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

Should really remove the stupid players from the roster.



So it is good that Horford will be on the team next season.




The only efficient offensive players on the team in 2018-19:

Robert Williams, Daniel Theis, Al Horford, Brad Wanamaker and Kyrie Irving.



The worst were Guerschon Yabusele, Semi Ojeleye and the very worst Terry Rozier.

You can't keep them around. The Dunce Bear does have a guaranteed year of salary. Semi should try the NFL? Rozier, should have been traded a long time ago, and now he is either overpaid and terrible or gone for nothing in return, and nothing is the better choice.


Should replace all assistant coaches. The coach, Brad, has 12 months to perform or can get out.


A coin-flip offseason, it could sink the team, or could fix all the problems. Big changes are needed, front office and frontcourt, and backcourt too.



By PER, you need to keep Kyrie Irving, Al Horford, Robert Williams, Daniel Theis, Gordon Hayward and Jayson Tatum.

Or, try to salvage something if they leave. Joe Harris? Josh Hart? Nothing to salvage, although Ben Wallace and that Clippers' haul for Paul show it can be done.

Mario Hezonja? Not exactly a position of need. Kadeem Allen? No, tried that before. No, that team is all junk. If someone chooses to go there, it will be their first rounder, two max players, Mitchell Robinson and the MLE signing as the starters, with no bench.



Plenty of addition by subtraction to do.

Everyone plays better with more, and consistent, minutes. Smart or Brown have to go. Brown is the worst Celtic for Offensive Rating. Smart used to be worse than Brown.



Goodbye to two thirds of the roster. They don't want to be here, and they won't be missed. The shots they would take, they certainly missed.


It's a basketball team, might make sense to have a 7-footer on it.

[Joshyjess]

I see this off-season unfolding in two possible ways (pretty much both based on Kyries "decision".)

1 - Kyrie stays. If Irving decides to sign for the Max with Boston that will mean at least 3 of our other "ball-needy" players will have to go. There's no way that the C's will try to repeat this season's fiasco of trying to get enough shots for everyone.
This option also has two possible sub-options. We get another max player or we don't get another max player.
If we don't get another max player, and keep Kryie (I don't see this as a very feasible option, but it is an option), then I see Morris, Brown and Terry all gone next season. That would leave Irving, Hayward, and Tatum as the three ball needy players sharing most of the shots. Smart and Horford don't seem to "need" the ball as much.
If we get another max player alongside Kryie, I think that will mean that either Hayward or Tatum is gone (along with Morris and Terry - possibly Brown too). Leaving Irving, New max player, Tatum / Haywrd, Smart and Horford as the starters - plenty of shots available for both Irving and new player. Our bench will be weaker, but we can find other "role" players to fill the bench.

2. Kyrie goes. If Irving leaves (which I think is the more likely scenario), that will mean most likely keeping most of the rest of the core in place. I still think Morris will be gone (he'll get an offer the C's can't match), and possibly Terry as well (again, big offer from a team looking for a PG). That will leave Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Horford and Smart as the primaries. I don't think this is a team that can win the finals (missing that "go-to guy"), but it is a good building block. In this option (assuming Boston doesn't sign a big name), we will either see the young guys take some really big steps towards improving their games, or the C's will find themselves stuck in the good-but-not-great zone for the next few years.

This offseason is going to be really interesting, and waiting for Kryie to make his decision is the cornestone of everything else that happens. Love or hate the guy, he is the cog of what happens this summer (unless AD or KD decide to come to Boston, which of course would then become the main "thing" - Kyrie's decision would still be big, but not as huge as it will otherwise).

[ballup]

We need to develop Williams. Can't draft guys with his physical tools and not give him a legit shot.

He hasn't put a foot wrong since his drafting debacles.

Play the guy and see what you have.

You don't give out minutes to guys who don't understand basic NBA pick and roll defense. Bob has flashes of useful tools and that will keep him around.


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[Leprechaun18]

I think that KI is gone to NY, but I still think this team can contend next season. Like others I see the need to reduce Al Horfords mins, which means that RW3 has to step up next season. I am hopeful in that area. I also predict MM will get an offer that we cannot match and we lose him. I think some teams maybe hesitant to spend big bucks on TR and DA matches any offer. Thus we get TR for about 15 per. DA may still attempt to trade for AD, but dont see him offering a ransom for one year.

[Curmudgeon]

Ainge will do his best to overpay a selfish Kyrie and then give away the farm for one year of AD. It's not what I would do-- or what Jerry West would do. West couldn't wait to get rid of his three overpaid stars on the Clippers and build a real team, after they took the GM duties away from Doc Rivers.

[Saint Lazarus]

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don't care for the comments regarding his free agency, but what he said about kyrie and the practices was quite interesting

[Edug27]

Ainge will do his best to overpay a selfish Kyrie and then give away the farm for one year of AD. It's not what I would do-- or what Jerry West would do. West couldn't wait to get rid of his three overpaid stars on the Clippers and build a real team, after they took the GM duties away from Doc Rivers.

Though it was reported the Clips tried trading for Kyrie this season......

[Edug27]

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don't care for the comments regarding his free agency, but what he said about kyrie and the practices was quite interesting

I'm slowly leaning on the side of #TeamRozier

[chrisab123]

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don't care for the comments regarding his free agency, but what he said about kyrie and the practices was quite interesting

I'm slowly leaning on the side of #TeamRozier

Seems like hes taking some digs at Stevens. Obviously Danny messed up trying to make it work with both Rozier and Kyrie. One had to go before the season started.

[MagicBagley18]

Ainge will do his best to overpay a selfish Kyrie and then give away the farm for one year of AD. It's not what I would do-- or what Jerry West would do. West couldn't wait to get rid of his three overpaid stars on the Clippers and build a real team, after they took the GM duties away from Doc Rivers.

Though it was reported the Clips tried trading for Kyrie this season......

And also heavily rumored to try for AD also

[Afam]

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Keeping on blaming kyrie like everything his fault. In a way i wouldn't blame kyrie if he left. Everyone is to blame the players, coaches but let us put all on kyrie.

I wouldn't even want the fans support if i were an athlete. One minute they are rooting for you, and the next they are badmouthing you, talking bad about you and want to shipped out of town. Human beings are fickle. People keeping forgetting about Paul Pierce, David Price. Even KG. They didn't also say or do the right things, but they turned their careers around and won a championship. Paul was labeled a bad teammate and what he did off the court, heck he even requested to be traded, but look at his career now. Let us not talk about what KG did, i am not judging him because no one is perfect but if Kyrie did that. Oh boy.

[UNCBlue012]

I feel like Kyrie was the problem and yet Kyrie also wasn't the problem. This is a really weird situation and I'm unsure how to feel. It's obvious these guys, Rozier especially, have no idea how to adjust mid-game. Whether that's on them or Stevens remains to be seen. Imagine how they'll feel if Kyrie AND AD are there. lolol

[Afam]

Remember what Kg did to the coaches with the food. Exactly.

[chrisab123]

Hey well at least Kyrie leaving keeps the Celtics with an Elite PG. Just ask Scary Terry Rozier he'll tell you all about it.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Smh. I think, for the first time in his career, Ainge's fondness of a player off the court blinded him from making the right decision. We could have had a pick for Rozier. What a shame. Rozier is so pissed off about the situation, I don't think he wants to stick around even if Kyrie does leave. Ainge tried to have his cake and eat it too, and it might backfire in the very worst way.

[chrisab123]

Smh. I think, for the first time in his career, Ainge's fondness of a player off the court blinded him from making the right decision. We could have had a pick for Rozier. What a shame. Rozier is so pissed off about the situation, I don't think he wants to stick around even if Kyrie does leave. Ainge tried to have his cake and eat it too, and it might backfire in the very worst way.

Already did. Celtics aren't playing tonight.